Value DDR3 board + Proc, AMD or Intel?

[AtenRa]

I'm posting from an AMD machine right now

The 555 is a dual core.

Aten isn't the 4100 a dual core with HT? I don't really care for HT from either camp.

Wouldn't the 955 be a better deal than the 4100 for $90?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113007

I got a system with a Phenom II 555 and a 470 for $40, but it came with a busted board with 2x1GB DDR2, it's not doing that well in a lot of the things I'm trying to use it for and I think it's because of the ram. Two of the ram slots simply don't work, dual channel isn't an option, nor is reusing this ram while adding more.

I have extra DDR3, so I'm thinking my options are:

Buy an AMD cpu and board.

Buy a DDR3 board only reuse 555.

Buy an Intel chip and board.

What games are you going to play with that system ??

I would get a nice AM3+ board and OC that 555. Then you could upgrade to PileDriver. The GTX470 will be your limited factor if you play at 1080p in most of todays games. Of course there are some games like SC2, skyrim that run better with Intel and BF3 MP that needs a quad core and up but for the rest you will be ok even with the Dual Core PII 555

 

[tulx]

The intel 620 a $55 cpu, will decimate the 4100 in any cpu intensive game.

In most of scenarious you won't be able to tell the difference between a 620, FX 4100 and 2500k in games, because they will all be limited by the graphics card. In a budged system, they will most definitely be limited by the graphics card.
If you are unable to present your opinion in a balanced and unemotinal way, you invalidate your own arguments. The Intel 620 is a decent CPU for that budget and certainly an option, however, when recommended by a raging fanboy, I'd start having second thougts.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Yeah I have a 470 I'll be using.

When do the i3 ivy bridge chips come out?

June 24th will be the launch.

 

[borisvodofsky]

In most of scenarious you won't be able to tell the difference between a 620, FX 4100 and 2500k in games, because they will all be limited by the graphics card. In a budged system, they will most definitely be limited by the graphics card.
If you are unable to present your opinion in a balanced and unemotinal way, you invalidate your own arguments. The Intel 620 is a decent CPU for that budget and certainly an option, however, when recommended by a raging fanboy, I'd start having second thougts.

You won't be able to tell the difference between xxxxxxxxxx and 2500k???

most people with a 2500k are at 4.5+ghz. no difference you say?

I'm not a raging fan-boi. my previous computer was an opteron 185 @ 3.0ghz, and I loved it to death.

Why did I love such an old machine. Because the price to performance ratio when I bought it was extremely high.

On the other hand the FX4100 gives you a crappy price to performance ratio.

the $200 bracket is conducive to this problem, because it's the middle ground in terms of the p2p ratio.

-not quite high enough to get the BEST ratio, which would be 2500k / 3570k

-yet it's much higher than an equivalent p2p ratio-ed lower end system.


So if one's not willing to go up to $300-350 for an i5 2500k/ 3570k

It is best we stay UNDER $100.


because between $100-200, it's full of garbage like the fx4100

 

[borisvodofsky]

June 24th will be the launch.

i3 is ridiculously priced. the higher i3 and i5 cost the same as the unlocked versions.

Why would you spend that much, when nearly half of their ability is locked away.

 

[pelov]

i3 is ridiculously priced. the higher i3 and i5 cost the same as the unlocked versions.

Why would you spend that much, when nearly half of their ability is locked away.

because with a single GTX470 it doesn't matter. Furthermore, a single unlocked i5 takes up his entire budget.

The difference between an i3 and an i5 in a GPU bottlenecked scenario (which is basically anything except a GTX6xx/79xx crossfire) is slim. The added $$ to an i5 is better spent on an upgraded GPU than it is on a better CPU.

On CPU bottlenecked games (Blizzard titles for example) you'll get high FPS with an i3 anyway.

 

[Don Karnage]

i3 is ridiculously priced. the higher i3 and i5 cost the same as the unlocked versions.

Why would you spend that much, when nearly half of their ability is locked away.

Check out my passmark thread. I3 3240 uses and abuses an FX-4170 and you can overclock the I3's alittle. Just up the Bclk.

 

[paperwastage]

I'm posting from an AMD machine right now

The 555 is a dual core.

i keep forgetting that.... I always kept the 550/555 in my mind as a quad core since I unlocked my 550 to a quad (but not always guaranteed)

in that case, a 555 vs G620, definitely G620

A cheapo SB i3 with an H6x/H7x motherboard.

http://ark.intel.com/compare/53480,53426

biggest diff = 0.5ghz clockspeed and hyperthreading (and quicksync and IGP, useless if you buy a H61 and discrete card)

0.5ghz / 3ghz ~ 20% difference, hyperthreading adds maybe another 20% = total around 30-50% difference for twice the cost

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120.html
benchmarks b/w i3 , G620, Phenom II x2/x4, FX-4100

I'd just save the extra $60 right now and invest it... wait a couple of years and use it to upgrade to an i5

 

[borisvodofsky]

Check out my passmark thread. I3 3240 uses and abuses an FX-4170 and you can overclock the I3's alittle. Just up the Bclk.

