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Vanguard: SOH

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Haven't heard much about this game lately. Is it coming out soon? I first heard about it a year ago and it sparked my interest when I was told that the original Everquest developers were working on it. Do people here still think it sounds promising? I wouldn't mind getting into an MMO again. EQ was fun for awhile and WOW was alright until the 50s.
 
I've heard a lot of mixed feelings, mostly negative though. Playing a fresh MMO, even if it is cliche could be fun though. I'll probably give it a try.
 
That kinda sucks. I've been waiting for a new video game to keep me occupied when there is nothing to do. MMOs seem to be great at that. Most single player games are fun, but last 10 hours and that is it.
 
The open beta will be starting soon, launching with Fileplanet. You can actually Dl the client, 6.45GB, right now. There's also preorder packs at local stores with beta invitation keys. I'm not fully certain if the invitation key from the preorder package will work with the client from Fileplanet though.
 
I've been a huge Vanguard fan, been in beta for about 6 months now... and i have to say, if the game is going to be released at the end of Jan as i'm hearing, it's going to be a DISASTER. This game has so much for it... if you've ever played an MMO before, and you ever get a chance to go to New Tagornor (i think that's how it's spelled), you'll be blown away by the scale. It's the largest MMO city ever conceived, and we're not talking about a little bigger... but mind blowing huge, almost like a real city. This is how Vanguard should be, and they should NOT release a game in it's current state. It's just not ready, and it's going to be a complete disaster.

I'm actually ashame of the game as it currently is, as i've told sooo many people about all the good things about it. Will i play at release? I damn well will. Because i've followed the game long enough, been beta long enough (although i had a hiatus there for a bit), to know what the game is really like. But it's going to leave a bitter taste in many people if it's released as it is today... unless there are some huge drastic changes coming up that we're not aware of (i'm not crossing my fingers for this... there's no way they can fix this game in a month).
 
I'm in the beta, but my old PC can't really run it acceptably. Regardless, now that Sony/SOE is involved, I'm no longer interested.
 
That's moronic. Sony/SOE has no influence in the game whatsoever. In fact, it's not even housed at SOE atm (it will be for beta5, which will begin within the week i believe).

If this game goes to sh1t, don't blame SOE for it. It's all on Brad and co shoulder. And they've admitted as much.

BTW, if you're upset at the Combat Update in SWG, blame Lucas Arts for that, not SOE. There was a lot of grumblings at SOE on the changes, but Lucas wanted a faster paced game (and saw how much money WoW was making).
 
Originally posted by: Looney
I've been a huge Vanguard fan, been in beta for about 6 months now... and i have to say, if the game is going to be released at the end of Jan as i'm hearing, it's going to be a DISASTER. This game has so much for it... if you've ever played an MMO before, and you ever get a chance to go to New Tagornor (i think that's how it's spelled), you'll be blown away by the scale. It's the largest MMO city ever conceived, and we're not talking about a little bigger... but mind blowing huge, almost like a real city. This is how Vanguard should be, and they should NOT release a game in it's current state. It's just not ready, and it's going to be a complete disaster.

I'm actually ashame of the game as it currently is, as i've told sooo many people about all the good things about it. Will i play at release? I damn well will. Because i've followed the game long enough, been beta long enough (although i had a hiatus there for a bit), to know what the game is really like. But it's going to leave a bitter taste in many people if it's released as it is today... unless there are some huge drastic changes coming up that we're not aware of (i'm not crossing my fingers for this... there's no way they can fix this game in a month).
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wow, just wow...you're going to pay to play a game that you know ahead of time is going to suck horribly and has so many problems...you're exactly why these software companies keep releasing ******, buggy, unfinished games.
 
Damn, I was kinda looking forward to this. The original Everquest was lots of fun (earlier expansions at least) and I figured the original developers could come out with a promising game. I can't think of any recent games that were able to hold my attention like the original everquest. There was just so much content. Of course I am referring to the original game and expansions because yea it did turn into a stand still and hit monster for 45 minute deal.
 
