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User is advertising his website that sells CD keys in the software forums.

warcrow

warcrow

Lifer
There appears to be an advertisment post in the software forums. I'm not sure what the guy is up to, but he's talking about his website "rareglitch.com". I looked further into the site and it appears they sell CD keys, but no software. I have no idea if this is legal (It probably is, but how is the customer suppose to get the software to use the CD key with? Sounds like they're supporting the warez community if you ask me).

Anyways, I know we cannot approve this, but his post count is 2. This cannot be good.


*edit* 1/4/05

Hi,

My name is David Barnes I am the operator of rareglitch.com

Saw I was getting a lot of site traffic from this link and having reading these shocking forum posts thought i would defend myself.

The steam accounts/keys are 100% legit. They are imported, however to save the hastle of mailing CD with a foreign language for the install half way around the world, I just get the cdkeys out of the boxes and register them with steam allowing you to download and play the game. Newegg sells the exact same imported copies for $39.99

Please no more flaming of my site for no reason.

I am selling half-life2 bronze steam accounts, just the same ones that steam offer on there website for $49.95.
Except i am selling them for $29.95, i dont understand the reason for all the uninformed flaming.

If you have questions:
207-232-6415
dave@rareglitch.com
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This is a post from his from this thread.

If this guy is legit, his business is legit, and the guy advertising in the forums is ok by the mods, then I'll back off. Until then, I would appreciate it if we could get a mod to check into the situation.
 
I don't think it's even legal. If valve isn't selling cd-keys, how does this guy sell them? The only place you can get them from is from valve/sierra.
 
Originally posted by: malak
I don't think it's even legal. If valve isn't selling cd-keys, how does this guy sell them? The only place you can get them from is from valve/sierra.
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According to the site, they import them from Thailand and email you the key (and discard the product). Dunno, if he had started a thread I'd be much more suspicious, he was just answering another users question and it seems kinda-legitish 🙂
 
I would think that it is legal. I would be surprised if the CD key worked/wasn't in use. I don't think that a CD key can be copy righted because it isn't creative and it is required for the product to work.
 
Whether it's legal or not, he is breaking forum rules of signing up for an account to promote his own site/business.

Originally posted by: dave111223
At rareglitch.com/halflife2.html we also have imported version for $29.95
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Bolded "we" makes me assume that it is his website/store, otherwise he would have said "they" rather than "we".
 
Originally posted by: Spencer278
I would think that it is legal. I would be surprised if the CD key worked/wasn't in use. I don't think that a CD key can be copy righted because it isn't creative and it is required for the product to work.
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But the cd key is part of the product, and I think you need permission from the publisher to do what they do. I doubt they have that permission.
 
So I re-read this and thought something looked funny. He registers the cd-keys, he doesn't give them to you. Why on earth would you do that?

Plus, he even points out he is selling the game at a significantly cheaper price that even Valve does, which I would undoubtedly believe is illegal. If you could get the cd-keys cheaper somehow(he has to get them for less than $30 if he plans to make money), then everyone would. That would mean less money for Valve, less money for their publisher, and that is not sound business practice.
 
they are from overseas and its cheaper there. i bought games off of ebay from people in thailand and they are full working games with working serials.

he is buying cheap overseas and selling here for profit, as far as being illegal, ebay lets em do it.
 
Originally posted by: warcrow
Can someone please take a look at this?
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Your starting to seem like you have a vindeta against this users. If this user is starting threads to sell his stuff (or posting in FS/T or HotDeals it would be against the rules). Responding to an existing thread trying (I think) to help a user who asked a question doesn't seem to be wrong (to me). I'm not sure how this is different than when a user asks an imaging question and I recommend one of my products to them.

Bill

p.s. If your really worried about it, PM the mods and point them to this thread, ask them to comment.
 
Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: warcrow
Can someone please take a look at this?
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Your starting to seem like you have a vindeta against this users. If this user is starting threads to sell his stuff (or posting in FS/T or HotDeals it would be against the rules). Responding to an existing thread trying (I think) to help a user who asked a question doesn't seem to be wrong (to me). I'm not sure how this is different than when a user asks an imaging question and I recommend one of my products to them.

Bill

p.s. If your really worried about it, PM the mods and point them to this thread, ask them to comment.
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It's not a vendeta, it's a question of whether it's legal or not.
 
Originally posted by: warcrow
There appears to be an advertisment post in the software forums. I'm not sure what the guy is up to, but he's talking about his website "rareglitch.com". I looked further into the site and it appears they sell CD keys, but no software. I have no idea if this is legal (It probably is, but how is the customer suppose to get the software to use the CD key with? Sounds like they're supporting the warez community if you ask me).

Anyways, I know we cannot approve this, but his post count is 2. This cannot be good.


*edit* 1/4/05

Hi,

My name is David Barnes I am the operator of rareglitch.com

Saw I was getting a lot of site traffic from this link and having reading these shocking forum posts thought i would defend myself.

