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Van Jones - Obama's Green Jobs Czar

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Originally posted by: eskimospy


You do realize that Senators make decisions about the environment all the time, and they are a bunch of attorneys... right? Furthermore, there are tons of people in Washington who make policy all the time who aren't approved by the voters. (I assume you mean the Senate?) It's been that way for longer than any of us have been alive and government couldn't function otherwise.
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And look where it has gotten us.
 
Originally posted by: Druidx
I listened to his speech, it was painful. Can someone explain to me what the hell an eco-apartheid is?
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The white man sending the pollutifications to the black mans neighborhood.
 
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: eskimospy

You do realize that Senators make decisions about the environment all the time, and they are a bunch of attorneys... right? Furthermore, there are tons of people in Washington who make policy all the time who aren't approved by the voters. (I assume you mean the Senate?) It's been that way for longer than any of us have been alive and government couldn't function otherwise.
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And look where it has gotten us.
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To having the most powerful economy on the planet, along with a generally positive environmental record compared to the rest of the world? I can think of worse things.
 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Rastus
He's done now.

Check signatory #46.
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lulz, who thinks he'll still have a job monday?

Will obama distance himself, will he throw him under the bus? I can see it now, "This is not the Van Jones I once knew"
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he will distance himself first. then in a week he will throw him under the bus.
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I'll believe it when I see it.
 
Originally posted by: FerrelGeek
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Rastus
He's done now.

Check signatory #46.
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lulz, who thinks he'll still have a job monday?

Will obama distance himself, will he throw him under the bus? I can see it now, "This is not the Van Jones I once knew"
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he will distance himself first. then in a week he will throw him under the bus.
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I'll believe it when I see it.
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I'm expecting him to say nothing and just to wait it out till people forget.
 
I think this proves Obama needs to add another Czar. The new Czar will be responsible for vetting new people before becoming a Czar. He should also go add a Czar to oversee media relations with the other Czars.
I firmly believe that will fix the problem.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
At the time I did not know that he was a truther.........
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That's what I found to be most amusing.

(it would appear that CPA did not know this either)
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So what? It merely points to the crazed nature of Van Jones' psyche.

I find truthers to be absolutely stupid and ridiculous.....
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Now this is all you needed to state upon the relevation that one of your heroes was a truther after calling out one of his detractors as "dangerously unhinged". CPA has a lengthly and positive posting history here at AT, much moreso than you. None of his posts have ever given the impression of a "dangerously unhinged" person--especially in comparison to some of the things on record that Van Jones has uttered. This is not to say that CPA's track record of posts here being completely unblemished by error, but "dangerously unhinged"? Really. That's what you believe? It would appear to me that your outburst against CPA's *opinion* of Van Jones is more revealing of someone on the edge of a crazed emotional breakdown. But what do I know, I'm not a psychiatrist.

What you did was make a leap of logic not based upon what I had said, but upon what you wish I had said.
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Once again you resort to a dishonest appraisal of my comments. What a shocker. Here's what I stated:

Originally posted by: Corn
LOL, so Van Jones is a Truther, yet it is CPA that is allegedly "dangerously unhinged". Silly liberal apologists and their evaporating credibility make me smile. Well done sir!
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Did you, or did you not call out CPA as "dangerously unhinged"? Isn't that what *you* said? Because that is surely not only what I *wished* you said, but it is exactly what you *actually* typed. I made no commentary regarding anything other than my amusement from the light of your outburst regarding your opinion of CPA's alleged mental instability being shed upon the amusing factual irony that Van Jones is a truther.

I try to be as simple as I can so fellas like you can remain engaged in the conversation, I do. I tried, but looks like I failed.

 
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Corn
The lengths the silly liberals will go to keep bailing a doomed ship is amusing. For example:

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Van Jones could be 'unhinged' for being a truther, but CPA wasn't talking about him being a truther, he was talking about his economic views.
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I never claimed CPA was talking about him being a truther. I fail to see any relevance to that sentence.

Let me make this as simple as I can. You claim CPA to be "dangerously unhinged" while in the same breath defend a Truther. If you can't see the irony in that, I'd say that it is you who has been blinded by partisanship.
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Seriously? And you accuse Vic for bringing up strawmen when all he did was to make an (IMO) excellent analogy and you are offering strawmen left and right and then conclude that since you are, it's fucking ironic?

