***UTTERLY DISGUSTED*** So I just got back from IXP.NET seminar thingy: (Grab yourselves some popcorn..)

LOLyourFace

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(previously on ATOT)

*A 'friend' invited me to a multi-level marketing seminar.
*I just got back, utterly disgusted. Here's the follow-up:

Chapter 1: Welcome to My Nightmare...
So I decided to attend the event after Sunday school out of good gesture. I arrived at the Double Tree hotel in Waltham, MA around 2pm-ish. My friend Bill greeted me and regurgitated the same 'you're gonna meet some powerful people here' phrase. At this point, I realized that he truly believed in his company and sincerely wanted me to experience what he went through. Good, I thought. I was no longer offended because I initially thought he 'invited' me to this seminar because he assumed I was gullible enough to fall into his multi-marketing scheme.

Realizing it was evidently false, I decided to be optimistic and just have a good time with Bill and the adventure with his company. But little did I know my worst nightmare would come true in next two hours...

Chapter 2: Everyone worships Michael Mo
The hotel was beautiful with the luxurious marble-finish lobby welcoming the crew. I was surprised to see about twenty to thirty people casually mingling with one another before the seminar. Bill placed his hand on my back and said, "Let's introduce you to my people." And he did. I noticed that everyone was young, around my age and older. (21~) They also looked very sharp. Young eager minds dressed in crisp suits and flashy shoes, I noticed most of them also boasted a lot of nice looking watches and jewelry. The ladies were very attractive as well as if to outdress the already handsome gentlemen.

Bill introduced me to about twenty people before the seminar. By the beginning of the seminar, I realized that people were obviously trained/told to be extra friendly with the newcomers. Every single one of them made flattering remarks about me the moment I shook their hands and gave me exaggerated irrelevant compliments as if they already knew me. "You seem like you'll be a great leader!" "You seem like you're very open minded!" "You'll meet some powerful figures today, including the district CEO, Michael Mo himself!"

Now let me indulge in more phrases regarding this Michael Mo. "He's the greatest leader you'll ever come across in your life." "He's only 21 and is making 6 digits already, we all try to follow his footsteps." "We celebrated his birthday last month. We all came and cooked and played basketball together, he's very down to earth!" I could not believe my ears. Who is this Michael Mo every single freaking person are talking about? And why do they all individually talk to me about him in unison? I felt like I was in a business-reglious fusion cult. Stay tuned...

Chapter 3: LOLyourFACE tries to dig up some dirt...
As I stated before, Bill was a very friendly guy. He spoke very highly of me upon introduction to others and as far as for him, I knew it was sincere. He also kept on telling people about how I just got back from church as a Sunday school teacher which I thought was awkward because that was just a small fleeting comment I made. Everyone I met there were energetic, excited and overly welcoming. But something was amiss. I noticed that underneath all the empty talks and routinized responses, they never actually talked about what they really did as work. The only response I got from everyone in unison was, "We're the front marketing force for the company!" and (not)surprisingly, "I can't tell you, you have to hear directly from Michael Mo. He'll tell you all about it."

Among the twenty-something people I met, I came across this rather calm guy named Danny. For an employee of this happy-go-lucky company, he was timid, subdued and quiet. After ME initiating conversations with him for several times, I decided to dig up some real dirt from Danny. I first asked about what he and everyone actually do for living, again. He didn't budge and gave me the exhausted, "You'd have to hear from Michael Mo" response. But it was interesting how he said it in a very monotonous manner. I dug further, "So you must make lots of money huh?" and carefully examined his reaction. "It's alright.. It's not about money but teamwork." Danny commented as he shrugged with a slight sense of dissapointment. Not about money? All I've been hearing WAS about money since I set my foot in here.... Nice defense mechanism, I thought.
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Chapter 4: Introducing.. Michael Mo himself!!!
When it was 3pm, we all entered the ballroom in the hotel. There must've been about 200 people, all were young and looked sharp. We all sat in rows of chairs with Michael Mo himself standing in the center stage. As soon as the seminar started, the expected lameness began. "EVERYONE WELCOME MICHAEEEL MOOOO!!!!!!" A guy yelled to the microphone as techno music thumped the whole room. I recognized it was Alice Deejay as I rolled my eyes. Everyone stood on their feet clapping, shouting and whistling. The music got louder, the crowd got louder and this went on for about good five minutes until they sat.

