[Various] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Review Thread

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Arachnotronic

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sirmo said:
There is nothing major in 1080 manufacturing costs which warrants a higher cost than say 980, and even 980 had large profit margins.
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You mean the reference 980 that they quickly took out of production? I wonder why they did that. Could it perhaps be that the cooler is quite expensive to build and keeping it in the market for long would actually be a financial burden?

Naw, it has to be that NVIDIA is lying. :rolleyes:
 
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Arachnotronic said:
You mean the reference 980 that they quickly took out of production? I wonder why they did that. Could it perhaps be that the cooler is quite expensive to build and keeping it in the market for long would actually be a financial burden?

Naw, it has to be that NVIDIA is lying. :rolleyes:
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Meh I don't buy that a single bit. It can't be more expensive than the cooler that ships on Fury X. If there is a chance that Nvidia is lying, more often than not they are lying as history shows.
 
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Is there any euro shops with the 1080 available ?

It's a nightmare to find the card since all I get is laptop results thanks to that stupid generic 1080 name that gets confused with 1920x1080 res
 
Aristotelian

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Arachnotronic said:
You mean the reference 980 that they quickly took out of production? I wonder why they did that. Could it perhaps be that the cooler is quite expensive to build and keeping it in the market for long would actually be a financial burden?

Naw, it has to be that NVIDIA is lying. :rolleyes:
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If the cooler on the founders edition 1080 is expensive to make, I will not doubt that. But the waterblock will be roughly 120 USD - guaranteed, so when EVGA makes the hydrocopper version it should roughly turn out to cost as much as the founders edition, unless they start making heavy customisations to power delivery systems and whatever on their board.

But I don't think this is bound to happen. If the founders edition in the EU is roughly EUR 780, then the hydrocopper EVGA will be closer to EUR 900, even without the cost of the cooler. So it's not about 'lying', for me, it's about adding profits to every step of the chain, and the more informed a customer one becomes the more one can balk at this tactic - if it turns out to be true, as I think it will be.

To EU customers - I use idealo for price checks - they tend to have the lowest, and yeah, there's nothing meaningful there yet.
 
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how confident are you with this %? because if this is right, every 980 ti owner who is selling their card is basically giving away money. especially if their card are ones like 750$ top tier versions.

kinda weird how the 1070(a big if) would beat buying a more expensive used 980 ti, but 980 ti owners would also lose out big if they don't sell.
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I'm very confident as it is a confirmed number not a guess. The only thing changing those would be a significantly greater overclocking potential of the custom 1080s. Direct comparisons of both chips at their full potential are norwhere to be found so we can only guess that the reviewer's guide specifically mentions not to include them but we can make comparisons ourselves, can't we? That's how I arrived at that %.

Look for yourself:

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So that's 155fps vs 138. 155/138=1.123 so the OC1080 is 12.3% faster. Let's see if that BF test isn't an outlier where the 1080 is unusually weak compared to the 980ti. Because the 1080 is a small architectural tweak of Maxwell rather than a new architecture it's not going to vary widely in relative performance like Fury does. So there's only bandwidth that can affect relative scores with bandwidth heavy test particularly unforgiving for the 1080.
ps. I have to caution people about one thing, some people mention 1500MHz 980Tis like it was pretty a much guaranteed OC. It's is not, my 980Ti which was 1.19GHz at stock didn't reach that even with water-cooling. Companies are very often misleading people by sending binned hardware for reviews. I wouldn't take 1.5GHz for granted possibly with the exception of the MSI LIGNTING and the ASUS MATRIX. I grabbed the latter. Now I'm off to find a nice water-block for it.

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/images/perfrel_2560_1440.png

So the performance difference in a wide array of games is 35% compared to 34% in BF. Pretty much the same difference. I'm talking about the 1080 advantage over the 980Ti.

So we can be pretty sure of that number.
 
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DeathReborn

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sirmo said:
@Aristotelian

Yup, that's Nvidia for you, they will squeeze every cent out of you they can. Other companies aren't much different per se. But Nvidia takes the cake when it comes to deceptive pricing or marketing.

There is nothing major in 1080 manufacturing costs which warrants a higher cost than say 980, and even 980 had large profit margins.

It's their prerogative however. And it's our prerogative to vote with our money.
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We have been lectured by many on this very forum how 16nm/14nm is so much more expensive than 28nm plus GDDR5X isn't cheaper than GDDR5 (double quantity to boot). Plus they gotta pay all those PR men etc...

I will be skipping 1080 btw, but for GP100's performance, not costs of the 1080 FE.
 
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Lepton87 said:
So that's 155fps vs 138. 155/138=1.123 so the OC1080 is 12.3% faster. Let's see if that BF test isn't an outlier where the 1080 is unusually weak compared to the 980ti. Because the 1080 is a small architectural tweak of Maxwell rather than a new architecture it's not going to vary widely in relative performance like Fury does. So there's only bandwidth that can affect relative scores with bandwidth heavy test particularly unforgiving for the 1080.
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Overclockersclub did an overclocking test with 9 games and found the overclocked 1080 to be 24% faster on average than the overclocked 980 Ti (at 1440P).

The 1080 was overclocked to 2050 MHz, and the 980 Ti was overclocked to 1455 MHz.
 
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Regarding 980 Ti overclocks, I will share my personal experience with three different cards.

