Utah hiring teachers from Mexico

[DangerAardvark]

We must save the white race! We must act now to preserve our rich culture of oppression and bigotry!

Let me ask you something. What's so great about this "white race" of yours? What's so great about our history that makes whitey worth saving?

And that's even assuming that Hispanics somehow end up not only representing a majority of the populace, but actually working their way into political positions and higher social classes. Not only that, but then they magically all unite based only on racial similarity and not on class or other issues and form some sort of monolithic voting block to smite us with. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

And if it did happen... so? What are they gonna do, make Cinco De Mayo a federal holiday? 20% more burritos in public school lunches?

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark


And if it did happen... so? What are they gonna do, make Cinco De Mayo a federal holiday? 20% more burritos in public school lunches?

Vote for Pedro.


😉

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
We must save the white race! We must act now to preserve our rich culture of oppression and bigotry!

Let me ask you something. What's so great about this "white race" of yours? What's so great about our history that makes whitey worth saving?

And that's even assuming that Hispanics somehow end up not only representing a majority of the populace, but actually working their way into political positions and higher social classes. Not only that, but then they magically all unite based only on racial similarity and not on class or other issues and form some sort of monolithic voting block to smite us with. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

And if it did happen... so? What are they gonna do, make Cinco De Mayo a federal holiday? 20% more burritos in public school lunches?

Its not about the white race you tool, its about preserving America jesus how hard is that for you tools to understand. why do you think it is a good thing to import 100' of thousands of people who cant read & write into our country? If that was so great Mexico would keep them and shut the border down from their side. I dont care what color of the skin is, they could be white and speak Danish and my views would be the same. Stop illegal immigration, and shut down the damn border.

do these teachers from mexico have to join the teachers union? if not the teachers better pitch a bitch about that.

 

[DougK62]

I don't like the illegals anymore than the next guy, but last I checked there is no national language for the United States.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: DougK62
I don't like the illegals anymore than the next guy, but last I checked there is no national language for the United States.

the official language in coloroado is English. check your state.

 

[Zedtom]

The race card has been played, so let's play the religion card and the politics card.

Utah is a conservative republican state with a large number of Mormons. The economic factors that are contributing to the influx of illegal immigrants are common throughout the United States. Cheap labor to fill undesirable jobs is what is driving the whole problem.

The Utah situation translates to an attitude of grateful potential voters and/or religious converts. If the Mormon church wants to attract new members, they are going to have to look at new sources close to home instead of sending missionaries overseas.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Zedtom
The race card has been played, so let's play the religion card and the politics card.

Utah is a conservative republican state with a large number of Mormons. The economic factors that are contributing to the influx of illegal immigrants are common throughout the United States. Cheap labor to fill undesirable jobs is what is driving the whole problem.

The Utah situation translates to an attitude of grateful potential voters and/or religious converts. If the Mormon church wants to attract new members, they are going to have to look at new sources close to home instead of sending missionaries overseas.

catholics dont convert very easily.

 

[Zedtom]

Originally posted by: Citrix

catholics dont convert very easily.

I'm not Catholic, so I can't read others spiritual beliefs. I will say that individuals who have no moral conscience when it comes to breaking laws and living criminal lives based of lies should have no difficulty in discarding the religion they were raised with for the convenience of a new lifestyle.

 

[Darthvoy]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
We must save the white race! We must act now to preserve our rich culture of oppression and bigotry!

Let me ask you something. What's so great about this "white race" of yours? What's so great about our history that makes whitey worth saving?

And that's even assuming that Hispanics somehow end up not only representing a majority of the populace, but actually working their way into political positions and higher social classes. Not only that, but then they magically all unite based only on racial similarity and not on class or other issues and form some sort of monolithic voting block to smite us with. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

And if it did happen... so? What are they gonna do, make Cinco De Mayo a federal holiday? 20% more burritos in public school lunches?

Its not about the white race you tool, its about preserving America jesus how hard is that for you tools to understand. why do you think it is a good thing to import 100' of thousands of people who cant read & write into our country? If that was so great Mexico would keep them and shut the border down from their side. I dont care what color of the skin is, they could be white and speak Danish and my views would be the same. Stop illegal immigration, and shut down the damn border.

do these teachers from mexico have to join the teachers union? if not the teachers better pitch a bitch about that.

Race may not be an issue to you, but to many, like Socio, it clearly is.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: glutenbergI'd like to see the numbers that say legal immigrants from Mexico don't pay their fair share in taxes. Illegals are a different matter and a different subject.

