Used car math

b0mbrman

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Test drove a car today and it was cool. Not sure what to offer though...here's some numbers:

$7000 - Price it was advertised
2 - Months it's been listed on autotrader at that price with no takers
2 - Times seller mentioned that the price was just the listed price and could be taken down from there
$6700 - Private party value from kbb.com
$500 - Approximate cost to replace all 4 tires--something that must be done within a couple months

So...what?
 

brxndxn

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Offer $6300 if you really want it. Offer $5800 if you can live without it..

Getting a good deal on a used car takes a while.. Took me almost four months to buy my used Camaro Z28.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
I would offer $5800-6000 for it.
BTW: what car were you looking at?

Heh heh...more numbers:

3 - Years vehicle was sold
10000 - Approximate number of vehicles sold in that time period
80 - HP/liter
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Heh heh...more numbers:

3 - Years vehicle was sold
10000 - Approximate number of vehicles sold in that time period
80 - HP/liter

3*10000/80=$375.

So subtract that from the $6700 and that's your final offer of $6325.
 

db

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The price must be adjusted down for things like needing tires, over-average milage, etc etc. You then offer a lower price than that so that you both can meet in the middle, arriving at where you think it is *really* worth.
IE, if adjusted value is $6200, and it hasn't moved in 2 months, you would offer something like $5600 or 5700. Then seller counter-offers, etc. Of course you explain that the adjust ments bring the value down, etc. Say it in a way that does not offend the seller.

Set a max price in your mind. You have to be willing to walk away if your max price is exceeded.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: db
The price must be adjusted down for things like needing tires, over-average milage, etc etc. You then offer a lower price than that so that you both can meet in the middle, arriving at where you think it is *really* worth.
IE, if adjusted value is $6200, and it hasn't moved in 2 months, you would offer something like $5600 or 5700. Then seller counter-offers, etc. Of course you explain that the adjust ments bring the value down, etc. Say it in a way that does not offend the seller.

Set a max price in your mind. You have to be willing to walk away if your max price is exceeded.

Yeah, $6200 seems the most reasonable and easiest to explain.

BTW, what is the breaking point for lowballing in terms of where the seller gets offended?
 

Nimloth

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please don't tell me you seriously think of spending $6k on a ford contour

go get yourself a used maxima or camry ffs
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: Nimloth
please don't tell me you seriously think of spending $6k on a ford contour

go get yourself a used maxima or camry ffs

Uh...a comparable Accord/Camry would be $4000 more, slower, and would handle far worse...
 

Jawo

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Don't knock the Contour, I drive a '95 has 91k on it and still works like a charm....had no real problems with it yet...mostly regular maintance. I probably drive it a little hard, and my dad (who had it before me) drove it hard as well, so 1st gear is getting a little finecky, but overall its a great car. Its teal, with a grey interior and fabric, nothing fancy but the V6 is really nice, big upgrade over the '90 mazda protege I previous had. Just my $.02
 

HumblePie

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Lowballing breaking point in a car? Only when you can't justify and explain why the offer is that low. But really, there isn't a low ball breaking point. Sometimes, you never know unless you ask.

Also, I hope that wasn't the first car you test drove.

Things to do when you are looking to buy a pre-owned car that more then a couple years old. You should do this with any used vehicle but the older it is the greater the need to check. First and foremost, go to wither carfax.com or autochecker.com and look it up by VIN number. Yah, its going to cost you a few bucks, at about $20 for unlimited uses for 30 or 60 days or roughly that.

Then check out the vehicle history. Things I would check for is how many owners. Although the car you are looking at has a few years and miles, I really shouldn't have more then 3 or 4 owners previously if even that many. Anytime the vehicle changes registration this is always up dated. Also check for problems with major accidents, and look into any minor ones also reported.

If that all checks out, take it to areliable 3rd party mechanic. Explain to the mechanic ahead of time that you are merely checking out a used car before you purchase it. Try to use a mechanic you know, but if you can't, use a mechanic NOT in the immediate area of the used car's location. This is just incase the used car dealer has made goody goody with a local mechanic or two next to him/her.

After that, find out your budget, what you really ARE willing to pay. Make sure your state tax laws. I know in Texas I still pay full sales tax on cars sold between private parties. It's the only item I know that does this and is collected at the DMV upon registration. Your state may have similar laws and that may change the price your willing to pay by a lot. In my state that turns a $7000 vehicle into a $7540 vehicle after taxes. Then there is registration, and inspection and/or emissions if they aren't up to date. A $700 vehicle can turn into a $8000 vehicle in a hurry. Not to mention you might need repairs and parts for the car soon for a used vehicle. You already know this since you say the car needs new tires soon.

Personally, after all that, I know you already checked KBB, but also check Edmunds.com and NADA for relative value of a used car. You will notice that all 3 will have different but similar values for the car, usually a few hundred dollars apart in difference.

Then, take the LOWEST TRADE IN VALUE you find fom all three, subtract any work costs that might need to be done on the vehicle and take off another 3% to 5% and make that your starting offer if you still want to go through with the vehicle purchase. Make your way up to the LOWEST private party trade in price minus the cost of any immediate work, like changing out the tires, that needs to be done. If they won't accept, then move on. If they question the offer you came up with, merely ask them if they want to come with you to check it out on the internet. Take them to the site that quoted you the LOWEST for private party or trade in values. You can't go wrong with this methodology when buying a used vehicle.


CLIFFS
1) check vehicle out on carfax or autochecker
2) test drive more cars and check those out
3) Look up your state tax, registration, inspection, and emission laws.
4) find values for all cars you are interested in on KBB, Edmunds, and NADA. Use the lowest values you find for all 3.
5) Start slightly below trade in value and work your way up. If you don't get a taker, move on to the next vehicle. Be sure to point that out to the seller as a last ditch effort.
5) Buy the vehicle you want, at the price you want, and enjoy it.
 

b0mbrman

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It's the 2nd one of this vehicle I've test driven but I've driven a couple others of other vehicles...
 

Nimloth

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Nimloth
please don't tell me you seriously think of spending $6k on a ford contour

go get yourself a used maxima or camry ffs

Uh...a comparable Accord/Camry would be $4000 more, slower, and would handle far worse...

1999 Nissan Maxima SE 5-speed manual 80,000 miles in Good condition:

Private Party Value = $6,575
how's that $4000 more?
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: Nimloth
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Nimloth
please don't tell me you seriously think of spending $6k on a ford contour

go get yourself a used maxima or camry ffs

Uh...a comparable Accord/Camry would be $4000 more, slower, and would handle far worse...

1999 Nissan Maxima SE 5-speed manual 80,000 miles in Good condition:

Private Party Value = $6,575
how's that $4000 more?

Well, that's neither an Accord nor Camry...

And being comparable would entail same mileage (47k), same condition (excellent), and similar trim (ABS, leather, power seats, dual air bags, CD player)

For a Maxima GLE, it's $10,230
For an Accord LX, it's $10,680
For a Camry XLE, it's $9,370