Vice versa, the US is transforming, why don't you leave for a country with "more freedom". I hear Somaila is pretty nice this time of year, you can practically do whatever you want.
Vice versa, the US is transforming, why don't you leave for a country with "more freedom". I hear Somaila is pretty nice this time of year, you can practically do whatever you want.
umbrella39
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umbrella39
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Wut? :laugh:
Oh. You are serious .....
I think we found the Preznit of the "National Militia, Soldiers of Freedom".
GuitarDaddy
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- Nov 9, 2004
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:music: I'm back in the US, back in the US, back in the USSA A A :music:
gee I'm glad to be back home
gee I'm glad to be back home
Depends on the Socialism. People in the US obviously think that State Socialism is the only kind that exists thanks to the USSR (as evidenced by this thread). They likely have little knowledge and inclination to learn about Proudhon and the other Libertarian Socialists that were also popular at the time. They almost certainly know nothing of the closest thing to true Communism and Libertarian Socialism that has existed in the modern world; parts of Spain during the Spanish Revolution. Ironically enough, the Anarchism that existed in places like Catalonia and Aragon were in part crushed by Soviet Communists, and then later defeated by the nationalists (supported by the Italians and Germans, supplied by American companies).
I would say that we are probably inching closer to State Capitalism than State Socialism. Any health care plan that simply subsidizes private insurance companies simply reinforces this idea. There are also many critics of the USSR that claim that what really existed was State Capitalism, an idea embraced by Lenin himself. Regardless, I would be opposed to the authoritarianism involved.
As a Left Libertarian, I like to embrace the ideals of Proudhon, Jefferson, Paine, and the like. I'm somewhat intrigued by Syndicalism, Geolibertarianism, and Anarchism. There are many Left Libertarians that also embrace laissez-faire economics, but it would appear that they do so with the assumption that unions would eventually form and large corporations would lose their grip that is presently enforced by the state. I respect the left laissez-faire belief that this would lead to greater equality, but I don't know how effective it would be starting where we presently exist. In my opinion, the greatest compromise would probably be free-market Socialism as expressed by the Mutualists. By ensuring some collective ownership you can somewhat traverse Coasian bargaining problems and presumably enact some solution to the free rider problem existent in that bargaining.
IndyColtsFan
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Since you asked, I say you're a paranoid, mindless troll spewing absolute bullshit with no foundation in fact. :roll:
Reagan is rolling over in his grave right now saying "I told you people what would happen if you didn't constantly fight it off with freedom". He was so damned right. We must continue to fight this.
Reagan expanded the earned income tax credit which is basically a negative income tax for the poor. A direct hand-out at the end of the year. Is that Socialist?
GuitarDaddy
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Reagan did more harm to America than any single person on the face of the earth. The level of destruction his misquided policies have caused makes Osama bin Ladens work look like child play. If nero fiddled while Rome burned, Reagen provided the fuel, struck the match, and cooked hotdogs on the burning embers of Americas ashes.
IndyColtsFan
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Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Reagan did more harm to America than any single person on the face of the earth. The level of destruction his misquided policies have caused makes Osama bin Ladens work look like child play. If nero fiddled while Rome burned, Reagen provided the fuel, struck the match, and cooked hotdogs on the burning embers of Americas ashes.
:roll:
Steeplerot
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- Mar 29, 2004
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USSA? Sounds great. When do we pull up the voter rolls and ship the repubs off to get some "hard work" done?
We do have a ton of lazy ass reps in here posting talk radio talking points all day instead of working, and a whole lot of infrastructure upgrades to be done.
First up, comrade limbaughs wingnut sewer brigades, make us proud!
(Yes I am joking)
We do have a ton of lazy ass reps in here posting talk radio talking points all day instead of working, and a whole lot of infrastructure upgrades to be done.
First up, comrade limbaughs wingnut sewer brigades, make us proud!
(Yes I am joking)
WhipperSnapper
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Do you really think that allowing foreign outsourcing, foreign work visas such as the H-1B and L-1 that displace hundreds of thousands of Americans from often knowledge-based, college-education-requiring jobs, and mass immigration that puts downward pressure on wages would be part of a socialist plan intended to help lower and middle class Americans?
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