Value DDR3 board + Proc, AMD or Intel?

[borisvodofsky]

Next time you call me out i will report you. That was your last warning.





I know what you mean (2400 vs OC 2500) :whiste:

You've failed to acknowledge the fact that the recommendation you are spewing is $120 more than the tried and true budget performer that everyone else already accepts as best value.

The graph below shows what little comes from the Overclocked fx4100, it's just pathetic. and at a $120 increase over the G620.:whiste:

 

[skipsneeky2]

You've failed to acknowledge the fact that the recommendation you are spewing is $120 more than the tried and true budget performer that everyone else already accepts as best value.

The graph below shows what little comes from the Overclocked fx4100, it's just pathetic. and at a $120 increase over the G620.:whiste:

That i3 2100 is a monster,look at it go lol.

 

[Don Karnage]

Lets say the new i3 is $100-120, sounds bought right. you up the bclk, get 6000 passmark

the 2500k/3570k is $150-170, overclocked to 4.8, it gets around 9500-10000 passmark

the 2500k/3570k is still slightly ahead of the i3 performance/ dollar,

ontop of that
2133mhz+ memory speeds
6mb cache:biggrin:

You could run up to DDR3 3200 on an Ivy bridge I3 :biggrin:

Just all depends on the motherboard. Maximis V Gene supports DDR3 3200+

 

[AtenRa]

borisvodofsky,

You continue trolling with the SC2 as if the OP specifically said he is only going to play SC2.

Yes we know SC2 is better with Intel but that is only a single game.

Now give me a brake and stop trolling.

 

[ShintaiDK]

He said he is willing to pay up to $200. For that price i believe the FX4100 + 970 AM3+ motherboard is the better combination for price/performance and features.

He can also play with OC

No its not. Its a disaster recommendation.

 

[ShintaiDK]

borisvodofsky,

You continue trolling with the SC2 as if the OP specifically said he is only going to play SC2.

Yes we know SC2 is better with Intel but that is only a single game.

Now give me a brake and stop trolling.

You do know you basicly do exactly the same? Tho you are actually worse since you deliberately mislead people.


Attack the post, not the poster. Personal attacks and insults are not allowed.

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[AtenRa]

You do know you basicly do exactly the same? Tho you are actually worse since you deliberately mislead people.

Unless you have anything to support this, i suggest you to withdraw your accusation or i will report you for personal attacking, insulting and derogating.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Unless you have anything to support this, i suggest you to withdraw your accusation or i will report you for personal attacking, insulting and derogating.

You gonna report half the forum for not agreeing with you?

Your misleading posts have been countered over and over again. But you refuse any argument that doesnt favour AMD. Or else you just ignore it and keep posting the same nonsense.

And now you gonna recommend a setup thats basicly 100$+ more and burns twice the power. Just so there is an AMD sticker on.

If you noted the OP also asked for a dead silent PC and here power consumption is the key.

Feel free to report me all you want. And everyone else you threaten to report.

 

[AtenRa]

ShintaiDK,

I dont see anyone else here personally attacking me like you and borisvodofsky does. You continuously attacking my posts every time i recommend an AMD CPU.

I on the other hand have never personally attacked anyone.

I will not tolerate this behavior from anyone.

You have been warned.

 

[borisvodofsky]

ShintaiDK,

I dont see anyone else here personally attacking me like you and borisvodofsky does. You continuously attacking my posts every time i recommend an AMD CPU.

I on the other hand have never personally attacked anyone.

I will not tolerate this behavior from anyone.

You have been warned.

Today, when anyone, including you recommend an AMD cpu, they violate the integrity and common decency of computer hobbyist everywhere.

AMD has no competitive enthusiast product at any price range.

The mis-information that constantly vomits from your mouth is directly misleading anyone that comes to this forum to inquire about the "best possible" price to performance ratio of Personal Computing.


We are all hobbyists here, the benchmarks don't lie.

Please cease your trolling.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

AtenRa, I'm willing to listen but I'm not some chump you can pass off gpu limited graphs on.

I've been around for awhile I've had many AM2+/AM3 procs, please don't use your typical thread tactics here give me something real I can use. Do you have any performance/power consumption numbers for a 4100 vs a 955 vs a dual core SB or i3?

Thanks.

 

[borisvodofsky]

AtenRa, I'm willing to listen but I'm not some chump you can pass off gpu limited graphs on.

I've been around for awhile I've had many AM2+/AM3 procs, please don't use your typical thread tactics here give me something real I can use. Do you have any performance/power consumption numbers for a 4100 vs a 955 vs a dual core SB or i3?

Thanks.