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Looney
I've been a huge Vanguard fan, been in beta for about 6 months now... and i have to say, if the game is going to be released at the end of Jan as i'm hearing, it's going to be a DISASTER. This game has so much for it... if you've ever played an MMO before, and you ever get a chance to go to New Tagornor (i think that's how it's spelled), you'll be blown away by the scale. It's the largest MMO city ever conceived, and we're not talking about a little bigger... but mind blowing huge, almost like a real city. This is how Vanguard should be, and they should NOT release a game in it's current state. It's just not ready, and it's going to be a complete disaster.

I'm actually ashame of the game as it currently is, as i've told sooo many people about all the good things about it. Will i play at release? I damn well will. Because i've followed the game long enough, been beta long enough (although i had a hiatus there for a bit), to know what the game is really like. But it's going to leave a bitter taste in many people if it's released as it is today... unless there are some huge drastic changes coming up that we're not aware of (i'm not crossing my fingers for this... there's no way they can fix this game in a month).
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wow, just wow...you're going to pay to play a game that you know ahead of time is going to suck horribly and has so many problems...you're exactly why these software companies keep releasing ******, buggy, unfinished games.
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I absolutely would. Hell, I would pay to play in beta right now if i wasn't. Why? It's because I'm still having fun. It's fantastic seeing the world change before your eyes, especially when what you say is actually heard from the developers.

No MMO ever was released without bugs or incomplete content. NO MMO GAME, and NO MMO GAME IN ALL OF HUMAN TIME will ever be completely free of bugs. I can guarantee you on that. But i'm being honest about Vanguard. It's not ready, and i'm telling people not buy it if you're not ready for a buggy game. I'm not sugar coating anything.

If you don't and won't pay for a buggy game, then don't. Wait a year when things are stabilized. I don't see what the big deal is. In the meantime, i'm HOPING THEY GET MY MONEY so they can further develop the game.
 
No MMO ever was released without bugs or incomplete content. NO MMO GAME, and NO MMO GAME IN ALL OF HUMAN TIME will ever be completely free of bugs. I can guarantee you on that. But i'm being honest about Vanguard. It's not ready, and i'm telling people not buy it if you're not ready for a buggy game. I'm not sugar coating anything.
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This is very true. I guess maybe I should just wait a year for "it to come out" so I play the updated version that won't suck.
 
Originally posted by: Looney
That's moronic. Sony/SOE has no influence in the game whatsoever. In fact, it's not even housed at SOE atm (it will be for beta5, which will begin within the week i believe).

If this game goes to sh1t, don't blame SOE for it. It's all on Brad and co shoulder. And they've admitted as much.

BTW, if you're upset at the Combat Update in SWG, blame Lucas Arts for that, not SOE. There was a lot of grumblings at SOE on the changes, but Lucas wanted a faster paced game (and saw how much money WoW was making).
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Lol, I know what they said... Read between the lines. FFS Sony even set up a site for it - http://www.joinvanguard.com - when it already had a perfectly good site at http://www.vanguardsoh.com - I thought they were only handling servers and billing? 😉 Sony is a virus which can't help but pollute all it touches. If you think VG is magically immune, I've got news for you.

No @ SW:G - had no interest after my experience in EQ watching Sony kill a beautiful game I loved. What's really sad is that they can't even claim it was in the name of profits - the buffoons are so incompetent that the changes they made after Brad left lost them more customers than it earned them.

It is interesting however that if you listen to the majority of players / former players, they apparently ruined that game, Planetside and the Matrix Online as well as EQ.

ps - Agreed on bugs, all you can ask is that it's made relatively playable and that they address bugs rather than ignoring them. But if you squashed every last one.. lol.. by the time you were done the game would be ancient in terms of technology and no one would want to play it 😛 Learn a bit about coding.
 