And there he was, the great Michael Mo himself, standing in front of the idolizing crowd awaiting to be enlightened once more. He was a very young looking chinese guy in a nice black suit with an"iced-out" watch and oversized rings. He was clearly showing off his status through attire.

Then he opened his mouth and for the next 90 mins, he aurally raped my ears and defiled my mind. I don't quite know how to explain his waste of braincells so I'll just paraphrase the things he said. They get progressively worse and worse.

"Be a great leader, and make lots of money. If you have money, you start to think differently!"

"Man, if someone borrows $50 from you and don't pay back. You get all angry and shiet and you dwell in negative energy. But if you're rich, you're above all that. Ain't I right? (the crowd: YES!) right? (YES!)"

"You know why poor people stay poor and rich are rich? Because poor think in the 'survival' mindset whereas the rich in 'living' mindset. You got to LIVE your life! (YEA!)"

"That's why 1% of the world are rich and 99% are poor because they THINK that way!" (tell that to starving children in Africa)
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"You wanna make LOTS of money! Be a LEADER and buy a Viper GT! And you know? Don't even drive it. Just keep parked in the company lot so people will talk about you and how rich you are! Then you tell them you just like to collect it!"

"Be a great leader, drugs are bad for you. Be independent! Imagine you're a leader and you're like, "I'm gonna go sniff some more crack." What kind of leader are you? (Booo~) That's not a true leader! Don't depend on drugs!"

"Be a True leader... like Jesus.. he was a true leader. Martin Luther King, Jr. was not. And JC.. JK.... (the crowd: JFK?) Yea, JFK.. you gotta be like him!"

(he writes some BS about appreciation vs possessive-ness) "How do you spell Possessive?" (He WROTE POSSESIV)
"I was never good at SAT...(crowd laughs)


"You got to THINK like a leader! A Lot of people get scared away because of our $450 JOINING FEE, but it's an INVESTMENT! You got to INVEST to be an Independent Representative, that is who you are now!"(CHEER)

(keep in mind they also paid $10 to attend this very seminar, including myself.)


By this point, I had to leave. I could not stand this garbage of feel-good talk with zero substance. This business-religious fusion crap was starting to make me want to fork my nuts off and chew on it

I faked a phone call from my parents and told Bill I had to go. Upon departing, Bill asked how it was. And then was the moment I had to tell the greatest white lie of my life... "It's good.... the work culture is very energetic and encouraging... It's very lively..."

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Gravity

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Nice rant. If you want money and can do sales, you might make a little $$ in that racket. IMHO, it's all hype and crap.

I have some friends in amway. They are such suckers.

"all you have to do is change your buying habits."

"I care about you and therefore want to come over and tell you about this business opportunity."

I'd rather go to a root canal.

 

LOLyourFace

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Originally posted by: AgaBooga
spark notes: :beer:

I think this is one of the threads that are actually worth reading because it's utterly funny as hell in a very perverted way.
 

Shockwave

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So, WHAT was the point? To get you to sign up to something and make money? I dont get it.....

Interesting story, but the POINT is missing (To me....)

Ok, you edited it to have a point. So, whats the 450 get you? A membership? Big freaking whoopie doo. A membership to do what? Foe what?
 

DurocShark

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:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

You deserve a whole 6-pack for suffering through that...
 

geno

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Originally posted by: ClueLis
Welcome to the cult, brother. :p

:D

It's always a pain when someone tries to pull you into something you really really know you don't want to be a part of.
 

LOLyourFace

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
So, WHAT was the point? To get you to sign up to something and make money? I dont get it.....

Interesting story, but the POINT is missing (To me....)

Ok, you edited it to have a point. So, whats the 450 get you? A membership? Big freaking whoopie doo. A membership to do what? Foe what?

