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USA to rest of world: Buzz off! (as told by P.J. O'Rourke)

glenn1

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Great piece by P.J. O'Rourke today in the WSJ... Story link,

(excerpts follow)

"...we know what you other foreigners are up to with your Faustian bargaining sessions, your venomous covenants, lying alliances, greedy agreements, back-stabbing ententes cordiales, and trick-or-treat treaty ploys. Count us out.

And, while we're counting, let's count all the nations on the face of the earth that really count. The number seems to be one. Russia used to be a superpower but resigned "to spend more time with the family." China is supposed to be mighty. But the Chinese leadership sweats and trembles when a couple hundred Falun Gong members show up in Tianamen Square for a mass tai chi workout.

The United States, with 4.5% of the world's population and 6% of its land area, produces one-fifth of everything in the world. And we consume even more than that. No nation compares to America in wealth. Certainly not Japan. Japan turned out to be a macroeconomic Pokémon craze. Impoverished citizens of the developing world do not wade the Pacific in the middle of the night seeking a better life in Japan.

No nation compares to America in influence. American fashions, entertainment, aspirations and ideals dominate the planet the way Chandra Levy dominates Fox News Channel. Britain, France and Germany are obscure branch offices of American culture and may be closed in the interests of rational consolidation.

As for comparisons in matters of life and death, America spends more on defense than the next 12 top defense-spending countries combined. If the U.S. is going to be involved in military multilateralism, it should ask its partner nations that ancient question of diplomacy, 'You and what army?'

Or is the point of multilateralism simply that America is expected to imitate the elder and better nations of Europe? They, in their wisdom, decided that their continent did not have enough government and needed one more big one. After Hitler, Napoleon and Attila the Hun, the Europeans should know where this leads. Undeterred by historical example, however, the EU looks to fulfill the age-old dream of having a country of English cooks, German lovers, French defense forces and Italian efficiency experts...

But the rest of the world should not push America too far with claims upon international relations. The earth is not a family. And only an idiot would try multilateralism in a family, anyway. If you foreigners want America to join in a family marriage of nations, fine. But I warn you, we will be a strict dad. Because it's our planet. And we said so. "


 
Hey,it beats the Canada bashing USA threadfs I have been seeing so much of lately. Why can't everyone just get along and agree to agree that the USA is the best country on the planet.!.!
 
"Russia used to be a superpower but resigned "to spend more time with the family.""

See how rapid those things happen?

"China is supposed to be mighty. But the Chinese leadership sweats and trembles when a couple hundred Falun Gong members show up in Tianamen Square for a mass tai chi workout."

They don't sweat and tremble, they lock and load. Opression shows a psychologically weak government, but not necesarrily makes it less mighty. If China was a weak country, the US wouldn't feel like watching them as closely as you do.

"Japan turned out to be a macroeconomic Pokémon craze."

It's all penis envy because the Japanese still make the better consoles. 😉

"Impoverished citizens of the developing world do not wade the Pacific in the middle of the night seeking a better life in Japan."

And the point is ... ? Warning: Rhetorical question, I noticed that he thinks that's true for the US (ask some million Mexicans if they like the reception, though). Even if, that doesn't mean much, because the USA have traditionally been an immigration country (and Japan has not), which, I could imagine, is also mirrored in its immigrational policies.

"The United States, with 4.5% of the world's population and 6% of its land area, produces one-fifth of everything in the world. And we consume even more than that."

Wow, what a genius. He actually figured out the global trend of vastly richer countries producing and consuming more than poor, third-world countries, which have been and still are being used mercilessly by those first world countries for, oh, about 500 years. That the USA are leading just shows us that you are not willing or able to change this perverted distribution.

"American fashions, entertainment, aspirations and ideals dominate the planet the way Chandra Levy dominates Fox News Channel. Britain, France and Germany are obscure branch offices of American culture and may be closed in the interests of rational consolidation."

LOL! Well, that probably depends on what you consider culture. Boy groups and McDonalds? Sure. Classic music or Literature? No. That being said, America's cultural influence is undoubtly non-proportional, and I enjoy it very much. That doesn't necessarily make it extraordinarly valuable, though.

"America spends more on defense than the next 12 top defense-spending countries combined."

Yeah, well, somehow the people paying for the respective presidents ad campaign have to be thanked, I guess. It's also rare the sad global trend of rearmament, lead by the USA, is shown in such a positive light. Maybe the president is not the only having to return favours to the industry behind the murder.

"If the U.S. is going to be involved in military multilateralism, it should ask its partner nations that ancient question of diplomacy, 'You and what army?'"