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Looney
That's moronic. Sony/SOE has no influence in the game whatsoever. In fact, it's not even housed at SOE atm (it will be for beta5, which will begin within the week i believe).

If this game goes to sh1t, don't blame SOE for it. It's all on Brad and co shoulder. And they've admitted as much.

BTW, if you're upset at the Combat Update in SWG, blame Lucas Arts for that, not SOE. There was a lot of grumblings at SOE on the changes, but Lucas wanted a faster paced game (and saw how much money WoW was making).
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Lol, I know what they said... Read between the lines. FFS Sony even set up a site for it - http://www.joinvanguard.com - when it already had a perfectly good site at http://www.vanguardsoh.com - I thought they were only handling servers and billing? 😉 Sony is a virus which can't help but pollute all it touches. If you think VG is magically immune, I've got news for you.
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Um they're co-publisher. Do you think Vanguard has all the networking to get the game onto the shelves? Do really have any clue as to how much resources they would have to spend on that and marketing? All game developers go through publishers, it's because 1) they can put priority into what they know best, making games. 2) so they don't have to spend tens of millions dollars getting that huge network set up, but instead rely on an another company or 'agency'. It's COMMON practice. Microsoft was their publisher previously. Now it's SOE. There aren't that many publishers with MMO experience, especially with as much experience as SOE. Squaresoft (now Square Enix) is one true... and they could have gone with them. But they went with a company that's literally DOWN THE STREET to them, a company whom they've worked with in the past, and are good friends with. If i was to join up with anybody, i would certainly look at some old friends rather than some Asians (nothing against asians, i'm Chinese) across the sea.
 
Originally posted by: CKent
It is interesting however that if you listen to the majority of players / former players, they apparently ruined that game, Planetside and the Matrix Online as well as EQ.
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I didn't play Planetside, but MxO LOLOLOL come on, you're blaming SOE for MxO?! LOLOLOLOL OMG!!! Did you even play MxO? Well, i DID. Both the beta (very very early beta) and early release. I WISHED they had went with SOE in the beginning. Maybe the game would have been better, but CANCELLING the game would certainly have been easier. How about having to call them up to cancel the game. That's right. You can't cancel the game using the game or client, or website, or anything else. YOU HAD TO CALL THEM. You had to CALL THEM, STAY ON HOLD FOR 15 mins (i don't even remember if it was a toll free number, and in fact, i don't think it was!!!!), to CANCEL THE FVCKING GAME.

LOL OMG i seriously can't believe you blame MxO on SOE.
 
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Looney
That's moronic. Sony/SOE has no influence in the game whatsoever. In fact, it's not even housed at SOE atm (it will be for beta5, which will begin within the week i believe).

If this game goes to sh1t, don't blame SOE for it. It's all on Brad and co shoulder. And they've admitted as much.

BTW, if you're upset at the Combat Update in SWG, blame Lucas Arts for that, not SOE. There was a lot of grumblings at SOE on the changes, but Lucas wanted a faster paced game (and saw how much money WoW was making).
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Lol, I know what they said... Read between the lines. FFS Sony even set up a site for it - http://www.joinvanguard.com - when it already had a perfectly good site at http://www.vanguardsoh.com - I thought they were only handling servers and billing? 😉 Sony is a virus which can't help but pollute all it touches. If you think VG is magically immune, I've got news for you.
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Um they're co-publisher. Do you think Vanguard has all the networking to get the game onto the shelves? Do really have any clue as to how much resources they would have to spend on that and marketing? All game developers go through publishers, it's because 1) they can put priority into what they know best, making games. 2) so they don't have to spend tens of millions dollars getting that huge network set up, but instead rely on an another company or 'agency'. It's COMMON practice. Microsoft was their publisher previously. Now it's SOE. There aren't that many publishers with MMO experience, especially with as much experience as SOE. Squaresoft (now Square Enix) is one true... and they could have gone with them. But they went with a company that's literally DOWN THE STREET to them, a company whom they've worked with in the past, and are good friends with. If i was to join up with anybody, i would certainly look at some old friends rather than some Asians (nothing against asians, i'm Chinese) across the sea.
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Who said I think any of those things? Stop putting words in my mouth, I'm well aware of production's realities. Moreso than you, I'm sure, but thanks for the cute little attempt at a lesson, I guess :laugh:

