Used 6700k or new 1700?

[spat55]

So I'm looking to upgrade my 3570k which is starting to get a little long in the tooth but not sure wherever Zen+ or Cannon Lake will be worth waiting for considering Zen has some issues that I would like to see ironed out first. So far the 1700 looks to be the best value for money once overclocked out of Ryzen however I can get a used Asus Z170-A board for £70 and look for a used 6700k for under £200 which seems to be very good value for money.

Basically what I am asking is what would you do? Mostly used for gaming with some light use of Handbrake, no streaming because of poor internet however that could change within the next year or two.

 

[ddogg]

What resolution do you game at? If it's 1400p and above I would recommend getting the 1700. Microcenter also is currently giving $100 off your purchase if you get a 1700/Mobo combo. If you game at 1080p, the 6700/7700 is a better buy. The 1700 is a far better workstation CPU though.

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[spat55]

What resolution do you game at? If it's 1400p and above I would recommend getting the 1700. Microcenter also is currently giving $100 off your purchase if you get a 1700/Mobo combo. If you game at 1080p, the 6700/7700 is a better buy. The 1700 is a far better workstation CPU though.

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Yeah I've seen that deal at Microcenter however we don't have those on this side of the pond, I do game at 1440p and am getting bottlenecked using my 1070 in BF 1 and Watch Dogs 2 (Bad optimization won't be playing it for long).

 

[Crono]

I don't think you could go wrong with either (I have both a 6700K and a 1700X, both are great for mixed use), however the 1700 would likely suit your needs a little better for those particular games plus Handbrake, especially as we see more updates and better memory support coming from the motherboard manufacturers, and more games take advantage of higher core/thread counts.

The 1600X might be an even better value, though, and 6 cores/12 threads should be plenty with a moderate overclock.

 

[krumme]

If its bf1 1700 is the way to go. Hands down. Better frametimes and less dips at the hard maps.
Take a look at computerbase.de bm. They show mp bf1 frametime bm for different maps. Give it a look.
Notice if you are primarily cpu limited and not something else. The dips can eg be cpu netcode or just a bug. But a 3570k just doesnt cut it but the bugs in new maps will still be there even with a 6900.

 

[coercitiv]

Basically what I am asking is what would you do?

You have to decide on whether you're comfortable to buy used parts or not, because as it stands now, the value of a 6700K+Z170 in good condition, at that price, cannot be beaten by Zen. That's a £280 difference that can buy you a big GPU upgrade in the summer, or simply another used CPU+mobo combo in the next 2 years, likely faster than whatever is on the market right now.

 

[ddogg]

The 6700k is also not going to be a big bump from what you have. I went from a 2500k to a 6700k and primarily did so to get the newer technology. Since you game at 1440p I would get the 1700

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[spat55]

I don't think you could go wrong with either (I have both a 6700K and a 1700X, both are great for mixed use), however the 1700 would likely suit your needs a little better for those particular games plus Handbrake, especially as we see more updates and better memory support coming from the motherboard manufacturers, and more games take advantage of higher core/thread counts.

The 1600X might be an even better value, though, and 6 cores/12 threads should be plenty with a moderate overclock.

I'd always want the 8c/16t if I was to buy Ryzen as it would feel wrong to buy a cut down version with a CH 6 motherboard, if I buy a new system I'd like to get the best motherboard available something which I really wouldn't want to do buying a "lesser" CPU.

If its bf1 1700 is the way to go. Hands down. Better frametimes and less dips at the hard maps.
Take a look at computerbase.de bm. They show mp bf1 frametime bm for different maps. Give it a look.
Notice if you are cpu limited and not something else. The dips can be cpu netcode or just a bug.

Yeah I'm always pegged at 100% CPU in BF 1 overclocking has helped but still get some stutter and with Watch Dogs 2 I get some spikes where it'll hold a 100% usage for some time which makes the load fall off my GTX 1070, since the R7 1700 came out I've wanted it but not the bugs which come with a new system.

 

[spat55]

Do you think as time goes on that the Ryzen's 8 cores will come into play more and quad cores be like how dual cores are now?

You have to decide on whether you're comfortable to buy used parts or not, because as it stands now, the value of a 6700K+Z170 in good condition, at that price, cannot be beaten by Zen. That's a £280 difference that can buy you a big GPU upgrade in the summer, or simply another used CPU+mobo combo in the next 2 years, likely faster than whatever is on the market right now.

I'm fairly comfortable buying used parts from the forum I frequent as many have good seller/buyer ratings and I don't mind not having warranty however I would prefer new, depends on the bang for buck ratio

 

[EXCellR8]

probably not.

regardless, I'd vote 1700 but the Z170 platform is super solid from my experience. AM4 should be soon, but it needs work.