$450 gets you to be a 'licensed independent contractor' From there you 'make money' by recruiting more people to your own company. That is what Bill did to me.
 

Nocturnal

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ROFLROLFORLFORLF

That is the same routine for ANY mLm. I've been to one as well. I already knew about mLms from my mother. She went into one, got suckered for her money and bailed out and didn't make a dime.

My friend told me if I wanted to check out something that might interest me. I was like ahh ok sounds good. It was the same exact thing where they praise one guy, telling us he has a Navigator with dubs, and an Acura NSX... as well as making six figures a year.

LOL man mLms are the biggest crock of crap, ever. If anyone falls or gets brainwashed into that crap, they deserve it for being so stupid.

Actually that guy M. Mo is making all the $. All the money is going to him and only him. People ARE paying that $450.00 because they THINK that they are gonna see a paycheck. It's gonna be a huge suprise when they realize they are not getting a paycheck in the mail LOL!

Hmm, I just read your other post and saw that they sell a product which is internet access. There was a company here where I live called Vision ONE that sold internet access too. However, just like that company, they sell some type of software. Suffice to say, they went kaboink when a lot of news channels started to investigate them.

They usually hop from state to state. The original creator of it all is raking in big bucks.
 

ClueLis

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Originally posted by: LOLyourFace
Originally posted by: Shockwave
So, WHAT was the point? To get you to sign up to something and make money? I dont get it.....

Interesting story, but the POINT is missing (To me....)

Ok, you edited it to have a point. So, whats the 450 get you? A membership? Big freaking whoopie doo. A membership to do what? Foe what?

$450 gets you to be a 'licensed independent contractor' From there you 'make money' by recruiting more people to your own company. That is what Bill did to me.

Welcome to the world of pyramid schemes.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
So, WHAT was the point? To get you to sign up to something and make money? I dont get it.....

Interesting story, but the POINT is missing (To me....)

Ok, you edited it to have a point. So, whats the 450 get you? A membership? Big freaking whoopie doo. A membership to do what? Foe what?

That IS the point; there is NO point, other than for that sh!t company to sucker a bunch of people out of money.
 

Alchemist99

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This thread gives me an Idea, we would take all the creative energy here on ATOT and start our own company.
There's a lot of brilliant minds here with an unquenchable reservoir of enthusiasm. I can't really get into what
our product will be because it is such a revolutionary and ground breaking concept, what we need now is to set
up the ground floor of this exciting venture.

As the founder of ATOT Innovative Cerebrum Limited I will immediately be deciding who is worthy of a ground floor Investment in this unique and exiting venture, please PM me for specifics IE my Paypal info.

hurry those who aren't moving forward will never get ahead!
 

Trevelyan

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"Be a True leader... like Jesus.. he was a true leader. Martin Luther King, Jr. was not. "

Did everyone else just MISS THIS?? WTF!?!
 

TommyVercetti

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That young dude is only 21 and posesses so much leadership skills? That is something to envy about! I am jealous, seriously burning from the inside.

So Amway is just some kind of sales right?
 

TommyVercetti

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Originally posted by: LOLyourFace
Originally posted by: Shockwave
So, WHAT was the point? To get you to sign up to something and make money? I dont get it.....

Interesting story, but the POINT is missing (To me....)

Ok, you edited it to have a point. So, whats the 450 get you? A membership? Big freaking whoopie doo. A membership to do what? Foe what?

$450 gets you to be a 'licensed independent contractor' From there you 'make money' by recruiting more people to your own company. That is what Bill did to me.

So let me get this straight, you aren't actually selling anything other than memberships? That's like saying "Hey, give me $20, I am will tell you of a way to make $1000 easy" You get $20, and tell them that "Say the same thing to 50 other people"
 

GagHalfrunt

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After I got out of college I got a call from a long lost high school friend. He opened with "Long time no-see, how ya been? What are you doing for a living now, would you like to make more money?" Like a fool I said yes and he tried to recruit me into Amway. Got dragged to their version of a Jonestown cyanide kool-aid party where are the true-believers chant and swallow the poison. It was without a doubt the longest night of my life, elective root canal surgery without anaethesia would have been preferable. I laughed at his clueless @$$ and told him he'd wind up broke and digusted (he did and I laughed harder) but it taught me a lot. Mostly, it taught me to:
a) never get caught up in that BS
b) ridicule mercilessly those who do
c) recognize a recruitment pitch in the first 10 seconds.