Balla, i'm not trying to be a dick, but those numbers you're inquiring about all favor INTEL.

I don't know why AtenRa keeps trolling us, maybe because he's lonely and just likes someone to talk to.

However, Shin and I come back again and again simply to make sure that Neither you, nor anyone else (noobies) are ever swayed by the mis-information that AtenRa perpetuates. ^_^

I think it's quite clear to you and most others that AMD has a complete fail of a product line.


Attack the post, not the poster. Member callouts and insults are not allowed.

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[Rvenger]

ShintaiDK,

I dont see anyone else here personally attacking me like you and borisvodofsky does. You continuously attacking my posts every time i recommend an AMD CPU.

I on the other hand have never personally attacked anyone.

I will not tolerate this behavior from anyone.

You have been warned.

AtenRa,

They do the same to me, just use that little button to report posts if it continues. I am tired of the flaming that goes on here.

 

[paperwastage]

Today, when anyone, including you recommend an AMD cpu, they violate the integrity and common decency of computer hobbyist everywhere.

AMD has no competitive enthusiast product at any price range.

yes they do.... if you want some GPU speed but not a full discrete card (save on $ and electricity), llano is perfectly fine...

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/A8-3850-vs-Core-i3-2100-CPU-Review/1325/19

The good news is that its integrated graphics controller is simply the best integrated solution we’ve seen so far. It was way faster than the Core i3-2100’s and, on Lost Planet 2, it was even faster than a GeForce GT 430, making us suspect that it is optimized for DirectX 11 games. It was also faster than a GeForce GT 430 for applications that use the GPU for processing (GPGPU), such as converting video files using Media Espresso.

Also on the good side, applications that perform better with four “real” cores will perform better on the A8-3850 than on the Core i3-2100, which has only two “real” cores and two “simulated” ones, using Hyper-Threading technology.

The bad news is that, aside from gaming and 3D rendering, the Core i3-2100 is faster and, depending on the application, by a large margin.
So, if you are a gamer on a really tight budget, the new A8-3850 is a really nice option. But if you are an average user who won’t play games, the Core i3-2100 is a better option.

so, what games would BallaTheFeared be playing? if llano's IGP meets the games he plays, maybe llano is fine for him

 

[Idontcare]

AtenRa,

They do the same to me, just use that little button to report posts if it continues. I am tired of the flaming that goes on here.

Excellent advice, per the forum rules, flaming and insults are not allowed. Critique the advice given by the poster if you must, but do so in a non-inflammatory manner or you will be infracted for violating the posting rules.

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[BallaTheFeared]

so, what games would BallaTheFeared be playing? if llano's IGP meets the games he plays, maybe llano is fine for him

Since I already have one power rig, this would be used in conjunction with a GTX 470 I picked up with the 555/board. The card runs nearly silent, the stock AMD HSF is louder, so is the stock Intel fan I was using to cool the mosfets on this non sinked board.

I have everything else but a board and a desirable proc, perhaps the ram 2x1gb and working single channel is the major problem, but even Diablo 3 hickups and won't go over 50~ fps with low gpu usage.

So what I'm looking for is a decent processor to push a 470 in some low gpu demand titles such as Diablo 3, League of Legends, and other titles of that caliber, it won't be used for titles like Dirt or BF as I have a main rig which was made for those titles.

This will also do some HTPC work but any modern proc is going to be fine for that task. I have an older Zalman cooler I'll be using with a ultra low 120mm case fan to keep the PC as close to silent as I can.


Recap:

I need a proc

I need a DDR3 board

I have everything else.

I'm looking for the best bang for the buck while being able to maintain decent FPS in current and future lower demanding titles that do not play well with surround, nor require a high end proc like an i5-2500k or Tri SLI for decent framerates.

Power consumption is not a deal breaker, however price/performance is. Overclocking should be taken into consideration, however it should also be noted I'm looking for a silent solution. I do not have a MC or Frys near me, my go to place is typically Newegg - I live in the US.


What I'm looking for is information on both AMD and Intel processors in cpu limited situations, because in games like D3 it's not going to matter. I do play SC from time to time but it's not a major concern even my i5-2500k bottlenecks there so I would not play that on the PC we're discussing here.

Really what it comes down to is if the 955 or 4100 or anything cheaper from AMD is capable of exceeding the performance of Intels non overclocking $100 and below offerings.


What I'm not interested in seeing is stock vs stock so much as stock intel vs overclocked AMD - I have no interest in gpu limited graphs they do me no good.

 

[borisvodofsky]

@ balla,

We pretty much answered your question 5 times already. The intel G530/G620 has the best price to performance ratio. All of the credible experienced users, myself included, concur on this subject.