It's ironic alright but the irony is lost on you.
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Speaking of "dangerously unhinged", welcome back JOS!

You tell me JOS, is it your opinion that CPA "dangerously unhinged" and that Truthers are emotionally stable?

Vic's "analogy" was reasonable as I stated that no one would argue agasint it. It simply has little relevance to Van Jones' ideology. Van Jones isn't a socialist because he doesn't want hazardus waste dumped in our rivers.
 
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: eskimospy
At the time I did not know that he was a truther.........
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That's what I found to be most amusing.

(it would appear that CPA did not know this either)
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So what? It merely points to the crazed nature of Van Jones' psyche.

I find truthers to be absolutely stupid and ridiculous.....
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Now this is all you needed to state upon the relevation that one of your heroes was a truther after calling out one of his detractors as "dangerously unhinged". CPA has a lengthly and positive posting history here at AT, much moreso than you. None of his posts have ever given the impression of a "dangerously unhinged" person--especially in comparison to some of the things on record that Van Jones has uttered. This is not to say that CPA's track record of posts here being completely unblemished by error, but "dangerously unhinged"? Really. That's what you believe? It would appear to me that your outburst against CPA's *opinion* of Van Jones is more revealing of someone on the edge of a crazed emotional breakdown. But what do I know, I'm not a psychiatrist.

What you did was make a leap of logic not based upon what I had said, but upon what you wish I had said.
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Once again you resort to a dishonest appraisal of my comments. What a shocker. Here's what I stated:

Originally posted by: Corn
LOL, so Van Jones is a Truther, yet it is CPA that is allegedly "dangerously unhinged". Silly liberal apologists and their evaporating credibility make me smile. Well done sir!
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Did you, or did you not call out CPA as "dangerously unhinged"? Isn't that what *you* said? Because that is surely not only what I *wished* you said, but it is exactly what you *actually* typed. I made no commentary regarding anything other than my amusement from the light of your outburst regarding your opinion of CPA's alleged mental instability being shed upon the amusing factual irony that Van Jones is a truther.

I try to be as simple as I can so fellas like you can remain engaged in the conversation, I do. I tried, but looks like I failed.
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Interesting how you are stating that nothing CPA has ever posted on here is 'dangerously unhinged' in this thread as in another thread he is talking about pulling his kids out of school because the president is going to give a speech to kids. You're right, he's not crazy at all.

I never made an evaluation of Jones' psyche nor anything else related to how I judge his world view in any way, shape, or form, but you seem to think that correcting dishonest portrayals of his comments is akin to defending everything he does. (and somehow affects my ability to call CPA crazy) Of course you need to do that, because otherwise you would have no argument. The only way my credibility could be damaged by such a thing would be if I had made some sort of statement defending Jones on such an account. This should be obvious to you. In fact I think you know it too, but you're too invested in this now to give up.

Let's call this out to be what it really is, you don't like me and so you're trying to 'get' me on something. It's really obvious, and extremely childish. In this case as in several others where you've tried the same thing, you didn't look before you jumped. As a tip, in the future I'm sure I will say something that can't be defended or that you can 'get' me on. Why not wait until one of those happens instead of wasting everyone's time?

Nothing I've said in this thread needs defending, and so I'm not going to bother anymore. You're forced to rely on invented arguments to try and impugn my credibility, and I'm not going to play in Corn's make believe world of what I said.
 
Originally posted by: Sawyer
He supported cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal , I am shocked!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...1999/10/09/MN91787.DTL

He is also back-pedaling on being a Truther
http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...nt-apologizes-for.html


Spokesman for 911truth.org says otherwise
http://www.washingtontimes.com...her-statement-in-2004/
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LOL!

"In a statement issued Thursday evening Jones said of "the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever.""

In other words. Nope, I'm not a truther, nope not me. Nope, I certainly don't believe in that. Nope, never believed that. When the facts are in your face, deny, deny, deny.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07

LOL!

"In a statement issued Thursday evening Jones said of "the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever.""

In other words. Nope, I'm not a truther, nope not me. Nope, I certainly don't believe in that. Nope, never believed that. When the facts are in your face, deny, deny, deny.
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What he should be doing is telling people that the facts in his face make him MORE correct than he was before! You know all about that, Spidey.
 
he's a typical eco-KOOK. he's exactly what the obama wants. if they replace him, they'll just find another KOOK.
 
he's a typical eco-KOOK. he's exactly what the obama wants. if they replace him, they'll just find another KOOK.
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At this point in time I think I would take a chance on eco-KOOK #2.....

