Used 6700k or new 1700?

[Crono]

Just considering my options, mostly because I see the prices but my heart says Ryzen. I struggle with upgrading because I get sentimental about my old hardware which is still decent today although the drops of FPS in BF 1 and some newer games annoys me.

If the price really matters, you shouldn't have ruled out Ryzen 5 and a less expensive board. It's sitting right in between your current two options.

 

[moonbogg]

I would personally not buy a used CPU, but that's just me. Between these two options, I'd go with the 1700 since you can get a reduced price at Microcenter. I love microcenter. I got a 6800K for $360 and a SICK MSI x99 board for $290 that usually cost $330. I'd avoid the used parts and go with the shiny new stuff.

 

[Crono]

I would personally not buy a used CPU, but that's just me. Between these two options, I'd go with the 1700 since you can get a reduced price at Microcenter. I love microcenter. I got a 6800K for $360 and a SICK MSI x99 board for $290 that usually cost $330. I'd avoid the used parts and go with the shiny new stuff.

I'll concur that Microcenter is awesome, but the OP is in the UK (GBP is the giveaway).

 

[moonbogg]

Oh bust. Well, I'd still get the new stuff anyway. I would avoid the used and abused 6700K. Who knows how brutal they were with the voltage on that thing.

 

[guskline]

From my sig you can see that I have both a 1800x and a 6700K (in addition to my 5960x). The price difference is so large I would go with the 6700k, get fast ram and OC it.

 

[Head1985]

For gaming get 6700k its same cpu like 7700k but only max oc is 5-8% avg lower.Performance in games is same once they are both oc.You also need 3000+ mhz ram minimum.

 

[Gikaseixas]

For BF1, I'm leaning towards the R7 1700 because it's new, sealed and you know it was not abused. From what i understood the i7 6700K comes from an overclocker so be careful. If you know the guy and know that he hasn't pushed with crazy voltages, then go for it but don't just take anybody's word online

 

[spat55]

One thing I haven't thought about is that I could probably keep the AM4 socket for a good few years whereas the LGA 1151 will be dead next year.

 

[TemjinGold]

If money is a concern, I wouldn't do C6H. If you want C6H, then it isn't a fair comparison.

The real question is this: With the Intel, you potentially might be in this position again in 2 years. Do you want to be or not? That's not a rhetorical question--some people look forward to upgrading again in 2 years. Others may feel it's better to get it right now and not mess with it again later. Figure out what you prefer.

 

[Despoiler]

1700 of the choices you gave. If you want cheaper the 6 core R5s are going to be out in about a week. I would personally never buy an already delidded chip from a forum user. Too good to be true is a thing.

 

[Rifter]

1700 for sure, but you dont need a top end board, my Asus Prime X370 is doing great, you could easily shave $100 off the cost by going with a cheaper board.

To be honest my ryzen build was one of the most smooth so far i have built, ever, No issues at all getting it to 3.9Ghz and 2666Mhz ram. I have faster ram on backorder and am expecting some issues getting it to 3200 and beyond but time will tell on that, still got a few weeks till it arrives.

 

[Topweasel]

Even if you wanted a real top end board the C6H and the Titanium aren't really worth it value. They are badge board more than anything else. The Gaming 7 and Taichi have all the top end features and are priced much more reasonably.

Personally even if I trusted the user. Even if I thought the CPU was running right a permanently defaced CPU that could be easily damaged during installation. Not my cup of tea.

As others have also stated performance gains from process changes from Intel haven't been that great, so moving from same core config to core config is only going to be a little boost for you.

To me more cores is where the future and even now dependant on task is where it is at. Another way to put it, it's unlikely in the future specially if you get past the early adopter hump that you will look back and and wish you didn't get Ryzen. Now no one is going to get a 6700 and hate it. It is too good of a chip for that. But 2, maybe 3, certainly 5 years down the line you will look back realize the chip you got is holding you back and wish you got an R7 (or if your an Intel fan with unlimited pockets a 6900).

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[misuspita]

Even though I always favor an AMD setup because I try to support the little guy, STRICTLY between those 2 options I would choose Intel. The price difference is too big to pass.

But.

Intel is end of the line, best you could hope for is a 5% difference with a 7700k and that's it. On AMD side, you are just starting a new line of CPUs that will work in the same socket. What I would do is wait for a 1600 or 1600x, a mid MB and in 2 years time when the Intel setup would need total upgrade, just switch CPU with a top of the line and you are set. In this situation, the price difference would be like 50-100 max in favor of Intel rig.

Just sayin'...