Why wouldn't you want an educated society? Are the bilingual classes being forced on the English-only speaking students? It's not like ESL courses were a detriment to society. I'd like to see a study that shows a large amount of schools are forcing students into the bilingual classes and thus slowing their educational process..

I got to stomp on this while I can. One of my best friend's wife is second generation Mexican (she was born here to LEGAL immigrants, served in US Navy). Well their daughter had some obvious Mexican traits. She had to FIGHT hard to keep her kid out of ESL classes because they do not help children, they only hold them back.

Speak to most of the knowledgeable parents who have bilingual kids and they will say the same thing, if your kid gets put into a "native language" teaching environment they will fall behind. Kids want to learn and language would be their top priority if ignorant social liberals weren't undermining everything with their "feel good but stupid" ideaology.

If you're born in the US I don't see why you would be in ESL classes to begin with. Maybe I'm confused as to what you're trying to point out. I'd imagine that these teachers were brought in to help students who immigrated to the US from another country, namely Mexico in this case.

I'd say nearly all of my friends are bilingual and many of them have moved here from Taiwan. Most of them spent time in ESL and never fell behind in course work, many of which graduated at the top of the school. This pretty much seems to be a case of YMMV.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: kapoww

Originally posted by: glutenberg
I don't see how things are getting ridiculous. I would much rather have these children, who aren't fluent in English, have a better understanding of science and math and thus become educated than to leave them uneducated and left behind. An educated society is a working society.

How long will that education last before they are pressured by their family and peers to stop being "Americanized"? It sounds stupid, it is stupid, but it's true. Maybe you live in some magical part of the US but where I'm from it's typical from their community.

You'd think generation after generation things would change. Well it's 2007 and nothing has changed at all. Things aren't getting ridiculous, they are beyond ridiculous.

Why not take it a step further and build them their own Spanish only schools? What they're doing in Utah is pretty much the same thing except it's not PC and they won't have a chance to assimilate. But chances are the majority will regress anyways.

What part of the US are you talking about? Of all my Hispanic friends I have yet to see one whose family encouraged them not to be "Americanized." That is, unless of course, you mean Americanized in the sense of being irresponsible with your finances and debt and the idea of spend, spend, spend.

Nothing has changed at all in 2007? Do you not look around your environment and see how things have changed? I see plenty of successful Hispanic immigrants and natives where I work. I see plenty of successful <insert race here> everywhere I go. If there's anything sad and worth talking about it's when a white person, born in the US, can't make it.

Do you honestly believe that during the mass influx of immigrants from Asia, Europe, etc. that it didn't take them generations to become successful in the US? Do you think they immediately integrated or do you believe that the existence of places like Chinatown are some sort of ingenious development as a tourist trap?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Socio
Nothing racist about that statement, the white race is by far the most declining race in the US and Hispanics are the fastest growing and unless something catastrophic happens, Hispanics will become the majority and gain control of the country. When this happens the USA of today will no longer exist, that fact it is an absolute given. Our ideals, cultures, values will be replaced by theirs from the south of the border, and southern borders will all but disappear. If you lived down here on the southern border like I do in a town with a population of 80% Hispanics you would see it has already happened.

Then move North, you silly xenophobe. We have an abundance of white folks up here...

But "we whites" are going to have to accept the fact that "whiteness" is a recessive gene that would have been removed, or drastically reduced, from the gene pool centuries ago were it not for the attitudes of people like Socio. As borders open, as globalization becomes the de facto course for civilization, those with white skin will intermingle with those with dark skin. Whiteness will dwindle, a recessive gene overpowered by a gene which allows for higher concentrations of melanin in one's skin (with the benefit of increased protection from the harmful UV rays from the sun). In a few short centuries, whiteness will be all but gone.

If that thought frightens you, perhaps you should reflect on your own prejudice and bigotry. If that is to be the legacy of my "white" culture, then I'll shed no tears to see it go.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Socio
Here is some info on the cost and taxes of lowwage workers which most south of the border imigrants are;

Immigration Bill Will Raid Pockets of U.S. Taxpayers

An in-depth Heritage Foundation study by Robert Rector estimates that the average low-skill household receives $30,160 in taxpayer-paid benefits from all levels of government.

