Valerie Plame Wilson - "FAIR GAME" - her book is now available!

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Tab
I'll have to read it sometime, but I am currently working on Atlas Shrugged... 🙂

For those who finished; is it worth reading?

definately. One of my all time favorites.

<- waits for the "you don't say" comments. 😛

 

[wetech]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

President Bush said yesterday that he will fire anyone in the administration found to have committed a crime in the leaking of a CIA operative's name


Yep and he fired how many again... oh yea. :roll:

Just ANOTHER reason he will go down as one of the worst prez's in history.

The only person indicted, let alone convicted of a crime in this mess, was Libby. It's hard to fire someone who resigns before the trial was over.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: umbrella39
You mean that book that TLC read before it came out is finally out? Imagine that.

Edit: My, she is not a bad looking lady at all..

It's called Photoshop. Dig up some non-shopped pictures of her. She's definitely not a dog by any means, but she doesn't quite look like the photo on the book cover.

Yeah, PS will do wonders. Going to see if I can find some older photos when she was younger.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: Craig234
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I did see one error I think she made, when she said she saw Bush say he'd remove anyone involved in leaking her name; his press secretary said that was his position. Bush just said he's take appropriate action (i.e., commute their sentences to prevent their talking too much).

I'm pretty sure you're wrong. I distinctly recall Bush stating on camera (in his righteous, angry pious tone of voice) that he would immediately the leaker if found. Later, when Scooter was indicted this statement was rebroadcast several times. At that point Bush's mouthpiece amended/reinterpreted his earlier statement to say that he would do the firing after the court process had run its course.

Its all academic-as we all know now, Bush did neither-but in fact stymied the legal process by issuing his royal pardon to Scooter Libby once he was convicted and sentenced. Noone every served a day in prison, or even had any job action against them, for exposing a CIA agent for the purpose of political revenge.

Lets get this cleared up, Libby was never indicted nor convicted of leaking Plame. He was indicted and convicted of obstruction of justice/purjury.

Furthermore Armitage was the one who leaked the info to the press. The State Dept kept quiet about knowing that until well into the investigation.

President Bush said yesterday that he will fire anyone in the administration found to have committed a crime in the leaking of a CIA operative's name


Yep and he fired how many again... oh yea. :roll:

Just ANOTHER reason he will go down as one of the worst prez's in history.

Thank you for the correction - I hedged with 'I think' because I was not quite sure. So,I saw no errors at all in her 60 minutes statements then.

TLC is such a blind ideologue that he can't keep straight the relevant questions, such as 'was Wilson's trip a junket', 'did his wife select him for reasons of nepotism (or at all for that matter), and 'was Wilson a great choice for the mission', with his irrelevant question, 'did she play any role whatsoever'. I guess had she not said a word, just by being married to him might have reminded people of him; if she packed his bag, she had 'some role' in his going on the trip.

Wilson was the ideal choice for the mission - he understood Iraq:

Wiki:

From 1988 to 1991, he was the Deputy Chief of Mission (to U.S. Ambassador to Iraq April Catherine Glaspie) at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, Iraq. In the wake of Iraq's 1990 Invasion of Kuwait, he became the last American diplomat to meet with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, telling him in very clear terms to "get out of Kuwait" When Hussein sent a note to Wilson (along with other embassy heads in Baghdad) threatening to execute anyone sheltering foreigners in Iraq, Wilson publicly repudiated the dictator by appearing at a press conference wearing a homemade noose around his neck, and declaring, "If the choice is to allow American citizens to be taken hostage or to be executed, I will bring my own fucking rope."

Despite Hussein's threats, Wilson sheltered more than one hundred Americans at the embassy, and successfully evacuated several thousand people (Americans and other nationals) from the country. He was praised by President George H. W. Bush for his actions: "...when I arrived back in Washington on January 13, 1991, the very next day I was in the Oval Office ... The President introduced me to his War Cabinet as a true American hero."

And he was the guy who had helped the government officials whose help was needed get into power, so they owed him and would be helpful to him.

Finally, he had also done missions for the CIA before.

The rightys here are such blind ideologues they can't see what's important, they can only try to assassinate the 'enemy' for whatever absurd issue.

Nevermind that he was a loyal American who was in a position to know the President was saying something unture (whoever had put it in the speech) and he needed to say so.

That's called patriotism, not treating the Republican party like a crime family to be put ahead of the national interest and the law.

 

[Craig234]

Here's the 60 Minutes segment - click 'video' then '60 minutes':

link

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: Craig234
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I did see one error I think she made, when she said she saw Bush say he'd remove anyone involved in leaking her name; his press secretary said that was his position. Bush just said he's take appropriate action (i.e., commute their sentences to prevent their talking too much).