Edit until I posted, many have said same thing

 

[Shmee]

Neither, as others have said, get a cheaper AM4 board and consider the Ryzen 5 as well. You don't need to spend a lot of money on the AM4 boards to get a good one, IMO.

 

[Atari2600]

IMO.

If you depend on the PC for anything (gaming is not depend. Work is.) - buy a non-delided Intel.
If you want to play around with a raw platform, get the AMD - what you lose now in crashes and short term performance you'll gain back in platform longevity and improved performance over time.

I wouldn't touch the delided CPU given the platform is at a dead end and your mobo would be essentially worthless too - unless you were getting a money back guarantee.

 

[TemjinGold]

IMO.

If you depend on the PC for anything (gaming is not depend. Work is.) - buy a non-delided Intel.
If you want to play around with a raw platform, get the AMD - what you lose now in crashes and short term performance you'll gain back in platform longevity and improved performance over time.

I wouldn't touch the delided CPU given the platform is at a dead end and your mobo would be essentially worthless too - unless you were getting a money back guarantee.

Where are all these crashes and problems people seem to be reporting? This 1800x is my main work machine (I work virtually). There has not been one problem or crash since day 1.

 

[Atari2600]

Where are all these crashes and problems people seem to be reporting

Littered across this forum and others. Admittedly most are probably dicking around with settings to overclock CPU & memory... but it doesn't give me confidence in stability - and I can't really afford to have a broken PC right now.

This 1800x is my main work machine (I work virtually). There has not been one problem or crash since day 1.

Excellent. I'm glad to hear it.

What motherboard and RAM (inc timings) are you running with? (and any other peripherals you feel may influence stability).

 

[TemjinGold]

Littered across this forum and others. Admittedly most are probably dicking around with settings to overclock CPU & memory... but it doesn't give me confidence in stability - and I can't really afford to have a broken PC right now.





Excellent. I'm glad to hear it.

What motherboard and RAM (inc timings) are you running with? (and any other peripherals you feel may influence stability).

My entire system is in my signature.

 

[Atari2600]

Ah - I never look at sigs! D'oh!!

 

[William Gaatjes]

I think the 1700 would be better.

A friend of mine has just bought a GTX1080 ti and he has a i7 6700k.
He plays at 4k with everything max and with wow, he has fps dips as low as 20fps.
With his former maxwell based card, he never had this issue with the i7 6700k @1080p but did had a similar issue with his former older generation cpu (core quad) @ 1080p.
No way that the gtx 1080 ti is responsible for that, it is highly likely , that the mighty i7 6700k cannot crunch and push enough data to keep the game above at least 60fps at 4k with max settings. This is a DX11 game, so highly likely, the cpu cannot push enough drawcalls out.

That is something to consider for anybody who wants to play at 4k with max settings, that demanding games will max out the cpu with the current gpu beasts availabe. It is not for a reason AMD is pushing 8 cores. Vega needs a cpu that can keep it busy. Even with DX12 and vulcan this issue will still be present. Especially large fields with lots of players as is often the case with online multiplayer games.

And of course, for Nvidia designed gpu cards the same principle applies.

 

[moonbogg]

I still don't think resolution has anything to do with CPU performance. Higher res increases GPU load, not CPU load. Companies claiming that you need a special CPU for 4K gaming is just a blatant lie and gimmick.

 

[Rifter]

I still don't think resolution has anything to do with CPU performance. Higher res increases GPU load, not CPU load. Companies claiming that you need a special CPU for 4K gaming is just a blatant lie and gimmick.

Yeah, unless you are also streaming then the CPU demads of 4k are very low. If you are streaming though you need every ounce of CPU power you can get.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Dont buy used, you dont know what could be wrong with it or how long it will last. Besides you can get a r7 1700 non x and a Gigabyte Gaming 3 combo for $400.00 at Newegg and maybe less at Microcenter or fry's. No need to go Asus Crosshair VI Hero right now when you can save $100-$150 by going B350.

 

[TemjinGold]

Dont buy used, you dont know what could be wrong with it or how long it will last. Besides you can get a r7 1700 non x and a Gigabyte Gaming 3 combo for $400.00 at Newegg and maybe less at Microcenter or fry's. No need to go Asus Crosshair VI Hero right now when you can save $100-$150 by going B350.

No he can't. Dude is in the UK.

 

[tamz_msc]

With the UK prices being skewed and all that, I would consider the Ryzen 5 1600+Gigabyte B350 Gaming 3(or any other good B350 motherboard) as the most sensible option if it can be had for <350GBP. Unless you're aiming for the absolute highest OC, this combination would suffice to keep up with the 6700K in gaming and would breeze through light Handbrake jobs much better, with a manageable OC for general 24x7 stability.