Lets say the new i3 is $100-120, sounds bought right. you up the bclk, get 6000 passmark

the 2500k/3570k is $150-170, overclocked to 4.8, it gets around 9500-10000 passmark

the 2500k/3570k is still slightly ahead of the i3 performance/ dollar,

ontop of that
2133mhz+ memory speeds
6mb cache:biggrin:

 

[borisvodofsky]

i keep forgetting that.... I always kept the 550/555 in my mind as a quad core since I unlocked my 550 to a quad (but not always guaranteed)

in that case, a 555 vs G620, definitely G620


http://ark.intel.com/compare/53480,53426

biggest diff = 0.5ghz clockspeed and hyperthreading (and quicksync and IGP, useless if you buy a H61 and discrete card)

0.5ghz / 3ghz ~ 20% difference, hyperthreading adds maybe another 20% = total around 30-50% difference for twice the cost

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120.html
benchmarks b/w i3 , G620, Phenom II x2/x4, FX-4100

I'd just save the extra $60 right now and invest it... wait a couple of years and use it to upgrade to an i5

Good post there.

If you look closely at the STARCRAFT 2 benchmark (a cpu heavy game) the STOCK g630 is 4% behind the OVERCLOCK 4.5ghz fx4100.

G620 performs nearly identical to the g630, - 3.8% clock speed. So lets say the difference between G620 and fx4100 is 8%.

G620+ECS_Motherboard: 100% performance_$55 + $15

FX4100 (overclocked) + Asrock_970_Motherboard: 108% performance_ $109.99 + $79.99

so you'd be paying, $120 extra for 8% performance gain on the 4100.

Ludicrous..

You see why AtenRa is terribly wrong now?? He's recommending you to spend $120 extra for 8% increase in performance.

 

[paperwastage]

2133mhz+ memory speeds

stop trolling





tldr of thread: bulldozer is terrible for your situation, don't buy it

i3/i5/i7 isn't worth the $

1) buy a decent mobo for your 555 that can overclock AND unlock... My MSI 785GM-E65 cost me <$100 and was able to unlock and overclock my 550... definitely can find a similarly priced updated version

2) buy a G620 (~$60) + mobo (~$60) = $120, for similar performance to your 555... sell your 555 or something... save the rest of the $ for future upgrades, or get a decent GPU

3) look at llano (someone chime in with this in more detail).. .might get away with no discrete graphics

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Let's keep this discussion on me, I'm not going to buy an i5-2500k for it down the road I already have a 56x i5.

Where do you guys see the 4100 overclocked in the toms review???

 

[Rvenger]

Lets say the new i3 is $100-120, sounds bought right. you up the bclk, get 6000 passmark

the 2500k/3570k is $150-170, overclocked to 4.8, it gets around 9500-10000 passmark

the 2500k/3570k is still slightly ahead of the i3 performance/ dollar,

ontop of that
2133mhz+ memory speeds
6mb cache:biggrin:

Maybe a used and abused 2500k would go for that price but your prices are wrong. Not everyone has a MC so don't quote MC prices.


2133+ memory speeds are a waste. He has a main rig for a reason. Please quit derailing the thread because an i5 is out of the question.


Balla, are you even considering the FX4100? Bulldozers are very easy to OC and the FX4100 should get OK power consumption if you don't run it past 4.4ghz.

 

[pelov]

Let's keep this discussion on me, I'm not going to buy an i5-2500k for it down the road I already have a 56x i5.

Where do you guys see the 4100 overclocked in the toms review???

Depends on how high you get it to clock. In general, though, the FX4100 will roughly perform the same as a 955 OC'd and maybe slightly worse.

I'd definitely recommend going with 4 threads, though, which is why I recommended the i3 SB. 2 SB cores are great but with 4 threads you'll have your multitasking options covered as well as the games that utilize 4 threads as well (of which Starcraft II isn't. Blizzard games are the worst threaded games in all of gaming history).

 

[paperwastage]

I'd definitely recommend going with 4 threads, though, which is why I recommended the i3 SB. 2 SB cores are great but with 4 threads you'll have your multitasking options covered as well as the games that utilize 4 threads as well (of which Starcraft II isn't. Blizzard games are the worst threaded games in all of gaming history).

true, but i3 is twice the price of the G620.... clock speed is 20% higher, HT gives maybe another 20%... twice the price for 50% more speed?... if OP really wants to spend $200, then sure, this fits

I don't think OP said what kind of gaming too.... <---------- answer this?