I'm pretty sure you're wrong. I distinctly recall Bush stating on camera (in his righteous, angry pious tone of voice) that he would immediately the leaker if found. Later, when Scooter was indicted this statement was rebroadcast several times. At that point Bush's mouthpiece amended/reinterpreted his earlier statement to say that he would do the firing after the court process had run its course.

Its all academic-as we all know now, Bush did neither-but in fact stymied the legal process by issuing his royal pardon to Scooter Libby once he was convicted and sentenced. Noone every served a day in prison, or even had any job action against them, for exposing a CIA agent for the purpose of political revenge.

Lets get this cleared up, Libby was never indicted nor convicted of leaking Plame. He was indicted and convicted of obstruction of justice/purjury.

Furthermore Armitage was the one who leaked the info to the press. The State Dept kept quiet about knowing that until well into the investigation.

President Bush said yesterday that he will fire anyone in the administration found to have committed a crime in the leaking of a CIA operative's name


Yep and he fired how many again... oh yea. :roll:

Just ANOTHER reason he will go down as one of the worst prez's in history.

Thank you for the correction - I hedged with 'I think' because I was not quite sure. So,I saw no errors at all in her 60 minutes statements then.

TLC is such a blind ideologue that he can't keep straight the relevant questions, such as 'was Wilson's trip a junket', 'did his wife select him for reasons of nepotism (or at all for that matter), and 'was Wilson a great choice for the mission', with his irrelevant question, 'did she play any role whatsoever'. I guess had she not said a word, just by being married to him might have reminded people of him; if she packed his bag, she had 'some role' in his going on the trip.

Wilson was the ideal choice for the mission - he understood Iraq:

Wiki:

From 1988 to 1991, he was the Deputy Chief of Mission (to U.S. Ambassador to Iraq April Catherine Glaspie) at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, Iraq. In the wake of Iraq's 1990 Invasion of Kuwait, he became the last American diplomat to meet with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, telling him in very clear terms to "get out of Kuwait" When Hussein sent a note to Wilson (along with other embassy heads in Baghdad) threatening to execute anyone sheltering foreigners in Iraq, Wilson publicly repudiated the dictator by appearing at a press conference wearing a homemade noose around his neck, and declaring, "If the choice is to allow American citizens to be taken hostage or to be executed, I will bring my own fucking rope."

Despite Hussein's threats, Wilson sheltered more than one hundred Americans at the embassy, and successfully evacuated several thousand people (Americans and other nationals) from the country. He was praised by President George H. W. Bush for his actions: "...when I arrived back in Washington on January 13, 1991, the very next day I was in the Oval Office ... The President introduced me to his War Cabinet as a true American hero."

And he was the guy who had helped the government officials whose help was needed get into power, so they owed him and would be helpful to him.

Finally, he had also done missions for the CIA before.

The rightys here are such blind ideologues they can't see what's important, they can only try to assassinate the 'enemy' for whatever absurd issue.

Nevermind that he was a loyal American who was in a position to know the President was saying something unture (whoever had put it in the speech) and he needed to say so.

That's called patriotism, not treating the Republican party like a crime family to be put ahead of the national interest and the law.

lol. Guess you didn't read through the entire thread before posting that?

"Ideologue." The irony

 

[Stoneburner]

This is another distortion. Libby was leaking. He was not the source for novak. That was armitage and rove. But rove and libby were leaking to everybody.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
This is another distortion. Libby was leaking. He was not the source for novak. That was armitage and rove. But rove and libby were leaking to everybody.

I'm curious to see where you got your info from, do you have any links. Also, if thats the case, why wasn't Libby charged with that?

 

[Stoneburner]

MSNBC. Watch their coverage from the last 3 years.

He wasn't charged because

1) The statute for criminality is difficult
2) HE LIED AND COVERED UP.

It's all very simple really. Some people obfuscate the facts for partisan purposes. Problem is, Fitzgerald is very non-partisan and is conservative leaning if anything.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
This is another distortion. Libby was leaking. He was not the source for novak. That was armitage and rove. But rove and libby were leaking to everybody.

I'm curious to see where you got your info from, do you have any links. Also, if thats the case, why wasn't Libby charged with that?

The law states that only the original leaker can be charged, AND if they can prove his intent. Armitage was the original leaker, but they couldn't prove intent, so no indictments from there.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
http://www.amazon.com/Fair-Gam...&qid=1193094387&sr=8-2

Should answer everybody's questions about this affair. I know somebody here managed to read it before it was released (Hi tlc 🙂) but the rest of us can finally learn what the person in the center of this mess has to say.

