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USS Fitzgerald hits cargo ship, might sink

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The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they called 'gitche gumee'
The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead
When the skies of November turn gloomy...
 
SKORPI0 said:
Damage to the container ship was in the port, destroyer on the starboard.. above and below the waterline. So yes the ship crashed into the destroyer.
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Semantically that is correct. The important things are how and why they made contact though. If a driver runs a red light and gets t-boned by another car legally proceeding through the intersection on the green then it's correct to say that the driver of the 2nd car crashed into the 1st car, but the driver of the car that got t-boned is 100% at fault. Cargo ships that large do not turn or stop quickly, so there are 1000 different scenarios where the cargo ship ran into the destroyer because the destroyer fucked up.

That being said, if I'm in a compact and it looks like a semi is going to plow into me, I'm going to take evasive action to get the hell out of the way no matter whose fault the accident would be. The destroyer is smaller, lighter, faster and more agile. They probably should have been able to get out of the way,
 
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maybe it is just an illusion or how the ship is designed, but it looks like the ship is bent in the middle so the bow is sticking up
 
At work I used to play minesweeper and solitaire when it wasn't busy. Do you think the guy watching radar might have alt tabbed to minesweeper?

Or maybe it was the nightly server reset, IT fucked something up again, and it brought down the radar...
 
tynopik said:
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maybe it is just an illusion or how the ship is designed, but it looks like the ship is bent in the middle so the bow is sticking up
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Hard to say but definitely listing. It's hard to believe they managed to collide with another giant ship with all those sensors all over the ship.
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John Connor said:
On board a commercial aircraft you have what is called TCAS, or what pilots like to call the "fish finder." Now when an approaching aircraft comes near you you'll get a TA (Traffic Advisory) and when you need to evade you get a RA (Resolution Advisory). Now doesn't a ship's radar have the same thing? Ever see that circling white antenna on pleasure cruisers and more expensive ships? That's surface radar.
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I'm not sure if they have automated warnings but yes, pleasure boats that are relatively small often have radar that they would use to avoid a collision. Not only does a friggen US Navy Destroyer have a much better radar system but they have at least one guy whose only job is to use/observe the radar system at all times.
 
Curious to know what happens in a case like this, will they repair the ship or is it a write off? Guess it depends if the superstructure got dented or not. If yes I presume it's not really repairable. Could re-purpose it as a training ship I guess. See if you can convince some rookies to try to straighten it out using a couple tug boats. 😛 We're going to need a bigger sky hook.
 
YOKOSUKA, Japan -- A number of Sailors that were missing from the collision between USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) and a merchant ship have been found. As search and rescue crews gained access to the spaces that were damaged during the collision this morning, the missing Sailors were located in the flooded berthing compartments. They are currently being transferred to Naval Hospital Yokosuka where they will be identified. The families are being notified and being provided the support they need during this difficult time. The names of the Sailors will be released after all notifications are made.
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Red Squirrel said:
Curious to know what happens in a case like this, will they repair the ship or is it a write off? Guess it depends if the superstructure got dented or not. If yes I presume it's not really repairable. Could re-purpose it as a training ship I guess. See if you can convince some rookies to try to straighten it out using a couple tug boats. 😛 We're going to need a bigger sky hook.
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It will be repaired

The damage to the USS Cole was probably more severe and they fixed that.

More telling is the USS Samuel B. Roberts. More serious damage to a much cheaper ship. If they bothered to repair that, they'll definitely fix a Burke, especially with all the pressure to expand the size of the Navy right now.
 
Thoughts and prayers to the families of the victims. 🙁

It's quite a mystery indeed how this happened.
We don't need radar as most vessels have AIS and the receivers have considerable range.
If it's malfunctioning or turned off for some reason, radar can pick up much further than the human eye can see. Especially the larger radars working at 100kW+

I tend to avoid grey ships with pointy things, however. 😉
 
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Top row (L-R) Fire Controlman 2nd Class Carlos Victor Ganzon Sibayan, 23, from Chula Vista, CA; Gunner's Mate Seaman Dakota Kyle Rigsby, 19, from Palmyra, VA; Sonar Technician 3rd Class Ngoc T Truong Huynh, 25, from Oakville, CT; and Yeoman 3rd Class Shingo Alexander Douglass, 25, from San Diego,CA.
Bottom row (L-R) Fire Controlman 1st Class Gary Leo Rehm Jr., 37, from Elyria, OH; Personnel Specialist 1st Class Xavier Alec Martin, 24, from Halethorpe, MD; and Gunner's Mate 2nd Class Noe Hernandez, 26, from Weslaco, TX. U.S. Navy/Handout via REUTERS
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-navy-asia-idUSKBN19913U
 
http://nextnavy.com/another-mishap-the-wreck-of-the-uss-fitzgerald/

Since FY 2009, the Navy’s ship handling/navigation record has been, at best, checkered. Here’s the list of avoidable incidents:

USS Antietam (CG grounding)
USS Georgia (SSBN grounding)
USS Louisiana (SSBN collision w/MSC vessel)
USS Tortuga (LSD allision–$2.5 million)
USS Taylor (FFG grounding–$5 million)
USS Guardian (MCM grounding-total loss)
USS Jacksonville (SSN collision–at least $2.5 million)
USS Montpelier/USS San Jacinto (SSN/CG collision–over $80 million dollars in damages)
USS Porter (DDG collision–$50 million dollars)
USS Essex (LHD collision w/MSC vessel–$2,5 million)
USS Port Royal (CG grounding–about $50 million in damage)
USS Hartford/USS New Orleans (SSN/LPD collision–$120 million dollars of damage to the sub alone)
USS Fitzgerald (DDG collision)

The bolded incidents resulted in serious damage. I’ve missed a few, but I’ll add in the Great 2016 Patrol Craft Debacle (navigation/prep/capture) for good measure.
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What does the handbook say is the S.O.P. for this type of imminent collision. Ship t boning from starboard side. To me the logical course would be the naval vessel should speed up while cargo ship turn to port? There shouldn't be any confusion where both ships have to have extended conversations with each other right? Someone on the naval ship had to have seen this coming.

I get that course corrections happen slowly on huge cargo ship, it was at night (cargo crew were mostly asleep), so it looks like navy ship mostly to blame for not going full throtte out of the way?
 
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