The rest of these lengthy discussions is just to make sure no "misinformation/ Amd paid espionage" is perpetuated around these fertile waters.

If you still think blowing $200 on an amd 4100 is the way to go, be my guest. You'll be very disappointed to say the least. Is that what you want, to live "what could've been" for the rest of that computer's life. :biggrin:

AMD fx4100 is absolute garbage, along with the entire faildozer lineup.

I say this out of respect for the AMD engineers, because they did their job, it's really the business and marketing department's job to price the chips accordingly.

The fact remains that faildozer is too expensive.

If AMD would drop $50 from every faildozer, It'd suddenly become Windozer..

 

[turn_pike]

Would you be doing any cpu intensive tasks in the background / multitasking a lot with the rig ?
Seeing it is a second rig, people sometimes use them for activities like program compile / video encode / run webserver which would take up valuable cpu time and memory from their main rig.

If yes, I would say go for a non BE quad core Phenom II plus a cheap mobo.
Having lots of programs open (like 50 tabs in firefox like I do) in the background while gaming would mean its better to have more cores

If you do normal gaming every now and then, it would be a toss up but Intel holds the edge because they have better performance thread-per-thread and some cpu intensive games like the aforementioned starcraft 2 only uses two cores. The bottleneck usually only happens on large battles though (we are talking about maxed out supply battle on 3v3,4v4 battle). Most people play 1v1 and never get bottlenecked by their cpu.
Skyrim supposedly only uses two cores (effectively) but the bottleneck only happen in places with lots of npcs like towns.

If you -only- game in the rig, I'd choose the Intel G620.

For best optimization we kinda need to know what game you wanna play.

Being computer enthusiasts (like most of you here !) I personally would go with AMD because the cpu bottleneck dont actually happen that often, even then its only for gaming. On the other hand a secondary rig is the perfect place to experiment with running other OS in virtualbox / compiling KDE to try it on windows / run your own webserver and try to use google's SPDY just to see how it works in practice, etc etc.

 

[laputan machine]

I've not seen anyone mention the fm1 athlon cpus. Since you already have a gpu they can offer some good bang for the buck. On amazon you can get a x4 athlon II 631 @2.6ghz for 75$ right now.
http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Athlon-Qua...rds=athlon+631

It is a 100w cpu though so it will probably be noisier than an intel pentium, but it still might be worth considering.
I have a g850 in my other computer and it's great, so I can recommend that. I'm sure the g620 would be fine too.

 

[KompuKare]

For a simple main machine which won't be hacked or clocked the G620 is fine, but it is no fun. In fact, these days no low-end Intel CPUs are fun: fun has been reserved for £150+ 2500K/2600K etc.

A8-3850 vs Pentium G620
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=406

Llano's can go up to about 3.6GHz without becoming too power hungry (I'm basing this on idle load from ht4u.net: http://ht4u.net/reviews/2011/amd_a8_3870k_llano_apu/index10.php but different mobos, voltages, RAM, and HDDs etc. make a big difference). Of course, anything with a 470 in it isn't going to be zipping power anyhow.

The overclocked Llano should fare better vs the G620. And in some multi-threaded stuff it should be faster. And it allows 'hacking'.

In fact, since I refuse to spend over £100 for a CPU, I am sort of tempted to pick up a Llano before they're gone and an A75 mobo. SATA3 and USB3 would be handy (my SSD is being somewhat held back by SATA2). The G620 and similar have a max overclock of about 6-7% AFAIK and that's, well how do I put this: boring.

 

[kongqueror]

Really what it comes down to is if the 955 or 4100 or anything cheaper from AMD is capable of exceeding the performance of Intels non overclocking $100 and below offerings.

I was in a similar situation as yourself recently and after much research and extensive use of Anandtech's Bench, you really can't beat the price/performance ratio of an i3-2120 or G620 rig.

i3-2120 + H61 board = $120 + $50 = $170.
G620 + H61 board = $64 + $50 = $114.

However, against popular opinion, I still went with an AMD rig. Why? I just really love the practice of overclocking. Intel's K series is where it's at but is just priced out of my budget. So if you have the urge to OC, I would recommend:

X4 965 BE + ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ mobo = $120 + $80 = $200.

Using Anandtech's Bench, the X4 965 BE @3.4GHz stock gives about 45% more performance that an X2 555BE @3.2GHz stock. Note that the 45% figure is skewed by apps that utilizes 4 cores. For games (Crysis Warhead, Far Cry 2, Fallout 3, and Left for Dead) it is closer to 20% difference at their stock speeds. An OCd X4 965 BE should be enough to feed your GTX 470.