Anyone who works at a book store could have read the book by now. New releases usually show up around Thursday or Friday of the week before they go on sale.

Or anyone who works for a newspaper that was provided a 'review copy' of the book.

Also looking to a book written by one of the people involved in this scandal for answers is a waste of time. Wait until a good reporter writes a book that includes information for all the various parties out there. Not just the side of the Plame and Wilson who have a lot of want to hide.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
http://www.amazon.com/Fair-Gam...&qid=1193094387&sr=8-2

Should answer everybody's questions about this affair. I know somebody here managed to read it before it was released (Hi tlc 🙂) but the rest of us can finally learn what the person in the center of this mess has to say.

Anyone who works at a book store could have read the book by now. New releases usually show up around Thursday or Friday of the week before they go on sale.

Or anyone who works for a newspaper that was provided a 'review copy' of the book.

Also looking to a book written by one of the people involved in this scandal for answers is a waste of time. Wait until a good reporter writes a book that includes information for all the various parties out there. Not just the side of the Plame and Wilson who have a lot of want to hide.

Let him have his fun. If I wasn't such a thorn in the lefty side in here they wouldn't pay me so much attention. I'm flattered he quotes me.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
http://www.amazon.com/Fair-Gam...&qid=1193094387&sr=8-2

Should answer everybody's questions about this affair. I know somebody here managed to read it before it was released (Hi tlc 🙂) but the rest of us can finally learn what the person in the center of this mess has to say.

Anyone who works at a book store could have read the book by now. New releases usually show up around Thursday or Friday of the week before they go on sale.

Or anyone who works for a newspaper that was provided a 'review copy' of the book.

Also looking to a book written by one of the people involved in this scandal for answers is a waste of time. Wait until a good reporter writes a book that includes information for all the various parties out there. Not just the side of the Plame and Wilson who have a lot of want to hide.

You are a true POS. What does PLame have to hide? Somebody can risk her life in service to this nation and because her story is INCONVENIENT to your cause you don't trust her? Give me one reason why you doubt her veracity? The hell has she done?

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
http://www.amazon.com/Fair-Gam...&qid=1193094387&sr=8-2

Should answer everybody's questions about this affair. I know somebody here managed to read it before it was released (Hi tlc 🙂) but the rest of us can finally learn what the person in the center of this mess has to say.

Anyone who works at a book store could have read the book by now. New releases usually show up around Thursday or Friday of the week before they go on sale.

Or anyone who works for a newspaper that was provided a 'review copy' of the book.

Also looking to a book written by one of the people involved in this scandal for answers is a waste of time. Wait until a good reporter writes a book that includes information for all the various parties out there. Not just the side of the Plame and Wilson who have a lot of want to hide.

Let him have his fun. If I wasn't such a thorn in the lefty side in here they wouldn't pay me so much attention. I'm flattered he quotes me.

You're a thorn? No you're just a blathering idiot with no credibility who tells blatant lies. Very stupid lies too.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
http://www.amazon.com/Fair-Gam...&qid=1193094387&sr=8-2

Should answer everybody's questions about this affair. I know somebody here managed to read it before it was released (Hi tlc 🙂) but the rest of us can finally learn what the person in the center of this mess has to say.

Anyone who works at a book store could have read the book by now. New releases usually show up around Thursday or Friday of the week before they go on sale.

Or anyone who works for a newspaper that was provided a 'review copy' of the book.

Also looking to a book written by one of the people involved in this scandal for answers is a waste of time. Wait until a good reporter writes a book that includes information for all the various parties out there. Not just the side of the Plame and Wilson who have a lot of want to hide.

Let him have his fun. If I wasn't such a thorn in the lefty side in here they wouldn't pay me so much attention. I'm flattered he quotes me.

You're a thorn? No you're just a blathering idiot with no credibility who tells blatant lies. Very stupid lies too.

Run out of meds too soon this week?

 

[Craig234]

ProfJohn, stop with the lies. Wilson and Plame are patriots who were wronged by wrongdoers, it's that simply. You can't back up your slander.

 

[bryanl]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUYBTW, I watched that 60 minutes puff piece by kuric and was nothing more than a one sided misinformation piece. I probably won't read her story unless someone who has already read it lends it to me. There is no way I am going to spend my money to read her little sob story.

Specifically what did Ms. Plame say that was misinformation?

