[Various] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Review Thread

[maddie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNCfn4y8dBw

nvidia guys being questioned by the press on FE pricing. fun stuff.

I actually felt embarrassed for the guys explaining. Poor guys, trying to excuse contradictions.

If one of the reasons for the higher price is long term availability and implied greater sales, would that not have lower costs due to mass production effects?

To argue otherwise, is to insult buyers.

 

[Arachnotronic]

If one of the reasons for the higher price is long term availability and implied greater sales, would that not have lower costs due to mass production effects?

Not necessarily.

 

[coercitiv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNCfn4y8dBw

nvidia guys being questioned by the press on FE pricing. fun stuff.

Oh boy... so much embarrassment in just a few minutes.

 

[YBS1]

And GTX1080Ti will be 50-60% faster than TITAN X and will be priced 27% higher at $1300. Why shouldn't ???

Then GTX 2080 will be 20-30% faster than GTX 1080Ti at 27-30% higher MSRP at $1690.

Do you want me to continue ???

I know right? I'd swear some of these people must be viral marketers.

According to these jokers using this line of thinking we should already be up to about $14,000 dollar top end cards.

 

[maddie]

Oh boy... so much embarrassment in just a few minutes.

Time 4:16

Q:
What premium materials?

A:
Ahh, it's the full metal shroud, it's an aluminium shroud with the backplate on it, these are, these are, ahh, it's a higher quality, it's a high quality build, we use premium materials.

 

[MagickMan]

"It's a $100 money-grab for people who are too damned impatient to wait 2 more weeks. Next!"

 

[SteveGrabowski]

That's pretty disappointing on Gamers Nexus reviews where they show massive throttling of their 1080 after about 10 minutes of usage. So they said the Founders Edition card was great for benchmarking, but for extended periods of gaming the throttling was really noticeable.

 

[x3sphere]

That's pretty disappointing on Gamers Nexus reviews where they show massive throttling of their 1080 after about 10 minutes of usage. So they said the Founders Edition card was great for benchmarking, but for extended periods of gaming the throttling was really noticeable.

Reminds me of 290/290X launch, but of course Nvidia got nowhere near the same amount of criticism as AMD did for this.

I guess if custom cards hit in a few weeks it won't be too bad, though. With the R9 290 the wait for custom variants was long, almost 3 months.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I know right? I'd swear some of these people must be viral marketers.

According to these jokers using this line of thinking we should already be up to about $14,000 dollar top end cards.

$14,000 wouldn't be affordable. The market has shown that high end cards will sell OK at $999 or less, so there's your realistic pricing ceiling for the highest end GPUs.

 

[Arachnotronic]

That's pretty disappointing on Gamers Nexus reviews where they show massive throttling of their 1080 after about 10 minutes of usage. So they said the Founders Edition card was great for benchmarking, but for extended periods of gaming the throttling was really noticeable.

Agreed, 1080 is just begging for aftermarket cooling. The Founders Edition cooler is great for stock speeds, but beyond that people are going to want a beefier cooler for sure.

This is a golden opportunity for the AIB vendors to put out differentiated products.

 

[Ranulf]

I actually felt embarrassed for the guys explaining. Poor guys, trying to excuse contradictions.

If one of the reasons for the higher price is long term availability and implied greater sales, would that not have lower costs due to mass production effects?

To argue otherwise, is to insult buyers.

I stopped just a minute or so after they it over to the marketing guy where he talks about the name change. Its all talk about feelings, its not just a reference design, all the hard work that went into it by the engineering team so they wanted a name that reflected that effort or something. Its all about the feelings man. FeeFees for the FE card.

 

[iiiankiii]

$14,000 wouldn't be affordable. The market has shown that high end cards will sell OK at $999 or less, so there's your realistic pricing ceiling for the highest end GPUs.

I think the Titan series is a just a marketing ploy to sell the TI version at higher prices while giving off a perception of "good value" when compared to the Titan series. It worked.

 

[brandonmatic]

Agreed, 1080 is just begging for aftermarket cooling. The Founders Edition cooler is great for stock speeds, but beyond that people are going to want a beefier cooler for sure.

I'm not so sure that the FE is great for stock speeds if the claims of throttling after the card warms up are right. The design generally works, but it's definitely not ideal.

 

[sirmo]

Reminds me of 290/290X launch, but of course Nvidia got nowhere near the same amount of criticism as AMD did for this.

Even though AMD didn't want $100 extra for "Premium Materials" and "Craftsmanship" of the FE. What a joke.

 

[Mopetar]

I'm not so sure that the FE is great for stock speeds if the claims of throttling after the card warms up are right. The design generally works, but it's definitely not ideal.

I thought it was only throttling due to a heavy OC that the stock cooler eventually couldn't keep up with unless the fan speeds were maxed.

The only thing bad about the FE cards (compared to any other reference card) is being asked to fork over an extra $100 for something that's not going to be as good as the third party cards with better coolers.

 

[crisium]

The FE Cooler throttles even from stock boost speeds after time. It is not a great cooler for stock speeds.