In fact I was glad to hear it was MS publishing and not Sony. Unfortunately MS must have been making some ridiculous demands, for Brad to have switched to Sony and sealed his game in a coffin. They'll never make another penny off me or off a sizeable portion of people who've played EQ - which, ironically, constitutes a large portion of VG's potential playerbase. MS must have really been making some ridiculous demands... but they still would have been the better choice.

I'm not blaming SOE for the Matrix, only going by what I've heard (admittedly sketchy) details on. But while we're talking about their other games, let's hear about the ones you dodged talking about - SW:G and Planetside 😉
 
Originally posted by: CKent
In fact I was glad to hear it was MS publishing and not Sony. Unfortunately MS must have been making some ridiculous demands, for Brad to have switched to Sony and sealed his game in a coffin. They'll never make another penny off me or off a sizeable portion of people who've played EQ - which, ironically, constitutes a large portion of VG's potential playerbase. MS must have really been making some ridiculous demands... but they still would have been the better choice.
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They bought full rights of the game from MS, something they have now, which they didn't have when they were with MS. Believe what you want. There's absolutely no reason for either companies to lie about their alliance, especially since SOE is a publicly traded company.

I'm not blaming SOE for the Matrix, only going by what I've heard (admittedly sketchy) details on. But while we're talking about their other games, let's hear about the ones you dodged talking about - SW:G and Planetside 😉
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What am i dodging? I already told you what happened to SWG... that was a Lucas Arts moved, they wanted the game to be more fast paced, they wanted it to be very accessible to the public, like how WoW is. So they dumbed down the professions to a few core classes, and made combat more FPS oriented. Unfortunately the only people that were sticking with SWG at that time WERE the hardcore players (if you ever played SWG, you'd know even despite the very lame introduction, it was a very difficult and confusing game to get into).

As for Planetside, again, what am i dodging? I already told you i never played it. And you absolutely did blame SOE for MxO... why else would you mention them?
 
BTW, if you know so much about marketing and the publishing industry, then i'm sure you know the legality between not disclosing something (not saying what their agreement is) and outright lying about something (saying they're only co-publisher when in fact SOE has their fingers in more than just publishing). Is that right?
 
Originally posted by: Looney
They bought full rights of the game from MS, something they have now, which they didn't have when they were with MS. Believe what you want. There's absolutely no reason for either companies to lie about their alliance, especially since SOE is a publicly traded company.
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Needing his game to succeed, but knowing most of its potential players won't play due to SOE isn't a reason to lie? Lol... I'm not blaming him, I understand he probably would prefer a better solution but had to pick the lesser of two evils. It's unfortunate because it could have been a great game without Sony's taint. He certainly has the talent.

It is interesting however that if you listen to the majority of players / former players, they apparently ruined that game, Planetside and the Matrix Online as well as EQ.
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As for Planetside, again, what am i dodging? I already told you i never played it. And you absolutely did blame SOE for MxO... why else would you mention them?
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Didn't momma teach you it's not nice to fib? 😉

BTW, if you know so much about marketing and the publishing industry, then i'm sure you know the legality between not disclosing something (not saying what their agreement is) and outright lying about something (saying they're only co-publisher when in fact SOE has their fingers in more than just publishing). Is that right?
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Right, because making money is regulated so well by what's legal and what isn't... *flashback to Sony rootkits*. Lol, get a clue. Read between the lines. You're one of the bigger Sony fanboys I've come across. I bet you have a ps3 as well?
 