The steam accounts/keys are 100% legit. They are imported, however to save the hastle of mailing CD with a foreign language for the install half way around the world, I just get the cdkeys out of the boxes and register them with steam allowing you to download and play the game. Newegg sells the exact same imported copies for $39.99

Please no more flaming of my site for no reason.

I am selling half-life2 bronze steam accounts, just the same ones that steam offer on there website for $49.95.
Except i am selling them for $29.95, i dont understand the reason for all the uninformed flaming.

If you have questions:
207-232-6415
dave@rareglitch.com
Click to expand...

This is a post from his from this thread.

If this guy is legit, his business is legit, and the guy advertising in the forums is ok by the mods, then I'll back off. Until then, I would appreciate it if we could get a mod to check into the situation.
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You have got to be the biggest rat I have ever stumbled across on the internet...
 
Drifter, why are you getting all pissy? Get your panties out of a bunch.
It is obvious that warcrow is trying to help stop questionable business practices here @ AT.


I am now obliged to say: STFU n00b!
 
Drifter chill out. You ae posting on an internet forum. Why are you getting all worked up. Warcrow is making a valid argument. I do not believe that he is trying to cause problems he is asking a question. He isn't even accusing you of anything (yes i know he has, but i dont think he is paranoid again he was simply asking a question).

Wanescotting, you seem to be the classic moderator wannabe. You keep trying to hand out punishments and control things. Just chill out and let the people post. If you disagree then tell him doint flame the guy no matter how he does.

No need for all this flaming and crap.

-Kevin
 
Originally posted by: Wanescotting
Drifter, why are you getting all pissy? Get your panties out of a bunch.
It is obvious that warcrow is trying to help stop questionable business practices here @ AT.
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That is no longer obvious to me. I still see nothing wrong with the post in question, nor (apparently) do the mods. As such, it's allowed. I suggest Warcrow PM the mods directly (much quicker response than posting a thread here for them). I will do the same, point them here, ask for a final verdict.

I am now obliged to say: STFU n00b!
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:roll: From the guy who signed up 1 month earlier.

Bill
 
For reference, my PM to the mods:

"In this forum issues post thread Warcrow is concerned that the activity in the linked thread is disallowed. I looked it over and (personally) I don't see the post as any worse as my recommending NAV or Ghost when someone asks for which AV or Imaging product to use. The user in question (at least at the time, haven't checked since) didn't start new posts refering to his site, just answered a users question about the best price on the game.

Anyhow, Warcrow I know has the best intentions, as do I. Can you look at the thread and post a comment in the forum issues thread so we know if this is legal or not in the future?"

Hopefully they will now post in this thread and we'll have a determination.

Best,
Bill
 
Originally posted by: drifter106
Originally posted by: warcrow
There appears to be an advertisment post in the software forums. I'm not sure what the guy is up to, but he's talking about his website "rareglitch.com". I looked further into the site and it appears they sell CD keys, but no software. I have no idea if this is legal (It probably is, but how is the customer suppose to get the software to use the CD key with? Sounds like they're supporting the warez community if you ask me).

Anyways, I know we cannot approve this, but his post count is 2. This cannot be good.


*edit* 1/4/05

Hi,

My name is David Barnes I am the operator of rareglitch.com

Saw I was getting a lot of site traffic from this link and having reading these shocking forum posts thought i would defend myself.

The steam accounts/keys are 100% legit. They are imported, however to save the hastle of mailing CD with a foreign language for the install half way around the world, I just get the cdkeys out of the boxes and register them with steam allowing you to download and play the game. Newegg sells the exact same imported copies for $39.99

Please no more flaming of my site for no reason.

I am selling half-life2 bronze steam accounts, just the same ones that steam offer on there website for $49.95.
Except i am selling them for $29.95, i dont understand the reason for all the uninformed flaming.

If you have questions:
207-232-6415
dave@rareglitch.com
Click to expand...

This is a post from his from this thread.

If this guy is legit, his business is legit, and the guy advertising in the forums is ok by the mods, then I'll back off. Until then, I would appreciate it if we could get a mod to check into the situation.
Click to expand...

You have got to be the biggest rat I have ever stumbled across on the internet...
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Sorry Drifter, I dont mean to offend. I just really enjoy thse forums and dont want to get advertisers (cloaking themselves as users) sending us their spam. I attempted to PM you an appology, but you've blocked me from PM (after you reverted to name calling which was a little unfair. Let be mature about this, ok?)

Everyone else can see where I'm coming from...why cant you?
 
I don't know a single instance of anyone fooling an online gaming service like Steam or Battle.net with a fake key. As has been stated, eBay allows it, so doing this would basically be printing free money in large quantities. If it was happening we definately would have heard about it. The only time people have gotten illegitimate accounts are when they fooled the Valve credit card processor into giving them a real key.

If the keys this member is selling work, they are almost certainly legitimate, and there is no law preventing the import of software across national borders. Sure, Valve may not like American consumers paying foreign prices, but screw em, I hate the new EULAs on games like HL2 and World of Warcraft that say you cannot resell the game. Selling used intellectual property such as movies, music, and books has always been my right and I resent companies trying to take that away with software. </rant>
 
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