 

[Arachnotronic]

The FE Cooler throttles even from stock boost speeds after time. It is not a great cooler for stock speeds.

At what fan setting?

 

[tential]

$14,000 wouldn't be affordable. The market has shown that high end cards will sell OK at $999 or less, so there's your realistic pricing ceiling for the highest end GPUs.

What data do you have to back that up that $14,000 wouldn't be affordable?

I could easily see Nvidia auctioning off GPUs one day and ebay auctions hitting that high. Especially if they tapered it off. Imagine getting a GTX 1080 on 5/1/2016? Nvidia could auction off a couple of GPUs a week as they're done and make a killing....

You don't know if people will buy it until you price it there - Nvidia (Not a direct Nvidia quote, but it should be).

 

[.vodka]

The FE Cooler throttles even from stock boost speeds after time. It is not a great cooler for stock speeds.

That's right. Blowers aren't effective as the load approaches 200w and you're also trying to keep noise levels down.

We've all seen how GM204 did just fine on the blower while GM200 throttled like crazy. GP104 on the other hand behaves more like an overclocked GM204 (it's rated for "180w" vs GM204's "165w"), and the blower struggles.

If you want the blower to keep up, you have to drive fan speeds up too. Hello 290 blower of hell edition. It wouldn't surprise me if the 67°C load temperatures nV showed in the launch event had the blower running at 100%

The 1080 scam edition is actually a pretty poor value for the money. The same reference PCB with its crippled VRM section is better off with a decent open air cooler that can actually handle the GPU's thermal load. Proper PCBs with beefed up VRMs ready for >2.1GHz plus proper cooling are what one should aim to buy once they're available... if you're going to pay $600-700 for a mid range chip.

 

[Arachnotronic]

What data do you have to back that up that $14,000 wouldn't be affordable?

Um, what? Maybe if you are making $750K-$1M+/year then $14K for a dGPU is fine, but for us peasants stuck in the realm of "normal" incomes, $14K is ludicrous.

I could easily see Nvidia auctioning off GPUs one day and ebay auctions hitting that high. Especially if they tapered it off. Imagine getting a GTX 1080 on 5/1/2016? Nvidia could auction off a couple of GPUs a week as they're done and make a killing....

You don't know if people will buy it until you price it there - Nvidia (Not a direct Nvidia quote, but it should be).

Not sure if serious.

 

[Arachnotronic]

If you want the blower to keep up, you have to drive fan speeds up too. Hello 290 blower of hell edition. It wouldn't surprise me if the 67°C load temperatures nV showed in the launch event had the blower running at 100%

I think NVIDIA's Tom Petersen confirmed this in the PCPer webcast.

The 1080 scam edition is actually a pretty poor value for the money. The same reference PCB with its crippled VRM section is better off with a decent open air cooler that can actually handle the GPU's thermal load. Proper PCBs with beefed up VRMs ready for >2.1GHz plus proper cooling are what one should aim to buy once they're available... if you're going to pay $600-700 for a mid range chip.

A GPU that's the fastest thing on the planet isn't mid-range.

 

[.vodka]

It is the fastest out there right now, yet it still is mid range silicon you're buying. nV's marketing would like you to believe otherwise and their balance sheet shows people buy into their BS.

If you usually buy nV it's wiser to align your upgrading habits to the big chip in each generation, at least since Kepler changed the rules and took the x60 card up to x80 denomination and the big chip up to Titan/Ti range. Then you can buy the mid range chip for its real price, not inflated to flagship price it's commanding right now and will until Big Pascal in whatever shape or form comes to the gaming market.


GK104 -> GM204 -> GP104

GK110 -> GM200 -> GP100/"102"


Of course if you don't care about getting the most out of your money, no one's stopping anyone from upgrading to each new card as it comes out.

 

[Arachnotronic]

It is the fastest out there right now, yet it still is mid range silicon you're buying. nV's marketing would like you to believe otherwise and their balance sheet shows people buy into their BS.

If you usually buy nV it's wiser to align your upgrading habits to the big chip in each generation, at least since Kepler changed the rules and took the x60 card up to x80 denomination and the big chip up to Titan/Ti range.


GK104 -> GM204 -> GP104

GK110 -> GM200 -> GP100/"102"

You do realize that the reason NVIDIA puts out the GP104 parts first is that the "big" chips aren't ready until a good while later? Don't you think that if GP102 were ready to ship now, NVIDIA would love to have the 1080 Ti/Titan variant out now to grab even more money from customers?

The GP104 is the best that NVIDIA can release now, so calling it "mid-range" is just silly.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

You do realize that the reason NVIDIA puts out the GP104 parts first is that the "big" chips aren't ready until a good while later? Don't you think that if GP102 were ready to ship now, NVIDIA would love to have the 1080 Ti/Titan variant out now to grab even more money from customers?

The GP104 is the best that NVIDIA can release now, so calling it "mid-range" is just silly.

Well, this way some people might double dip. Doesn't work the other way around.

 

[Maverick177]

Mid means there is at least 1 better and at least 1 worse. GP104 is a mid range chip. Period.