Political hari kari these Democrats are committing....
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Interesting how you are stating that nothing CPA has ever posted on here is 'dangerously unhinged' in this thread as in another thread he is talking about pulling his kids out of school because the president is going to give a speech to kids. You're right, he's not crazy at all.
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You just can't help being pathologically dishonest can you? CPA wasn't "pulling his kids out of school", he's simply going to request they participate in a different activity.

Perhaps it is simply your definition of "dangerously unhinged" is somewhat different than mine. You know, like how someone that is "dangerously unhinged" means to me to be someone that is on the cusp of being a danger to himself or others. CPA has endured all manner of insults to his alleged terrible parenting in that other thread while exhibiting rather good humor about it. Certainly not "dangerously unhinged" as you portray it. But I guess in your mind, anyone who is skeptical of the intentions of someone who just this week thought it a swell idea to politicize the NEA for the creation of propaganda in the form of works of art, should be locked in a padded cell.

So, once again I'll ask, do you *really* believe that CPA is "dangerously unhinged" for a simple difference of political opinion, or can you provide evidence that CPA is a hairs breadth from cracking and taking a pile of silly liberals out with him?

I never made an evaluation of Jones' psyche nor anything else related to how I judge his world view in any way, shape, or form, but you seem to think that correcting dishonest portrayals of his comments is akin to defending everything he does. (and somehow affects my ability to call CPA crazy)
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Why do I have to keep repeating myself, Van Jones is a truther, but you claim it is CPA that is "dangerously unhinged". I gave no commentary regarding anything other than that amusing fact. Why do you keep persisting on this point? What exactly is it that you expect me to say? I've already stated that I've not seen any behavior from CPA that would warrant any concern that he's ready to snap and go on a killing spree as the term "dangerously unhinged" would seem to indicate. Your circular logic leads me to believe it is perhaps it is you who who is beginning to exhibit dangerous behavior. Since Van Jones appears to have rehabilitated his psychosis (according to you anyhow), perhaps you should ask him how he did it and apply a little of that to yourself? Just trying to help.

The only way my credibility could be damaged by such a thing would be if I had made some sort of statement defending Jones on such an account.
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Your credibility is damaged because you make judgements regarding the state of someone's mental health based simply on a disagreement regarding politics where the alleged crazy person has provided no actual signs of psychosis. That is what is obvious to me.

Let's call this out to be what it really is, you don't like me and so you're trying to 'get' me on something.
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Delusions of a paranoid mind perhaps? LOL, I don't hate you, I simply find you to be silly and amusing. I gave you a thumbs up, take it and run!

Silly liberals. :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Corn
The lengths the silly liberals will go to keep bailing a doomed ship is amusing. For example:

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Van Jones could be 'unhinged' for being a truther, but CPA wasn't talking about him being a truther, he was talking about his economic views.
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I never claimed CPA was talking about him being a truther. I fail to see any relevance to that sentence.

Let me make this as simple as I can. You claim CPA to be "dangerously unhinged" while in the same breath defend a Truther. If you can't see the irony in that, I'd say that it is you who has been blinded by partisanship.
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Seriously? And you accuse Vic for bringing up strawmen when all he did was to make an (IMO) excellent analogy and you are offering strawmen left and right and then conclude that since you are, it's fucking ironic?

It's ironic alright but the irony is lost on you.
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Speaking of "dangerously unhinged", welcome back JOS!

You tell me JOS, is it your opinion that CPA "dangerously unhinged" and that Truthers are emotionally stable?

Vic's "analogy" was reasonable as I stated that no one would argue agasint it. It simply has little relevance to Van Jones' ideology. Van Jones isn't a socialist because he doesn't want hazardus waste dumped in our rivers.
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I didn't get into that discussion and i'll stay out of it if you don't mind, or even if you do mind, i really don't give a fuck.

Vic's analogy was pretty fucking good which is unusual on the net.

I think i made my point clear in my first post, if you have a problem with it, adress that.

Oh and thank you, it's good to be back. 🙂
 
Corn, I'm not sure if you're just doing a thing or whatever, but repeating the same stupid shit doesn't make it any more right. Your statement about Van Jones and CPA was a comparative statement. If it wasn't it would be nonsensical. In order for you to detect irony in my position there would need to be an incongruence between my positions on the two. So either you don't understand what irony is, or you invented a position for me to have on the issue. So you're either stupid or dishonest, take your pick!