 

[spat55]

probably not.

regardless, I'd vote 1700 but the Z170 platform is super solid from my experience. AM4 should be soon, but it needs work.

Yeah I keep waiting for AM4 to be stable what I don't want to do is buy a 3400mhz kit with low timings expecting it to work and be disappointed that it doesn't, for now I can wait until my next GPU upgrade but it's something I'll need to do before then. As a owner of Ryzen have you had any issues?

 

[krumme]

At the time you get the 1700 most bugs will be sorted out and you will probably also tap into the first memory latency inprovement right away.
Right now the problem is knowing if you can save on the memory. Not untill may will we know what cheaper ram is good. Right now the advice is to get some ram that runs 3200. Gladly target 2x8 at 3400 plus on may bios update.
I played bf1 operations on a 3570k at 4.2 and it was a mess. The 1700 solved the cpu issues. So i couldnt wait. Lol.

 

[crashtech]

The price difference made it an easy choice, 270GBP for that Intel setup is a great deal, you could use it for a year and not lose much on a subsequent sale.

 

[EXCellR8]

...As a owner of Ryzen have you had any issues?

I've had my fair share of issues, like a lot of other early adopters, but I can say that the actual CPU itself is a great performer. I am currently running a 3200mhz DIMM kit in limp mode and it seems to be working alright. Hopefully a new BIOS lets me run it up further but AMD basically said "good luck" with running over 2667mhz. I think some other people are having more luck with LLC modes and raising NB volts but results in general are all over the place.

I'm sort of agreeing on the price point of the Intel setup...

 

[spat55]

I've had my fair share of issues, like a lot of other early adopters, but I can say that the actual CPU itself is a great performer. I am currently running a 3200mhz DIMM kit in limp mode and it seems to be working alright. Hopefully a new BIOS lets me run it up further but AMD basically said "good luck" with running over 2667mhz. I think some other people are having more luck with LLC modes and raising NB volts but results in general are all over the place.

I'm sort of agreeing on the price point of the Intel setup...

Yeah that is the hard thing knowing what price I can get used stuff for but the one issue is I'll have to buy the motherboard first and wait for a 6700k to come up for sale which isn't that often.

If I wanted to just switch out my CPU I could always consider a 3770k for £110 and sell my 3570k but that seems to be a stupid idea.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Why are you pairing the 1700 with the C6H? If you are in the market for a used CPU to save money, then you could get a much cheaper board. You could even get a 1600.

 

[spat55]

Why are you pairing the 1700 with the C6H? If you are in the market for a used CPU to save money, then you could get a much cheaper board. You could even get a 1600.

Price to performance, if I brought a new setup I'd want a top end board however if I'm buying a £200 chip that has no issues with overclocking or overheating VRM's I'll get a mid range Z170 board. Looking at benchmarks things are so close in gaming between a 6700k/1700 however I'm also considering how things will change in the future.

 

[DooKey]

The price point on the Intel rig is hard to pass up. Grab the used Intel rig and spend the difference on an SSD and other stuff to really upgrade.

 

[spat55]

The price point on the Intel rig is hard to pass up. Grab the used Intel rig and spend the difference on an SSD and other stuff to really upgrade.

Already have the SSD's I need the only thing I'd like is VEGA to be on 1080ti performance and maybe a M.2 SSD.

 

[nathanddrews]

Ryzen is awesome, but for the price, I voted 6700K.

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

1700!!! Wait... 270 pounds? For chip and board???? That is so awfully cheap, next to impossible even.

 

[spat55]

1700!!! Wait... 270 pounds? For chip and board???? That is so awfully cheap, next to impossible even.

I've seen a 6700k delided on a forum go for £170 and a motherboard up for £70 that is still for sale so it should be doable, atm one is up for £200 but I'm sure I can move him down slightly.

 

[IEC]

If price is the main consideration, that 6700K bundle is priced right, and offers great bang for the buck.

 

[richierich1212]

Handbrake? BF1? Watchdogs 2? 1440P? Ryzen 7 1700.

Why you would consider a used, de-lidded CPU is beyond me.

Enjoy the new setup, will be faster than 3570K that's for sure.

 

[spat55]

Handbrake? BF1? Watchdogs 2? 1440P? Ryzen 7 1700.

Why you would consider a used, de-lidded CPU is beyond me.

Enjoy the new setup, will be faster than 3570K that's for sure.

Just considering my options, mostly because I see the prices but my heart says Ryzen. I struggle with upgrading because I get sentimental about my old hardware which is still decent today although the drops of FPS in BF 1 and some newer games annoys me.