I simply can't imagine the CIA requesting a Justice Dept. investigation and prosecution into the leak of Plame's identity if she had been a mere "secretary," as some of her detractors labelled her, rather than an actual covert agent.

 

[Gaard]

Slightly OT - has there been any righty members who have said the leaking of Plame's identity was wrong, has there been any lefty members who have said there was no wrongdoing here?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
MSNBC. Watch their coverage from the last 3 years.

He wasn't charged because

1) The statute for criminality is difficult
2) HE LIED AND COVERED UP.

It's all very simple really. Some people obfuscate the facts for partisan purposes. Problem is, Fitzgerald is very non-partisan and is conservative leaning if anything.

You really buy that? A grand Jury is basically one sided situation where a prosecutor presents his side of the case and they determine if there is enough to warrant a charge. If you cant get a grand jury to indict anybody, the case has to be beyond pathetic.

Criminality can be determined at trial.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Slightly OT - has there been any righty members who have said the leaking of Plame's identity was wrong, has there been any lefty members who have said there was no wrongdoing here?

Ofcourse the leak was "wrong". Armitage should have been held to account for doing that but Fitz didn't give him much of a look and instead when around trying to "get" someone. However, Armitage may have had an out anyway since Joe himself had put her name out there at one time and her "cover" had been compromised to some extent years ago.
But yes, Armitage's "leak" was "wrong" and he should have known better. Do you think him "leaking" it was malicious? or part of a plan to "ruin" Joe and her?

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
MSNBC. Watch their coverage from the last 3 years.

He wasn't charged because

1) The statute for criminality is difficult
2) HE LIED AND COVERED UP.

It's all very simple really. Some people obfuscate the facts for partisan purposes. Problem is, Fitzgerald is very non-partisan and is conservative leaning if anything.

You really buy that? A grand Jury is basically one sided situation where a prosecutor presents his side of the case and they determine if there is enough to warrant a charge. If you cant get a grand jury to indict anybody, the case has to be beyond pathetic.

Criminality can be determined at trial.

No lawyer are you. Fitzgerald has a reputation for only bringing charges that will stick at trial.

Try again.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Slightly OT - has there been any righty members who have said the leaking of Plame's identity was wrong, has there been any lefty members who have said there was no wrongdoing here?

Are you trying to imply that the right wing people are being reasonable and the left wingers are not? Why would people say there was no wrongdoing here when there obviously was? Just because someone tells you black is white doesn't mean you meet them in the middle and call it grey.

Genx, while you're right that the standard of evidence for a grand jury is usually fairly low (and certainly way way lower then to convict someone), the statute as written is pretty difficult to gain a conviction under and so it's not super surprising that Fitzgerald was not able to amass sufficient evidence to get an indictment issued, particularly in light of the lying and stonewalling he was facing from all people with knowledge of the crime. In fact, if I'm not mistaken Fitzgerald said something to the effect that the perjury of Libby and likely others prevented him from pursuing his actual investigation.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: michal1980
you mean how she had nothing to do with he husband being sent oversears?

or how libby did not leak her name?

But right wing talking points you mean this pesky little thing called 'facts'

as opposed to what the left likes using called 'lies'. oh wait. its easier if you make up stuff.

You realize that everything you just posted is incorrect? You were hammered so hard with right wing distortion you actually believe it! Did you know Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11?

Thank You for purchasing all my tin foil hats at my last sale!

You did know that 9/11 was not an inside job????

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
MSNBC. Watch their coverage from the last 3 years.

He wasn't charged because

1) The statute for criminality is difficult
2) HE LIED AND COVERED UP.

It's all very simple really. Some people obfuscate the facts for partisan purposes. Problem is, Fitzgerald is very non-partisan and is conservative leaning if anything.

You really buy that? A grand Jury is basically one sided situation where a prosecutor presents his side of the case and they determine if there is enough to warrant a charge. If you cant get a grand jury to indict anybody, the case has to be beyond pathetic.

Criminality can be determined at trial.

No lawyer are you. Fitzgerald has a reputation for only bringing charges that will stick at trial.

Try again.

Like I said, didnt have a case.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: michal1980
you mean how she had nothing to do with he husband being sent oversears?

or how libby did not leak her name?

But right wing talking points you mean this pesky little thing called 'facts'

as opposed to what the left likes using called 'lies'. oh wait. its easier if you make up stuff.

You realize that everything you just posted is incorrect? You were hammered so hard with right wing distortion you actually believe it! Did you know Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11?

Thank You for purchasing all my tin foil hats at my last sale!

You did know that 9/11 was not an inside job????

?!?! Maybe my joke-meter is broken, but if this post was serious you are an idiot.