 

[AtenRa]

Good post there.

If you look closely at the STARCRAFT 2 benchmark (a cpu heavy game) the STOCK g630 is 4% behind the OVERCLOCK 4.5ghz fx4100.

G620 performs nearly identical to the g630, - 3.8% clock speed. So lets say the difference between G620 and fx4100 is 8%.

G620+ECS_Motherboard: 100% performance_$55 + $15

FX4100 (overclocked) + Asrock_970_Motherboard: 108% performance_ $109.99 + $79.99

so you'd be paying, $120 extra for 8% performance gain on the 4100.

Ludicrous..

You see why AtenRa is terribly wrong now?? He's recommending you to spend $120 extra for 8% increase in performance.

You see why borisvodofsky is terribly wrong now?? Taking a single cherry picked game is the best he can do.

 

[ShintaiDK]

He is? Where is the G620/G630 in your chart?

Plus you use a game that benched dont need any CPU power:

But again, WHY should he pay much more money to get your FX spaceheater? And gain NOTHING?

 

[AtenRa]

He is? Where is the G620/G630 in your chart?

Do you believe the G620/G630 are faster than Core i5 2500K in this game ???

If i will only take this graph the FX4170 is faster that 2500K, that means it is a better CPU

 

[pelov]

true, but i3 is twice the price of the G620.... clock speed is 20% higher, HT gives maybe another 20%... twice the price for 50% more speed?... if OP really wants to spend $200, then sure, this fits

I don't think OP said what kind of gaming too.... <---------- answer this?

Why does it matter? Why limit yourself to poorly threaded games on the CPU side? Most games go up to 4 threads max with very very few going over that and the i3 covers most bases very well including the multithreading/multitasking requirement he stated:

What's going to give me the best performance per dollar right now in gaming with some minor background tasks running, like pandora, skype, vent?

The two added threads will help him here and it's worth the extra cash.

Go with the i3 SB and an 1155 motherboard. You'll have enough CPU power and your bottleneck in gaming will only be that 470 Fermi card.

 

[blckgrffn]

Stopping @ MC tomorrow to pick up a bundle for a friend. I think for $200 you could nearly get a i5 and a clearance (ie, opened but complete) ASUS z68 board.

Let's face it, that combo is going to be untouchable by anything mentioned here once you turn it up to its max turbo bin and leave it there.

Darn, sorry. Looks like the i5 2400 (which was $140 in store) is gone. Still, take a gander at the ad.

@ Pelov below - yes, I know. I will be in store tomorrow. So... if he found a shiny thing he wanted in the ad... Like an Asrock Pro3 and a i3-2100... Or an A8-3870k and Gigabyte A75 for ~$160 + tax.

 

[AtenRa]

But again, WHY should he pay much more money to get your FX spaceheater? And gain NOTHING?

He said he is willing to pay up to $200. For that price i believe the FX4100 + 970 AM3+ motherboard is the better combination for price/performance and features.

He can also play with OC

 

[pelov]

Edit: In store deals are not an option, no MC or Frys where I am, unless someone wants to take my money and spend me a bundle deal for a little compensation of course

 

[skipsneeky2]

I could certainly wager that a i3 like the 2100 is worth its premium or the upcoming ivy i3 models might be worth waiting for.

Had a i3 2100 and that little chip held up very well,even in BF3 so this chip is really a chip i could tell someone to consider for a gaming build if matched with a gtx560/6870 gpu.

Enough threads,benchmarks and tests sold me on how much powerful it was over any amd quad core for gaming and i could say for certain,it was a blast to play with.

 

[borisvodofsky]

He said he is willing to pay up to $200. For that price i believe the FX4100 + 970 AM3+ motherboard is the better combination for price/performance and features.

He can also play with OC

No wrong. it's so much worse in terms of price/performance ratio.

I already did the tabulations for you in a previous post, you evil evil person.


the G620 @ stock settings is within 10% of FX4100 @ 4.5ghz.

the ECS motherboard is $15 + $55 for the G620

AtenRa's recommended setup cost $120 more, and gives only 10% increase in performance.

that has to be the worst advice ever.

There is no point in playing with OC, if that OC is garbage.

 

[AtenRa]

I already did the tabulations for you in a previous post, you evil evil person.

AtenRa's recommended setup cost $120 more, and gives only 10% increase in performance.

that has to be the worst advice ever.

Next time you call me out i will report you. That was your last warning.

There is no point in playing with OC, if that OC is garbage.

I know what you mean (2400 vs OC 2500) :whiste: