use phone as GPS or get a garmin/tomtom?

mizzou

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I need a GPS device for my car...i have a 10 year old garmin that won't be worth much because the maps are ancient.

my android phone works GREAT, but I wonder if it would be better to have a dedicated device.

whacha think?
 
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mizzou

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What's your budget for GPS?

My vote is for Nokia 520/521 which is around $50 on sale and offers OFFLINE GPS navigation (does not require activation or data).

Another AT'er had the same dilemma and went the Nokia route, hopefully he'll chime in with an update.

Warning, the threads are long so I would skim them:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2367512
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2368312

I could spend around $150 I may just get a dedicated phone holder for my car...but it would be nice to just leave something there 24/7
 

RossMAN

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I could spend around $150 I may just get a dedicated phone holder for my car...but it would be nice to just leave something there 24/7

Which Android phone do you have?

Is it a Samsung Galaxy?

If you insist on a standalone GPS here are two options
http://slickdeals.net/f/7258912-gar...-updates-refurbished-99-99-with-free-shipping

http://slickdeals.net/f/7262632-garmin-n-vi-2595lmt-automobile-portable-gps-navigator-5-119-99-fs

We eventually switched from Garmin nuvi 2595 LMT (with HD traffic) to Nokia 520/521 and love it.
 

mizzou

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RossMAN

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I also have an ancient GPS, about $350 back in the day. Dayum!

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0007LJHVA/

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OverVolt

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Beep turn left, beep new text message, beep someone poked you on facebook, beep take exit 27A on the left then bear right, beep you have a spam email.

No thanks, dedicated device for me.
 

RossMAN

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Beep turn left, beep new text message, beep someone poked you on facebook, beep take exit 27A on the left then bear right, beep you have a spam email.

No thanks, dedicated device for me.

It's a good thing the Nokia Lumia 520/521 don't have to be activated so you won't receive any phone calls, text messages or people poking you :eek:
 

Muse

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What's your budget for GPS?

My vote is for Nokia 520/521 which is around $50 on sale and offers OFFLINE GPS navigation (does not require activation or data).

Another AT'er had the same dilemma and went the Nokia route, hopefully he'll chime in with an update.

Warning, the threads are long so I would skim them:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2367512
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2368312
Yup, that was me. I carry my Nokia Lumia 520 everyday, everywhere. It's in my left front hip pocket, with nothing else, so the screen won't get scratched.

As a GPS it's absolutely adequate, IMO. When using it in that capacity, I go to the main screen and tap the icon for Here Drive. It loads in about 6-7 seconds, and I can pick a "recent destination" or get a new one. I can enter an address, or enter something like "costco" etc. If the latter, it will give me several Costco's in the region to choose from. I hit the [Start navigation] button and the show begins. I stick with the default female voice, and it's very clear, plenty loud, even with my substandard hearing I have no problem making her out.

I downloaded the California maps as soon as I got the 520, haven't ventured out of CA yet. Mostly, the instructions are accurate.

After trying out the GPS functionality of the 520, I returned my unopened Garmin ~$150 GPS to Costco for a full refund.
Beep turn left, beep new text message, beep someone poked you on facebook, beep take exit 27A on the left then bear right, beep you have a spam email.

No thanks, dedicated device for me.
That's not the way it works with the 520. I'll hear something like "in 500 yards turn left onto McDonald Avenue." Just as I approach the intersection she'll say "now turn left." And then, if I'm going to make a right soon, I'll hear "keep right."

Occasionally the instructions aren't accurate, mostly they are very accurate. For instance, sometimes, if a street makes a slight turn one way it's interpreted as a turn. So, yes, I've found myself cursing because I got off track by virtue of inaccurate maps or device interpretation of maps, but I bet that even "dedicated" GPS's have those glitches. Mostly, I can trust it. But sometimes it's flat out wrong and you have to keep in mind the notion that sometimes you have to override the instructions, be prepared to do so. It might entail stopping, even restarting Here Drive. The great majority of trips have no glitches at all, fortunately.

Using Here Drive does not use data. I do have a data plan, it's $10/mo. using Airvoice. The minutes roll over and I now have $50 credit, I have auto-refill set up against a credit card. I'm going to call them at some point soon and ask if I can change to the $10 for 3 months plan and keep my current credit. I just don't make many calls with it, don't give out the number to people unless I need them to be able to call me away from the house, the main reason being that I don't get service at home, at least not reliably (AT&T network, spotty in a lot of places in my region). That doesn't worry me, because I don't need cell phone service except on occasion and on those occasions I usually have service.

By default, the 520 using Here Drive shows a map on the screen while navigating. I stand it in one of the cup holders under my dash, it's perfectly positioned, and I can see the map. But usually I don't require the map, the voiced instructions are all I want and I just hit the lock screen button on the side to turn off the screen and save the battery. I bought a cheap device that plugs into the car's cigarette lighter into which I can insert a charging cable to charge the 520. If you have the screen lit while navigating it does use a fair amount of juice. It's handy if I'm driving and find my battery low, I can just charge as I drive.

I bought a low profile protective case for the 520, but don't use it. I prefer to just slip it in my pocket when not using, it's been fine. The case would just make it bulkier and heavier. I bought two extra batteries, which I keep >75% charged in the fridge. Popping a battery in/out takes <10 seconds, more like 5.