Heritage estimates that the average low-skill household pays only $10,573 in taxes at all levels. Each household, therefore, lays a net cost on U.S. taxpayers of $19,588 per year, which added up to $564

Note: that $10,573 number is wrong probably a type-o because at the new minimum wage you would only make a little over $15,000 per year so the actual number would be $1,573

So, it seems your issue is with illegal immigrants and their unwillingness to adapt. The first link you provided seems to be an emphasis on the amnesty debate. I don't believe illegal immigrants should be given amnesty unless they're possibly refugees of some sort but that doesn't cloud my view of the Hispanic community as a whole. You said that most south of the border immigrants are low wage worker but I didn't see any studies confirming that. The articles you listed claimed that most illegal immigrants from south of the border are low wage workers but the next article you listed showed that out of the 44.3 million Hispanic people in the US, an estimated 11 million are illegal. That's roughly 25% and not the majority.

You numbers are a wee bit off, the Census has the US Hispanic citizen population at 44.3 million with a 3.4 percent growth rate ,

USA Today numbers shows there are 53 million immigrants legal and illegal and the vast majority of whom are Hispanic.

So the real number of Hispanics in the US is probably closer to 80 Million and at a 3.4 percent growth rate along with 3000 to 8000 more coming daily it is possible they could be the majority in as few as 20-25 years.

Yes, our modern ideals, cultures, values, etc are all founded on the backs of immigrants but this is much different. Back then we had small pockets of immigrants from all over blending their ideals, cultures, values in to the ideals, cultures, values we have to day. What we have now is a particular immigrant segment coming in such large numbers they are not adding to our ideals, cultures, values they are replacing them with their own.

I'm not sure where you're getting the 80 million Hispanics number but from the 2nd article you posted they estimated that there are 44.3 million Hispanics of which 11 million are illegal. Your number seems to double up their current population which I would imagine would hard to go unnoticed. You then addressed that their growth rate is about 3.4% and then you added another 3000 to 8000 coming in daily, which is another 2,007,500 a year on average. I'm just curious where all these numbers are coming from.

Regarding your remark about how there were small pockets of immigrants blending their cultures to form what we have today, I would say that's not particularly true. Isn't one of ATOT's favorite Scorcese movies about this topic? Every wave of immigrants has historically been listed as low class, trouble bringers. They are always listed as people stealing native peoples' jobs. The Irish dealt with it, the Italians dealt with it, the Chinese dealt with it, and now the Hispanics are dealing with it. On a historical scale, these immigrant classes did not integrate within a few decades, it took them multiple generations to integrate if at all. It's more likely that American culture absorbed their cultures into itself and has become such a norm that we don't see it as them changing the status quo but that that it's always been this way. What we today consider a cultural value brought to us by immigrants was most likely thought of as a cultural bane during the actual influx, much the same way most posters look at the current influx.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: Socio
Nothing racist about that statement, the white race is by far the most declining race in the US and Hispanics are the fastest growing and unless something catastrophic happens, Hispanics will become the majority and gain control of the country. When this happens the USA of today will no longer exist, that fact it is an absolute given. Our ideals, cultures, values will be replaced by theirs from the south of the border, and southern borders will all but disappear. If you lived down here on the southern border like I do in a town with a population of 80% Hispanics you would see it has already happened.

Then move North, you silly xenophobe. We have an abundance of white folks up here...

But "we whites" are going to have to accept the fact that "whiteness" is a recessive gene that would have been removed, or drastically reduced, from the gene pool centuries ago were it not for the attitudes of people like Socio. As borders open, as globalization becomes the de facto course for civilization, those with white skin will intermingle with those with dark skin. Whiteness will dwindle, a recessive gene overpowered by a gene which allows for higher concentrations of melanin in one's skin (with the benefit of increased protection from the harmful UV rays from the sun). In a few short centuries, whiteness will be all but gone.

If that thought frightens you, perhaps you should reflect on your own prejudice and bigotry. If that is to be the legacy of my "white" culture, then I'll shed no tears to see it go.

Wow, you flunked biology, didn't you. "Whiteness" as a recessive gene, that's funny.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: Socio
Nothing racist about that statement, the white race is by far the most declining race in the US and Hispanics are the fastest growing and unless something catastrophic happens, Hispanics will become the majority and gain control of the country. When this happens the USA of today will no longer exist, that fact it is an absolute given. Our ideals, cultures, values will be replaced by theirs from the south of the border, and southern borders will all but disappear. If you lived down here on the southern border like I do in a town with a population of 80% Hispanics you would see it has already happened.

Then move North, you silly xenophobe. We have an abundance of white folks up here...

