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[KokomoGST]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: KokomoGST
Actually it's been proven that under most conditions, a state-of-the-art 4channel ABS system will have shorter stopping distances than even the best threshold braking.

Except on wet pavement, snow, ice, gravel, sand, or anything other than perfectly dry pavement. Fully locked wheels stop in HALF the distance of ABS on ice. ABS adds 20% to 30% to the stopping distance over full lockup in snow, on gravel and on sand. ABS is just a little bit worse on wet pavement (assuming no hydroplaning). I'll have to dig up the Road & Track comparison that was done a while back which proved this.

ZV

EDIT: R&T's testing also proved that the "wedge of snow" theory about why locked wheels stop faster in the snow is a myth.

Well, during motorsports... most events are run in the dry... but I'm curious as to why standard braking is superior to today's more advanced 4channel ABS systems in the wet? I can understand typical consumer 3 channel and crude 4channel ones... I know MB's ABS systems on some cars don't just simply pulse the brakes.

 

[KokomoGST]

Originally posted by: boyRacer

I dont have a link for you but on this months F1 Racing magazine... they have a feature of what would have been if the FIA did not ban all the driver aids and aerodynamic advances in Formula One from the beginning... their car had ground effects, active suspension, AWD, turbos, slicks, and ABS, etc... estimated to be 15-20 sec faster than the current F1 cars. I think I have an old Road and Track issue where they explored the same thing including traction control and ABS and ground effects... i'll look for it if you want. The 1992 Williams-Renault FW14B and 1993 FW15 were the most advanced F1 cars ever since they had the afformentioned active suspension, traction control and anti-lock brakes, etc... they held lap records that were only currently broken in the last year or two due to the aerodynamic advancements during the last 7-8 years.

EDIT: IIRC... when Porsche entered their 911 GT1 in the FIA GT in 1996-97... it had ABS... and all the driver had to do was stomp on the pedal as hard as he can as late as he can and the car will do everything for him... 😀 ...well that got banned too. 🙁

That article sounds cool... gotta read that. Though I highly doubt F1 would ever accept AWD total because of the added weight penalty of the system in a car that's already struggling to save more and more weight. Also, I was under the impression that most of the lap records from that era were more due to the massive power boost of forced induction and active suspensions more than traction control and electronic driver aids.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Oh, V8 Supercar is a class of racing in Australia.

 

[Aharami]

holy crap....i just downloaded at 2.5Mb/sec!!! love the T3 connection here at work

 

[zimu]

Originally posted by: Aharami
holy crap....i just downloaded at 2.5Mb/sec!!! love the T3 connection here at work

do the files work? which one doesn't, i'll reupload!

 

[zimu]

Originally posted by: zimu

Originally posted by: Aharami
holy crap....i just downloaded at 2.5Mb/sec!!! love the T3 connection here at work

do the files work? which one doesn't, i'll reupload!

ttt. can someone please confirm the two files as working please?

 

[thomsbrain]

WRC cars are the LAST cars you would want ABS in. they purposely lock the wheels to get those slides going.

a really good driver can modulate better than ABS pulsates. but 99% of the drivers on the road aren't that good. although i can modulate, i'm not going to lie and say i'm better off without ABS. i'd rather not have it on the track, but stomp and forget is best in the real world by far. you gotta realize that on a track you can see it all coming. you're in that "mode" and ready for action. in the real world, you're in a panic situation and probably trying to swerve to avoid other cars or animals or whatever. unless you're mario andretti, you are not going to be modulating properly in a situation like that. the racers who lock their brakes are proof of this: even the best drivers still fail to modulate properly in a panic situation.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: KokomoGST

Originally posted by: boyRacer

I dont have a link for you but on this months F1 Racing magazine... they have a feature of what would have been if the FIA did not ban all the driver aids and aerodynamic advances in Formula One from the beginning... their car had ground effects, active suspension, AWD, turbos, slicks, and ABS, etc... estimated to be 15-20 sec faster than the current F1 cars. I think I have an old Road and Track issue where they explored the same thing including traction control and ABS and ground effects... i'll look for it if you want. The 1992 Williams-Renault FW14B and 1993 FW15 were the most advanced F1 cars ever since they had the afformentioned active suspension, traction control and anti-lock brakes, etc... they held lap records that were only currently broken in the last year or two due to the aerodynamic advancements during the last 7-8 years.

EDIT: IIRC... when Porsche entered their 911 GT1 in the FIA GT in 1996-97... it had ABS... and all the driver had to do was stomp on the pedal as hard as he can as late as he can and the car will do everything for him... 😀 ...well that got banned too. 🙁

That article sounds cool... gotta read that. Though I highly doubt F1 would ever accept AWD total because of the added weight penalty of the system in a car that's already struggling to save more and more weight. Also, I was under the impression that most of the lap records from that era were more due to the massive power boost of forced induction and active suspensions more than traction control and electronic driver aids.

IIRC... the FW14B were 3.5L V10s... even if they were still using "rocket fuel"... the current cars are already making more than that... now if the FIA would just put slicks again... i think we're going to see some crazy times... 😀 I think these driver aids all add up as i'm sure theres a couple of things a computer could do better than an "average" F1 driver. When traction control was introduced again... i believe it was 2001?... Mika Hakkinen turned his off as he felt he had slightly better control over his car during qualifying... :Q... well he got pole... but in the rain... all the mediocre drivers wouldn't look so good if they didnt have traction control. 😀

 

[LS20]

abs = more weight

anyways, for safety reasons, its advised that if you lose control, you should put both feet to the floor--ie clutch and brake--to make your line more predictable.

trying to correct a spinning car = unpredictable = gets other caught up = big no-no

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: lowfatbaconboy
hrm ok.....still think that would make the car understeer some but whatever

well if anything... if you lock your tires under hardbraking... that would cause you to understeer a lot more...