Lo and behold, about 6 months later another long-lost HS friend called out of the blue and asked if I wanted to make more money. He said he and his partner wanted to meet me because they could help me make tons of money. I was ready to blow him off, but he said they wanted to meet to talk things over (it's kind of like a job interview where they pretend to sell themselves to you, but really want to see if you're willing to work for them) and wanted to meet in a fairly upscale bar/restaurant. I know the place and the food is pretentious and the drinks VASTLY overpriced. Hmmmm, okay, evil plan forms. Night of the meeting I get there and meet them at their table in the bar area where they're having coffee. I ordered a small-batch bourbon that was going for about $40 for a double on the rocks. We small-talked for a while as they felt me out and I kept feeding them the type of answers I knew they wanted to hear "Sure, I want to make a ton of money and don't care how hard I have to work to get it". "Sure, I love meeting new people" etc etc etc. Right before we got down to business I ordered a small meal and another bourbon. More small talk as I ate and they had more coffee. Finally food is done and I order a 3rd bourbon so we can get down to business. They start the pitch, 3rd drink comes, I drink it quickly and ask to speak to my friend away from his partner. He's about half my size, my girlfriend could have beat him up, so in the most intimidating way possible I told him what I thought about wasting my time on that crap and let him know that if he called anyone else from our old circle of friends I'd kill him. I left, he got stuck with a tab of about $200 for my food and drinks. He worked for Amway for about 6 months before quitting, he made some money for the people above him in the pyramid, but only chicken scratch for himself.
 

Kadarin

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Anyone remember those infomercials from a while back, the ones with that asian guy on a yacht? "You too can be like Tom Vu!"

Last I heard, that guy was in jail...
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: LOLyourFace
he just called again and invited me to another one... how can i refuse without being rude? argh.

why would you want to be polite to this asshole?


just tell him to eat $hit and die. if he calls again tell him you are gonna kill him next tuesday and then hang up.
 

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Originally posted by: LOLyourFace
he just called again and invited me to another one... how can i refuse without being rude? argh.

screw not being rude and be truthful.

it will be up to your friend to take it at face value.
 

jjyiz28

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is this like an asain thing?? are asian college kids so damn lazy that they fall for this crap?? i went to 2 of em so far, about 4 years apart. mostly asains. knew someone that took like a year off from univ doing this fulltime. found out that his superior owed him $1000. he got no return, and he got someone else under him to lose his "initial investment". i kept telling him that its a scam, blah blah, but could'nt get through his thick head. he told me investments are risks, and if you don't take risks in life, whats the point of life, blah blah. what an idiot. blind risk is dumb, educated risk is fine.

i have another friend who thinks just like me. he said he went to one, and he was like acting like its all dumb. and he showed it in the seminar. than the speaker was like, during his speach, hey guys, don't be like that guy, you need energy and want to meet new people blah blah.

i think it starts like this. they have a friend of a friend of a friend that drives a lambo and does this pyramid crap. so he's thinking, oh yeah, i could do this too.
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ps: im asain
 

silverpig

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I've been suckered into a few talks. Never bought into them though. One guy was doing his pitch:

Guy: ...and your money grows exponentially. Do you know what exponentially means?

Me (physics/astro major with lots of math): Yep.

Guy: Well? Care to explain? I want to know if you REALLY know.

Me: Um, I could give you a formal definition, but it wouldn't be perfectly accurate I'm sure.

Guy: It means it doubles.

Me: Uh, no.

Guy: Yes, it does.

Me: Uh, no, it doesn't. It CAN, but no.

Guy: No, it does.

Me: I think we're finished here.