Using i-RAM to preserve classic computers

DOSGuy

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Gigabyte's i-RAM has gotten a lot of attention for the promise of extremely fast access time, but the 4 GB maximum capacity is a limiting factor on a modern computer. My first thought when I heard about it was that it could be used to replace aging hard drives on old DOS computers.

I maintain a Pentium 200 with MS-DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.1 to play DOS games, but hard drives from that era frequently fail or develop bad sectors. Making the trip to my local obsolete hardware dealer to replace a 2 GB hard drive is time consuming and getting expensive. Besides which, the hard drives are loud and slow. I have 2 GB of DDR that I don't need any more, and they're solid state so they make no noise, draw little power, and have a lifetime warranty. If I could format the drive with FAT16, I could put one in my older computers. If only the i-RAM didn't require a SATA connection...

Buying a PCI SATA card isn't feasible because of driver support. I need something that will be invisible to the operating system. I've found an adapter called a MB-SA2HV on an Australian website that lets you connect a SATA hard drive to a PATA connector. Does anyone know where I can find more SATA to PATA adapters, preferably in North America to reduce shipping expenses? Is this likely to work?

Between the i-RAM and the SATA to PATA adapter, this may seem like an expensive solution, but someday it will be impossible to find a hard drive for a classic computer due to capacity, BIOS incompatibility, and new connection standards. The one-time purchase of a solution like this seems infinitely preferable to exhausting the world's supply of ancient hard drives. Gigabyte may have inadvertently come up with a way to keep these computers running indefinitely by removing the only component that has moving parts: the hard drive. I wonder if they could be convinced to release a PATA version.
 

sniperruff

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doesn't make more sense if you sell the ram, and use the money to buy a 60gb hard drive and pop it in there?
 

DOSGuy

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Many older motherboards won't recognize hard drives larger than 520M/8G/32G. Soon all hard drives will be hundreds of gigabytes and require SATA, then they'll all be multi-terabyte Super SATA, then they'll go wireless except for the power connector, before finally being replaced by solid-state hard drives that run on the ambient heat inside the case, or from the solar power from a little light on your motherboard. I'm talking about a permanent solution to the problem of a diminishing supply of compatible hard drives for classic computers.
 

Budman

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Originally posted by: DOSGuy
Many older motherboards won't recognize hard drives larger than 520M/8G/32G. Soon all hard drives will be hundreds of gigabytes and require SATA, then they'll all be multi-terabyte Super SATA, then they'll go wireless except for the power connector, before finally being replaced by solid-state hard drives that run on the ambient heat inside the case, or from the solar power from a little light on your motherboard. I'm talking about a permanent solution to the problem of a diminishing supply of compatible hard drives for classic computers.

You can always use a pci promise ata66 or ata100 card to bypass the bios large hd limitation. much cheaper than going the iram route. i am pretty sure you can find a very cheap pci ide card on ebay.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Budman
Originally posted by: DOSGuy
Many older motherboards won't recognize hard drives larger than 520M/8G/32G. Soon all hard drives will be hundreds of gigabytes and require SATA, then they'll all be multi-terabyte Super SATA, then they'll go wireless except for the power connector, before finally being replaced by solid-state hard drives that run on the ambient heat inside the case, or from the solar power from a little light on your motherboard. I'm talking about a permanent solution to the problem of a diminishing supply of compatible hard drives for classic computers.

You can always use a pci promise ata66 or ata100 card to bypass the bios large hd limitation. much cheaper than going the iram route. i am pretty sure you can find a very cheap pci ide card on ebay.


true, but at some point they will be discontinued. and yea pci ide cards have always been cheap, i used to buy em for about 20 bucks.

but yes, virtualization is the wayto go.
 

DOSGuy

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Originally posted by: Budman
You can always use a pci promise ata66 or ata100 card to bypass the bios large hd limitation. much cheaper than going the iram route. i am pretty sure you can find a very cheap pci ide card on ebay.

But of course, IDE hard drives will eventually disappear as well. That's only a temporary solution.

Originally posted by: Kaido
1. Buy a Mac
2. Buy Parallels: http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/
3. Install DOS 6.22 & Windows 3.11 and be happy :)

Virtualization solves the software problem, but not the hardware problem. I use DOSBox to run DOS games on my Windows XP computer every day, and I've toyed with Virtual PC 2004 and hope to get into VMWare as well. Unquestionably, the software will continue to run on modern computers. The question is, how do you make the computers themselves run?

I have a basement full of Apple II, Commodore PET, Kaypro 4, Tandy TRS-80, and every level of PC from 8088/286/386/486/Pentium/Pentium 2/Pentium 3. I still use the floppy-based computers but, with the exception of the Pentium 200, I don't even turn on the old PCs any more because I'm afraid of hard drive failure. I lost a lot of >1GB hard drives over the years, and it's too hard to replace them. These classic computers will run pretty much forever if you can eliminate the moving parts, by which I mean the hard drive. Maybe I'm just a nostalgic fool, but nothing beats playing old Apogee and Epic games on a Pentium 200 with a real SoundBlaster 32.

With regard to the comment about there having been an IDE version if i-RAM, I'm almost certain that there wasn't one. The first version was announced last year as a SATA product that required a PCI slot, and the new version differs by not requiring the PCI slot any more. I'd love to be proven wrong, though. If you have a link to an IDE version of i-RAM, please share it.
 

DOSGuy

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Awesome idea. I hadn't thought of that. That even solves the volatility problem of using RAM. No need for a UPS in the event that the power goes out for more than 12 hours. Thanks Ayah!
 

Ayah

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Originally posted by: DOSGuy
Awesome idea. I hadn't thought of that. That even solves the volatility problem of using RAM. No need for a UPS in the event that the power goes out for more than 12 hours. Thanks Ayah!

No problem.