Plane tickets and VIP vacation and treatment in Hawaii?
Hopefully numbers speak on their own.
Oh, that worked too well. Apparently, the hot and volcanic nature of Hawaii had a pretty big effect on how those AMD card were perceived.
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You would think that if we all accepted that, then would be no need to deny it.Originally Posted by tential
If Nvidia tells you it's worth it it's worth it. That's what it comes down to and why people will defend it tooth and nail. Also because many people intend to buy it and don't want to believe their purchase is in anyway bad.
Yeah this is the truth, I think most people realize it too.
Simply say, only Nvidia for me and that's final.
Agreed, although I would say harder.
That's why when HARDOCP recently made the case for presenting reviews without FPS or frametime data, it worried many.
It's not remotely hard to manipulate data. Those who say so must be not understand how to do math at all. Doing a long or short benchrun, Picking the complexity of the area, open or closed bench, driver version (I've seen reviews not on the latest drivers), not updating reviews, the manner in which you update(new article vs update), reference vs aib models, I mean were just getting started.
This is fine. Wait for custom cards with coolers that can unleash the chips full potential though. And they might be cheaper to boot?
I just lol'd!
Kyle actually thinks people would click to read his opinion. Reality is without graphs readership would drop 90%. And that's not just [H] either.
If they just gave final figures then yes, but I think most sites publish the testing parameters.At least we can then question the results if they seem outlandish.
It's not as if "these are the results and we won't say how we got them" applies.
GTX680 used same cooler as GTX980.But without fancy silver shroud.
GTX770 used Vapor chamber.Same as 1080
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_770/5.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review/8
http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-video-card-review_1881/3
ShintaiDK I think you should edit your statement because Head just showed you are spreading FUD with it. Why make statements that are false? What is your motive? You are on the internet, you can fact check yourself at any time just like Head did.
It's so annoying to see people defend a crappy cooler Nvidia made just because Nvidia said "hey its good!".
Seriously?
Amd is idiotic because all they had to do was tell people Hawaii used premium parts for the cooler and apparently people would eat it up.
I demand top end cooling for High end cards. If you are no o the quality of a high end water cooled card or sapphires tri x fury card, then dont release it. Dead serious, you're wasting everyone's time(obviously people do buy inferior products/coolers but they shouldn't).
I expect nothing less than coolers better than the fury x for top end cards from now on, especially from Nvidia. That 100 extra for that cooler is a joke.
Seriously?
Amd is idiotic because all they had to do was tell people Hawaii used premium parts for the cooler and apparently people would eat it up.
I demand top end cooling for High end cards. If you are no o the quality of a high end water cooled card or sapphires tri x fury card, then dont release it. Dead serious, you're wasting everyone's time(obviously people do buy inferior products/coolers but they shouldn't).
I expect nothing less than coolers better than the fury x for top end cards from now on, especially from Nvidia. That 100 extra for that cooler is a joke.
ShintaiDK
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It isn't the same cooler. Did you check your link?
Also I own both a GTX680 and a GTX980.
See above. or see this:
GTX680
GTX980
ShintaiDK
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Why dont you show us a blower type cooler that is much better then?
If you have to stick with coolers that dump all the heat inside the case or water cooled solutions. Then you already lost customers.
ShintaiDK
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If you want some exact number you would have to ask Nvidia and AMD. But even if we say ~10% only, you lose something like 100K+ card sales.
AMD tried a different approach to blowers with the water cooled Fury X. No success tho.
For MiniITX owners like myself, there is really only blower types in most cases. Unless you wish to do sacrifices to use a non blower type.
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But why would those sales be lost? Those 10% can just buy a blower card from one of their AiB partners. I'm sure they will come up with something better suited for SFF than the reference as well.
This really doesn't justify the lacklustre cooler on their expertly crafted, premium priced FE.
This really doesn't justify the lacklustre cooler on their expertly crafted, premium priced FE.
ShintaiDK
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Is it a bad cooler? I have been happy for my blower type coolers.
Depending on AIBs may not be a good idea. How many Fury cards with blowers have you seen for example? How many "fixed" Hawaii cards with blowers have you seen?
Where did I call it a bad cooler again? The point of comparing 180W 1080 with 250W cards also eludes me.
The question you fail to answer again and again is whether the performance of this particular cooler is really worth all the PR hubbub and the $100 premium. Do you consider it a good thing you get to pay $100 extra if you want a blower card now?
Even the staunchest Nvidia supporter should be able to acknowledge this whole FE thing has turned into a PR misfire at the least.
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Agreed. Same transistor count, smaller bus width, 310 mm² die size and a TDP of 180 W kind of give away the fact that the GTX 1080 is not a "big" card. Personally I don't see the benefit of raising prices by 100 and 200 $ in an already shrinking discrete graphics market, especially given the fact that these are very short lived components.
Naming and pricing their big and half-big chips the same way is definitely deceptive. It's a bit dirty pricing the 1080 like Nvidia's next big thing, even though it clearly isn't.
Dynamic pricing certainly lines up better with manufacturing cost and product cycles, but it destroys a perception of lasting value and it may lead less short sighted people to delay their purchase instead of camping out in front of stores or F5'ing pre-order pages.
Here you go:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-review-benchmark,3207-2.html
Although this one has the drawback of being 2.5 slots
Looks like Polaris reference cards will have blowers. I'll wager anything that they are better performing than what's on the 1080. Of course people will make excuses that it's a lower TDP product, etc... But AMD won't make the mistake of using an under performing cooler again.
It's looking like the faithful though, and the mainstream press, are going to give nVidia a bye on this.
ShintaiDK
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So it's a good cooler when we put 15 restraints, limitations, and restrictions on it. Yea... no.
The 1080 cooler is best in class.*
*class only applies to 1080 FE cooler.
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