Card 1 (Single Card)- Boosted to about 1480mhz under air w/ minor voltage increase, good temps. I couldn't get 1500mhz out of it. I got around 8.2ghz on the memory, good for around 393GB/s of memory bandwidth.

I sold that first card and got two different ones for SLI

Card 2 & 3 (SLI) - Boosts to about 1470~mhz under air w/ SLI on stock voltage. I didn't increase voltage since I don't want to cook the upper card with crazy temps. No reason to push to the max since in SLI they can play just about anything with every setting anyway. I didn't bother to test OCs separately or with increased voltage, so I dunno how much higher it can go. Maybe 1500mhz, maybe not. Memory is good for 8.2ghz for both cards, good for around 393GB/s of memory bandwidth.

So out of my three cards, none of them hit 1500mhz. One had minor voltage bump, two had no voltage and in SLI so I was a bit conservative. But all three were really close.
 
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I had been patiently waiting for this day to come. The day the review embargo on gtx 1080 would be lifted and the reviews flooded in. Never before i have seen such hope leading upto a gpu launch. Pascal inspired hope among gpu enthusiasts. Hope that it would be significantly fast and priced well. Hope that would eventually be crushed on this day. Months of hope crushed in a single day. But hope is not yet dead. Hope still shines brightly. Only Ultimate hope can defeat despair. Only the combined brightly shining power of ultimate hope will crush despair.
Without despair hope cannot exist. And without hope neither can despair. They are different sides of the same coin.
One cannot exist without the other. We cannot let despair win. We cannot let Nvidia fill us with despair. We will fight back. For we are the symbols of hope. And together this powerful hope will crush despair.Despair cannot be allowed to win. For Hope will defeat despair.
So let's hope that AIB partners shower us with $599 gtx 1080's. That's all we can hope for.
 
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Timmah!

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So, regarding those aftermarket 1080s, do we have to wait to see them revealed until Computex?
 
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Timmah!

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antihelten said:
Nah, we should start seeing them for sale on the 27th, which is a couple of days before Computex.
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But even the non-reference ones? I was under impression it will be just FE from Nvidia and AIBs on 27th.

How long does it usually take for the likes of Gigabyte Xtreme, Evga ACX/Classy/Hybrid, MSI Gaming, etc... to pop up? Will those be straight available?
 
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antihelten said:
Overclockersclub did an overclocking test with 9 games and found the overclocked 1080 to be 24% faster on average than the overclocked 980 Ti (at 1440P).

The 1080 was overclocked to 2050 MHz, and the 980 Ti was overclocked to 1455 MHz.
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Thanks I've been looking for such benchmarks. It paints a broader picture and it goes to show how variable the performance can be based on clock-speed. Ideally we should have the average clock-speed reported but we only have the maximum clock instead which introduces quite a bit of variability. I intentionally chose the best 980Ti I could but the tests you linked provide the results that most 980Ti owners can expect. 1455MHZ vs 1517MHz for the 980Ti can't possibly account for all the difference in performance so the difference in average clock-speed which is what actually matters must be higher.

So:
12% best case scenario for the 980Ti
24% the usual speed-up
That's how it goes in my opinion when it comes to over-clocked performance. I'd like to hear your take on it.

I had been patiently waiting for this day to come. The day the review embargo on gtx 1080 would be lifted and the reviews flooded in. Never before i have seen such hope leading upto a gpu launch. Pascal inspired hope among gpu enthusiasts. Hope that it would be significantly fast and priced well. Hope that would eventually be crushed on this day. Months of hope crushed in a single day. But hope is not yet dead. Hope still shines brightly. Only Ultimate hope can defeat despair. Only the combined brightly shining power of ultimate hope will crush despair.
Without despair hope cannot exist. And without hope neither can despair. They are different sides of the same coin.
One cannot exist without the other. We cannot let despair win. We cannot let Nvidia fill us with despair. We will fight back. For we are the symbols of hope. And together this powerful hope will crush despair.Despair cannot be allowed to win. For Hope will defeat despair.
So let's hope that AIB partners shower us with $599 gtx 1080's. That's all we can hope for.
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pssssss
pass me some of that thing you are smoking, please ;)
 
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railven

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thesmokingman said:
Very nice, much cool! :D


I love modding stuff to work better.
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If I can score a cheapo 1080 with a non-Ref Blower, I'll just snag it and get a Hybrid cooler.

Since my buyer never came through I still got that nice Hybrid Shroud that has no denomination:

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For ~$650. Get essentially another water cooled card.

I look forward to his part 3 video to see what clocks they can get.
 
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railven said:
If I can score a cheapo 1080 with a non-Ref Blower, I'll just snag it and get a Hybrid cooler.

Since my buyer never came through I still got that nice Hybrid Shroud that has no denomination:

evga-hybrid-shroud.jpg


For ~$650. Get essentially another water cooled card.

I look forward to his part 3 video to see what clocks they can get.
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So do i. I suspect he wont really get more than those 2,1~2,15GHz the other people got, though with watercooling those clocks may actually be stable instead of card throttling cause of temps after a while. For higher clocks, if possible at all, i think there will be need for at least another 6-pin...
 
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Arachnotronic said:
Thanks for the link. I'm going to subscribe to this YouTube channel, this is a very good piece of unique content. Props to them for testing this out.
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You're welcome sir. Gamers Nexus is awesome ,one of the few youtubers who's opinions I still trust to be objective .
 
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