But "we whites" are going to have to accept the fact that "whiteness" is a recessive gene that would have been removed, or drastically reduced, from the gene pool centuries ago were it not for the attitudes of people like Socio. As borders open, as globalization becomes the de facto course for civilization, those with white skin will intermingle with those with dark skin. Whiteness will dwindle, a recessive gene overpowered by a gene which allows for higher concentrations of melanin in one's skin (with the benefit of increased protection from the harmful UV rays from the sun). In a few short centuries, whiteness will be all but gone.

If that thought frightens you, perhaps you should reflect on your own prejudice and bigotry. If that is to be the legacy of my "white" culture, then I'll shed no tears to see it go.

Wow, you flunked biology, didn't you. "Whiteness" as a recessive gene, that's funny.

Admittedly, it is an oversimplification, and one that is necessary when discussing race in terms of biology (since race is a social construct, not a biological one). One of the ways we perceive race is skin color, which is tied to the level of melanin in one's skin. Melanin levels are genetic, with higher levels being favored. That's why when a white person and a black person have a child together, the baby will almost always be darker than the white skinned parent.

 

[BoberFett]

And lighter than the dark skinned parent. Dark skinned people no more "breed out" light skinned people than the opposite happens. Hell, light skinned children have been born to parents that both have very dark skin. You're right, it is a gross oversimplification, to the point of being meaningless.

And to even make reference to "white" culture just makes you sound ignorant, as if the culture between a gay guy from New York and a redneck from the hills of Appalachia share a culture because they're both white. :roll:

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
And lighter than the dark skinned parent. Dark skinned people no more "breed out" light skinned people than the opposite happens. Hell, light skinned children have been born to parents that both have very dark skin. You're right, it is a gross oversimplification, to the point of being meaningless.

And to even make reference to "white" culture just makes you sound ignorant, as if the culture between a gay guy from New York and a redneck from the hills of Appalachia share a culture because they're both white. :roll:

The reference to "white" culture is a dig at Socio, since he's arguing that the influx of immigrants will destroy our culture. It's a ridiculous premise all right, and reflects an argument of xenophobia more than reality.

 

[realEZE]

I can see why Socio is taking a lot of slack, but why can't people separate illegal aliens from immigrants?

Does anyone here disagree that illegal aliens should not be allowed to stay and prosper?
I, for one, can't wait until all illegal aliens from USA are deported from Canada... they're stealing all our jobs! 😉

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
We must save the white race! We must act now to preserve our rich culture of oppression and bigotry!

Let me ask you something. What's so great about this "white race" of yours? What's so great about our history that makes whitey worth saving?

I don't know, why don't you as the 10's of millions of immigrants of color that flock to predominantly White parts of the world like the US and Europe?

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
And that's even assuming that Hispanics somehow end up not only representing a majority of the populace, but actually working their way into political positions and higher social classes. Not only that, but then they magically all unite based only on racial similarity and not on class or other issues and form some sort of monolithic voting block to smite us with. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

And if it did happen... so? What are they gonna do, make Cinco De Mayo a federal holiday? 20% more burritos in public school lunches?

The changes will be dramatic, for instance most every single local government located on the southern border are Hispanic controlled already and none want the border sealed they want it wide open, as Hispanics gain in power our borders will weaken, eventually they will disappear.


I live in a border town that is 80% Hispanic, in my town the border is already almost invisible for examples; we bus 1200+ Mexican students who reside in Mexico to our public schools on a daily basis. They get a free education, free breakfast, free lunch, and many get free after school care. We also have 100?s of day workers who come over from Mexico in the morning, use our already crowded transit system to get to their under the table wage jobs and go back home at night.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, everyone knows this stuff going on, it has been in the papers and on the evening news and no one does or says anything about it. Why you wonder? Well there is an overwhelming philosophy of Hispanics coming in to this country which is all for the Hispanic nothing for anyone else. The Hispanic organization called La Raza which translated means ?The? Race exemplifies this philosophy.

So no one says anything or does anything about what I mentioned because it is what is best for the Hispanics which is exactly how they want it. It is this powerful philosophy that will eventually change the face of the United States.

 

[Darthvoy]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
We must save the white race! We must act now to preserve our rich culture of oppression and bigotry!

Let me ask you something. What's so great about this "white race" of yours? What's so great about our history that makes whitey worth saving?

I don't know, why don't you as the 10's of millions of immigrants of color that flock to predominantly White parts of the world like the US and Europe?