You're trying so hard here, and I feel for you. Every time I shoot down what you wrote before, you go and invent some other magical conditions and definitions and come charging right back. In some ways I guess I admire your persistance, but there's a point where this is just going to get sad. I'm from Philly and that's where Rocky took place so trust me, I can appreciate someone trying their hardest and still failing.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Corn, I'm not sure if you're just doing a thing or whatever, but repeating the same stupid shit doesn't make it any more right. Your statement about Van Jones and CPA was a comparative statement. If it wasn't it would be nonsensical. In order for you to detect irony in my position there would need to be an incongruence between my positions on the two. So either you don't understand what irony is, or you invented a position for me to have on the issue. So you're either stupid or dishonest, take your pick!

You're trying so hard here, and I feel for you. Every time I shoot down what you wrote before, you go and invent some other magical conditions and definitions and come charging right back. In some ways I guess I admire your persistance, but there's a point where this is just going to get sad. I'm from Philly and that's where Rocky took place so trust me, I can appreciate someone trying their hardest and still failing.
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No shit shirlock. Of course my statement regarding Van and CPA was comparative. Here's your irony: CPA ain't crazy while Mr. Truther is. If yor defense of someone is going to include calling someone else crazy you'd better make sure the person you're defending isn't crazy himself.

So, what is your definition of "dangerously unhinged" anyway?
 
I have a feeling we have a couple of our own truthers, isn't that right eskimoVic 😉


Since Barrack Hussein Obama has hired a truther shouldn't the diversity czar force him to hire a birther?
 
Originally posted by: Budmantom
I have a feeling we have a couple of our own truthers, isn't that right eskimoVic 😉


Since Barrack Hussein Obama has hired a truther shouldn't the diversity czar force him to hire a birther?
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I sincerely doubt that Vic is a truther. I don't think that eskimospy is either, but obviously he doesn't think that all truthers are "stupid and ridiculous" like he claimed since the topic of the OP was outed as one he hasn't commented on that revelation yet--other than he didn't know.
 
Originally posted by: IGBT
he's a typical eco-KOOK. he's exactly what the obama wants. if they replace him, they'll just find another KOOK.
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I think this guy is more than a typical eco-KOOK.

He's brought the race card into eco-issues; I haven't heard that done before. He's a 'truther', and has made quite a few loony remarks about 'overthrowing the system'.

I'm another who'd rather go on to KOOK #2.

Edit: Isn't he a convicted felon too? And hasn't he at one time proclaimed himself to be a communist? If so, :roll:

Fern
 
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Corn, I'm not sure if you're just doing a thing or whatever, but repeating the same stupid shit doesn't make it any more right. Your statement about Van Jones and CPA was a comparative statement. If it wasn't it would be nonsensical. In order for you to detect irony in my position there would need to be an incongruence between my positions on the two. So either you don't understand what irony is, or you invented a position for me to have on the issue. So you're either stupid or dishonest, take your pick!

You're trying so hard here, and I feel for you. Every time I shoot down what you wrote before, you go and invent some other magical conditions and definitions and come charging right back. In some ways I guess I admire your persistance, but there's a point where this is just going to get sad. I'm from Philly and that's where Rocky took place so trust me, I can appreciate someone trying their hardest and still failing.
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No shit shirlock. Of course my statement regarding Van and CPA was comparative. Here's your irony: CPA ain't crazy while Mr. Truther is. If yor defense of someone is going to include calling someone else crazy you'd better make sure the person you're defending isn't crazy himself.

So, what is your definition of "dangerously unhinged" anyway?
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I did nothing to 'defend' Van Jones other than show that the original quotes were taken out of context, which they were. That had nothing to do with his views on anything else other than what was directly quoted. I don't know Van Jones from Adam, I had literally never heard of the guy before this thread, and I am under no obligation whatsoever to dig into everything he believes in if I am correcting misinformation being spread. He was either quoted out of context, or he wasn't.

I'm not getting into an argument on definitions with you, it would just make a stupid argument even stupider. As for CPA, I'm not going to go psychoanalyze him with you either. I find his actions in relation to the Obama education speech to be insane, if you don't... more power to you.
 
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