Yeesh, some people ruin every thread that mentions Vanguard and SOE, usually its Ckent. I don't remember what his previous moniker was, but he tried to ruin any thread that discussed a game that SOE was involved with.

Lets get back on topic though. You say SOH is not ready to be released because of its buggy state, and yet its scheduled to be releaed at the end of January? Amazon has a date of 29 Jan at the moment, but thats subject to change.

Whats the word in the beta, are their major updates coming? I've such high hopes for this game, and if its a failure, then the MMO genre is screwed for an entire generation. We won't get anything but crappy WoW clones. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Yeesh, some people ruin every thread that mentions Vanguard and SOE, usually its Ckent. I don't remember what his previous moniker was, but he tried to ruin any thread that discussed a game that SOE was involved with.

Lets get back on topic though. You say SOH is not ready to be released because of its buggy state, and yet its scheduled to be releaed at the end of January? Amazon has a date of 29 Jan at the moment, but thats subject to change.

Whats the word in the beta, are their major updates coming? I've such high hopes for this game, and if its a failure, then the MMO genre is screwed for an entire generation. We won't get anything but crappy WoW clones. 🙁
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:laugh: And who should show up bit Sony's biggest fan 😉

It's like you have a hotline set up - 1-800-SOE-BASH - and whenever you get a call about a thread needing your assistance, you swoop in to defend your fanboys-in-arms :laugh:
 
I just downloaded and tried the trial of EQ2 so I'm hoping that will lead to some fun...but I doubt it lol. I'll take a look at Vanguard when it comes out. Hopefully they will have some 7 day trial or something.
 
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Looney
I've been a huge Vanguard fan, been in beta for about 6 months now... and i have to say, if the game is going to be released at the end of Jan as i'm hearing, it's going to be a DISASTER. This game has so much for it... if you've ever played an MMO before, and you ever get a chance to go to New Tagornor (i think that's how it's spelled), you'll be blown away by the scale. It's the largest MMO city ever conceived, and we're not talking about a little bigger... but mind blowing huge, almost like a real city. This is how Vanguard should be, and they should NOT release a game in it's current state. It's just not ready, and it's going to be a complete disaster.

I'm actually ashame of the game as it currently is, as i've told sooo many people about all the good things about it. Will i play at release? I damn well will. Because i've followed the game long enough, been beta long enough (although i had a hiatus there for a bit), to know what the game is really like. But it's going to leave a bitter taste in many people if it's released as it is today... unless there are some huge drastic changes coming up that we're not aware of (i'm not crossing my fingers for this... there's no way they can fix this game in a month).
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wow, just wow...you're going to pay to play a game that you know ahead of time is going to suck horribly and has so many problems...you're exactly why these software companies keep releasing ******, buggy, unfinished games.
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I absolutely would. Hell, I would pay to play in beta right now if i wasn't. Why? It's because I'm still having fun. It's fantastic seeing the world change before your eyes, especially when what you say is actually heard from the developers.

No MMO ever was released without bugs or incomplete content. NO MMO GAME, and NO MMO GAME IN ALL OF HUMAN TIME will ever be completely free of bugs. I can guarantee you on that. But i'm being honest about Vanguard. It's not ready, and i'm telling people not buy it if you're not ready for a buggy game. I'm not sugar coating anything.

If you don't and won't pay for a buggy game, then don't. Wait a year when things are stabilized. I don't see what the big deal is. In the meantime, i'm HOPING THEY GET MY MONEY so they can further develop the game.
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i'm not saying any mmorpg is released without bugs or some problems but they way you talk its like the game is unplayable. why wait for a year on a game that is going to be a disaster from the beginning? can they really fix it? will anyone even want to play it a year later, knowing that it is horrible and was a complete disaster. sure, you'll get the 2000 or so fanboys wwho will still pay and play and it will end up like DAOC, a barren wasteland.
 
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