Valve Comments on the Future of PC Gaming

Genx87

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Very good article. I have been a big fan of Steam since it came out. If only for the fact I dont have to keep the damn disc's around. For instance World in Conflict disc disappeared. I have no idea where it is. I will have to rebuy the game. With Steam I can download it again in a matter of a couple of hours.

I look at my steam catalog. Probably about 25 games over the past 3 years. I have maybe bought 4 games in a box over the same time period.

WoW: burning crusade(btw why cant blizzzard provide this as a free downloadable expac like EVE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?)
World in Conflict
FlightsimX
Company of Heroes

The above are my boxed retail purchases in the past 3 years.
 

Aikouka

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You could buy WoW right now without ever buying it on a physical medium, but the one thing I hate about that is sometimes I like having a physical object when I pay money.
 

Ultralight

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Thanks for posting this; very eye opening. I am sick of the whole "PC Gaming is Declining/Dead" mantra.
 

chizow

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I was a little disappointed in the direction the interview took. Gabe threw out some readily available numbers about # of PCs sold per year and # of gamers, but declined to really drill-down into what that number meant, particularly with the hardware constraints PC developers face when trying to tap into that vast PC user-base.

For instance, he compares Steam's 15 million person user-base favorably to the installed user-base of 12-17 million for the PS3/Xbox360. But based on the Steam Survey, if you extrapolate their 1.5 million or so samples over that 15 million, you'll see that most of his user-base is using aged hardware that is hardly capable of running much more than web-based games or older 3D games.

To me, if you're going to compare to consoles you really need to segment the market and compare the high-end PC market to consoles. There's certainly a market for less hardware-intensive or web-based games, which seems to be a big focus of the article but I don't think it really compares to the interest of your high-end gamer.
 

Modeps

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My only real complaint with digital distro is the lack of being able to trade/sell your games.
 

lupi

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I've bought about 2 digital games the last 2 years compared to probably 70+ boxed.

Right now there are several I'd like to buy from Paradox, but those dumbasses seem to be going digital only and haven't seen my money.
 

videogames101

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Digital Only allows for games to be used on ANY computer, at least the way steam does it. You can be on any computer with internet access, and because all games you buy are linked to your account, download them and play. Steam is an amazing distrobution utility that is the future, because it's so much better then boxed....
 

videogames101

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Originally posted by: lupi
I've bought about 2 digital games the last 2 years compared to probably 70+ boxed.

Right now there are several I'd like to buy from Paradox, but those dumbasses seem to be going digital only and haven't seen my money.

why do you avoid digital?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: videogames101
Originally posted by: lupi
I've bought about 2 digital games the last 2 years compared to probably 70+ boxed.

Right now there are several I'd like to buy from Paradox, but those dumbasses seem to be going digital only and haven't seen my money.

why do you avoid digital?

Perhaps likes to fill up entire rooms full of boxes?
 

Modeps

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Originally posted by: videogames101
Digital Only allows for games to be used on ANY computer, at least the way steam does it. You can be on any computer with internet access, and because all games you buy are linked to your account, download them and play. Steam is an amazing distrobution utility that is the future, because it's so much better then boxed....

Right, but how can I sell Audiosurf now? I hate that game and bought it for $10.
 
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Originally posted by: Modeps
Originally posted by: videogames101
Digital Only allows for games to be used on ANY computer, at least the way steam does it. You can be on any computer with internet access, and because all games you buy are linked to your account, download them and play. Steam is an amazing distrobution utility that is the future, because it's so much better then boxed....

Right, but how can I sell Audiosurf now? I hate that game and bought it for $10.

Sell your steam account. :)
 

videogames101

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Originally posted by: Modeps
Originally posted by: videogames101
Digital Only allows for games to be used on ANY computer, at least the way steam does it. You can be on any computer with internet access, and because all games you buy are linked to your account, download them and play. Steam is an amazing distrobution utility that is the future, because it's so much better then boxed....

Right, but how can I sell Audiosurf now? I hate that game and bought it for $10.

why didn't you try the demo first?
 

skace

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Originally posted by: Modeps
Right, but how can I sell Audiosurf now? I hate that game and bought it for $10.

At $10 it would probably cost you more just putting the effort into selling it than it would just to keep it.
 

Kabob

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Originally posted by: Ultralight
Thanks for posting this; very eye opening. I am sick of the whole "PC Gaming is Declining/Dead" mantra.

PC gaming won't die until they make a console with a keyboard and mouse, and even then I still doubt it'll die off. Some games simply cannot be played with a controller.
 

videogames101

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
One thing you can't get digitally... collector's editions!!!

ah shit, I missed wasting $10 on some art book I'll never look at....


/sarcasm
 

imaheadcase

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One thing I hate about steam is that I got some boxed games, like company of Heros, but it does not "remember" you own it. So if you reinstall OS or uninstall game, you have to actually install the game to redownload it. Kinda takes the awesomeness about not having to reinstall everything.

I heard they are going to put in a function that lets you redownload games you already own and saves that info plus saved games, configs, etc on steam servers..but you would think the registering a copy of a game would be permanent already..lol
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: videogames101
ah shit, I missed wasting $10 on some art book I'll never look at....


/sarcasm

That's because you don't get Blizzard collector's editions!
 

GundamSonicZeroX

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Originally posted by: Modeps
Originally posted by: videogames101
Digital Only allows for games to be used on ANY computer, at least the way steam does it. You can be on any computer with internet access, and because all games you buy are linked to your account, download them and play. Steam is an amazing distrobution utility that is the future, because it's so much better then boxed....

Right, but how can I sell Audiosurf now? I hate that game and bought it for $10.

How can you hate that game? Bad taste in music, perhaps?
 

pmv

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I really don't like the concept of Steam, but, apart from the way it kills the second hand market, I have trouble coming up with a rational reason as to why.

I still buy music cds, would never pay for an mp3, still less DRM protected crap, but in that case there is the justification of better sound quality, plus I resent the way the music companies have saved all that cash on distribution, warehouses, physical media, printing, and retailers' markup, and yet pass almost none of that saving onto the customer and end up charging much the same per track as they always did.

But not sure that the same objection applies to digital distribution of games really. Do digitally distributed games end up cheaper than ones sold on physical media?

I guess I just prefer the idea of paying to own an object that I can then use, without having to ask them for renewed 'permission' every time I go to use it. I dunno, I wouldn't buy a house that required me to phone up the previous owner to ask permission every time I wanted to open the front door. Or, if the analogy is reinstallation rather than execution, every time I wanted to redecorate.

I also worry that companies might eventually move to a 'pay per play' model, charging you every time you fire up a game.

(When in that article the Valve guy talks about viewing games 'as a service' that's what I worry he means. If it gets to that point I would probably give up on gaming).

But it's probably just because I'm old and set in my ways. Prefer the good old-fashioned traditional computer game on disk, like grandad used to play.