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
And that's even assuming that Hispanics somehow end up not only representing a majority of the populace, but actually working their way into political positions and higher social classes. Not only that, but then they magically all unite based only on racial similarity and not on class or other issues and form some sort of monolithic voting block to smite us with. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

And if it did happen... so? What are they gonna do, make Cinco De Mayo a federal holiday? 20% more burritos in public school lunches?

The changes will be dramatic, for instance most every single local government located on the southern border are Hispanic controlled already and none want the border sealed they want it wide open, as Hispanics gain in power our borders will weaken, eventually they will disappear.


I live in a border town that is 80% Hispanic, in my town the border is already almost invisible for examples; we bus 1200+ Mexican students who reside in Mexico to our public schools on a daily basis. They get a free education, free breakfast, free lunch, and many get free after school care. We also have 100?s of day workers who come over from Mexico in the morning, use our already crowded transit system to get to their under the table wage jobs and go back home at night.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, everyone knows this stuff going on, it has been in the papers and on the evening news and no one does or says anything about it. Why you wonder? Well there is an overwhelming philosophy of Hispanics coming in to this country which is all for the Hispanic nothing for anyone else. The Hispanic organization called La Raza which translated means ?The? Race exemplifies this philosophy.

So no one says anything or does anything about what I mentioned because it is what is best for the Hispanics which is exactly how they want it. It is this powerful philosophy that will eventually change the face of the United States.

It is quite evident that you are delusional. For one, you are assuming the immigrants are an organized mass hell-bent on, to use your words, "invading" the US. However, nothing is farther from the truth. All you are seeing is change, which is natural. As demographics change so does the politicians and government. And as far as "La Raza" goes, they are only a small minority within the Hispanic community, much like the KKK and the black panthers. Assuming all Hispanics believe the same BS as some from "La Raza" is just ridiculous. I don't agree with what some south-western states are doing though, if what you said is true about them busing kids to of fro Mexico.

So far what I have seen from this issue is that you have people on both sides of the extreme and neither is willing to compromise, when it is obviously needed. At this rate nothing will get done.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Darthvoy
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It is quite evident that you are delusional. For one, you are assuming the immigrants are an organized mass hell-bent on, to use your words, "invading" the US. However, nothing is farther from the truth.

No you just have no clue; Hispanics do not have to be "an organized mass hell-bent on invading the US to accomplish what I claim. I have lived in among them all my life and Hispanics are masters of many things one of those is an ability to unify as a race like no other race on the planet. Once they have the majority vote they will act as one and things will change it is an undeniable inevitability.

It was President Theodore Roosevelt who said:

Looking forward through the decades to today, warned us sternly: "The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities."

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
But I?m told in a thread JUST over there *points around P&N, that they?re assimilating just perfectly fine ? just like every other immigrant group. You know, all those Italian, French, German, Asian speaking teachers we imported to teach their kids in their native languages so they didn?t have to bother with English. 😕

The American people need to get angry. Nothing else will stand in the way of the bleeding hearts for creating separate cultures here at home.

We didn't have compulsory education when 3 out of 4 of those groups had their periods of mass immigration.

 

[tomywishbone]

"Utah hiring teachers from Mexico"

I use drugs that come from Mexico... what's the problem?

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: realEZE
I can see why Socio is taking a lot of slack, but why can't people separate illegal aliens from immigrants?

Extremist here prefer not to bring up such logic. They try brainwash people replacing "Illegal Immigrant" with "Immigrant". Sensational cry of race card is better at shouting down at opposition.

Immigration should be open to all nations. And it already is. America let immigrants come in, without discriminating anyone if you apply LEGALLY. Mexican and Latin American people should not take precedence or have an unfair advantage. If USA want to let anyone come in and let anyone work cheap at slave wages for business owner, open it to all countries. We are now preferring one culture of people over African/Asian culture. And that is not racism to some people.

 

[PokerGuy]

What the heck is with all you tools who want to make this a "white race" issue?? It has nothing to do with saving the white race, and everything to do with saving the culture that has made the USA a great country. If people come here from crappy countries (like Mexico, Vietnam, Somalia, whatever), they should integrate into this culture and help bring some of their own culture to the mix.

When you get a large enough group of people coming in from some place (like Mexico), they don't just add a little of their culture to the mix, they simply bring their culture --- that same culture that made their country a craphole -- and bring it with them. We don't need that, we need to keep this country great. Immigrants help keep this a great country, but mass unchecked immigration will tear it down. Go visit border areas in TX, CA, AZ etc, you'll quickly realize this to be the truth.