The 520 has been a tremendous thing for me, certainly in terms of driving in my region. If I'm at all uncertain, I just set it up on Here Drive in the car. I don't drive a lot, so I do use it often, even in areas I've been in a lot. Over the years I've been much more into bicycling than driving a car. It's a way different thing driving, largely because highways are the thing in a car when practical, impossible on a bike when it's not a street.

If I'm doing the bike thing or walking, I can still use the 520. I use a different app, Here Maps.

I've downloaded a ton of apps, most of which I've never checked out. One of my favorite apps is MyAppFree. Every day they have another app you can download free that day. Mostly they are for-$ apps, that want the promotion, I guess. I never DL games, a lot of them are games. One exception, a couple of days ago I DLed Blek. The reviews were all 5 star, I figured I'd give it a go. I've only paid for a handful of apps, probably not more than 5 bucks worth.

Not long ago I went to Amazon and bought a 64GB microSD card for the 520. Man, that's a lot of storage! Windows Phone 8.1 allows you to store videos, music and photos (and app downloads!) to the SD card. I have a ton of huge MP3s on it, copied all my data from my previous 32GB card to the new bigger card, have the 32GB microSD card in my DSLR in a microSD-->SD adapter.

It amazes me that I can buy a 64GB microSD card (that they even exist!) for ~$30. I remember when a 1GB 3.5" HD cost ~$1000.
 
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Muse

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It's a good thing the Nokia Lumia 520/521 don't have to be activated so you won't receive any phone calls, text messages or people poking you :eek:
If I were doing navigation with my 520 and didn't want to get any calls, etc. (or in a meeting, movie, etc.) I would either turn on Airplane Mode or turn off cellular data. One of my favorite apps, that I use every single day is Battery, which has icons to turn cellular, wifi, bluetooth and Airplane Mode on/off.
 

luv2liv

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use phone as a GPS. satellite lock on is ridiculously fast within 5 seconds on my HTC one. with my Garmin, i could be waiting as long as 2 mins. so i see u got an android phone already, download Nokia Here. it lets you download all the maps in usa or parts of it. i got all 6gb of it!
 

notposting

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Depends on if you're having any problems with the "phone as GPS" solution that you are looking to solve.

As others have mentioned, with a "real" GPS you generally have slower startup, slower locks (especially if it is in a new area from last used, or cloudy/trees/sunspots/parking-garage/etc, interface and search usually clumsier and limited, often resistive screens unless paying a lot...

Now, we actually keep a Garmin around, multi-hour trips it is good (a lot of the new phones will outdraw a car charger when pounding a big screen, LTE, GPS, quad core, sitting on a dash in the heat, etc), and also because I'm super cheap and have never bothered to get a good universal car mount either.

So I sometimes use it in the Metro area when I'm going to be doing that "just long enough 40 minute drive to space out and miss my exit". Got it from Costco and it has lifetime map updates and traffic.
 

Imp

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I'd get an outdoor hiking model. Battery life is actually usable. Way more expensive though.
 

lxskllr

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I'd use the 10 year old Garmin. Back in the day, I navigated with paper maps older than 10 years. I currently use my phone, and would never consider a stand-alone unit.
 

corkyg

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Personally, I prefer my Garmin. It is in the car on a beanbag mount - easy to change cars. It has a lifetime map update which I do about every 6 months using my laptop. My phone is capable, but I prefer to leave it alone. I only turn it ON when I want to make a call. I actually dislike being called. :)
 
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Crono

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Muse saved me a lot of trouble, his post is pretty much my thoughts on the phone as well. The Lumia 520/521 is just an excellent value.
I had a Lumia 521 during an HSN sale last year, and only recently got rid of mine to consolidate my phones down to just the Lumia Icon. I have a cupholder mount, which works well enough, but I usually don't bother it except for longer trips since it presses the volume buttons unless I place it just right. :D

Most Android phones with GPS are okay in a pinch, but I've had less issues with offline maps and using Nokia's HERE suite of apps than with Google Maps. Waze is pretty great when you do have connectivity on any smartphone, though. The 520/521 makes an excellent cheap media player, too, especially since it takes microSD without issue. No brainer purchase for the price. Not a bad phone, either, and Windows Phone has gotten better and better. Haven't had any real issues with 8.1 and with latest updates through Developer Preview.

I still have 4 spare batteries for the Lumia 521, too. They were something like $8 each, OEM Nokia batteries. Got them off Amazon, if I remember correctly. Made it a good emergency/backup phone. I used it as a dedicated authenticator (Microsoft Authenticator app is similar to Google's for 2-step) for a little while.
 
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Muse

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Personally, I prefer my Darmin. It is in the car on a beanbag mount - easy to change cars. It has a lifetime map update which I do about every 6 months using my laptop. My phone is capable, but I prefer to leave it alone. I only turn it ON when I want to make a call. I actually dislike being called. :)
I'll paraphrase Neitsche (he wrote in German, after all):

One should have one day a week to open mail and then take a bath.
 

marcplante

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Depends on how you use your phone. Mine wakes me up every morning with weather and news headlines. Then before I get in my car, I get a notification of the traffic conditions to work and alternate routes that I can see on the map to decide what to do. It also gives me speaker phone functionality since I am in a hands-free state. Yes talking in the car is important is you have kids and a 45-90 minute commute each way. Having early and late conference calls in the car keeps my work day a reasonable length.
 
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Red Storm

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Beep turn left, beep new text message, beep someone poked you on facebook, beep take exit 27A on the left then bear right, beep you have a spam email.

No thanks, dedicated device for me.

Never been an issue for me.