50 years isn't even ancient in American history terms. Beside that, see the above point: owning enough weaponry to kill every human being on the planet several times is hardly a point to boast about.

"After Hitler, Napoleon and Attila the Hun, the Europeans should know where this leads. Undeterred by historical example, however, the EU looks to fulfill the age-old dream of having a country of English cooks, German lovers, French defense forces and Italian efficiency experts."

There's no difference between Napoleon and Hitler compared to the EU? Nice. Anyway, if one European country had relentlessly wiped out every other civilisation in Europe, or had prisoned them on extremely small territories, we'd have a human monoculture, here, too.
 


<< Hey,it beats the Canada bashing USA threadfs I have been seeing so much of lately. Why can't everyone just get along and agree to agree that the USA is the best country on the planet.!.! >>



Hate to break it to you, but that article was a sarcastic look at U.S. foreign affairs, not a nationalistic foreign nations bashing.
 


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<< Hey,it beats the Canada bashing USA threadfs I have been seeing so much of lately. Why can't everyone just get along and agree to agree that the USA is the best country on the planet.!.! >>



Hate to break it to you, but that article was a sarcastic look at U.S. foreign affairs, not a nationalistic foreign nations bashing.
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Really??? This is the final two paragraphs:

"America is not an insular country. Unilateralism is not isolationism. America has always been outward-looking, as the beleaguered Sioux and high-tailing Mexican armies of the century before last could testify. An isolationist America would mean New York State champagne and Mississippi catfish caviar. And there is an intrinsic element of the multilateral in the American character. Look at our malls. We are perfectly willing to accept what the rest of the world deems good--if it comes in attractive colors.

But the rest of the world should not push America too far with claims upon international relations. The earth is not a family. And only an idiot would try multilateralism in a family, anyway. If you foreigners want America to join in a family marriage of nations, fine. But I warn you, we will be a strict dad. Because it's our planet. And we said so. "

 
I'm happily living as far away from the U.S. as is currently humanly possible, and I love it. 😛

Don't get me wrong, the U.S. is a great place, but I'd rather live here.
 
I don't really care all that much about the USA. They're just a bunch of arrogant offspring of criminals who think they own the world.

Heck, my CPU was made in germany, my motherboard in Taiwan, my videocard in canada, soundcard in germany, dvd and cdrw in japan. Hardly any appliances in my house were made in the US

The USA is no longerking of the hill technology wise, but it seems they still think they are.

and before you get all pissed off, check this out: <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame29.html" target=blank>Link
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Aelus
 
Which is why i added the link 😉

I'm kind of tired of these kind of topics, so i figured to post a spicy reply, which was probably the goal of the original poster, so why not give him what he wants?

Aelus
 


<< I don't really care all that much about the USA. They're just a bunch of arrogant offspring of criminals who think they own the world. >>



Ummm, isn't that Australia???

We're the bunch of religious outcasts. Australia is the bunch of criminals (former prison colony).

😀
 
Ok, you're right. Maybe religous fanatics would have been better worded

note to self: upon flaming aussies, call them criminals.

Aelus
 
Keep up attitudes like that and people like PJ Rourke won't have to worry about it anymore. There is no magical doctrine saying the US will be the greatest nation on earth forever. The amount of time the US has had the biggest influence is but a blip on the radar screen of time.

"Russia used to be a superpower but resigned "to spend more time with the family.""

See how rapid those things happen?


Exactly. Easy come easy go. Enjoy it while it lasts and don't piss off the rest of the world too much in the meantime.
 


<< Hate to break it to you, but that article was a sarcastic look at U.S. foreign affairs, not a nationalistic foreign nations bashing. >>



PJ O'Rourke being sarcastic? LOL, say it isn't so. Here's some other quotes from him and some more as well... you know though, that good sarcasm and humor always have a kernel of truth in them 😉
 
Well I read a book by PJ once ( Don't remember the title ) and while I liked the book, especially his sense of humour, he came across as another loud "We got the bombs, We are the best!!" kind of american. My own image of the typhical american is a Southerner named Billy-Bob who likes to drive around in his pickup shooting at black people with his 357 Magnum ( the preferred handgun of white trash ).

Generally a lot of americans seems to get pissed off about the french ( I know PJ does ), and based on this sentiment they seem to want to bash all europeans. The french are another story altoghether since they have a napoleonic complex the size of the moon.


By the way, Attila was from what we today call mongolia, therefor NOT a european.


PS Im being slightly sarcastic and overly provocative just to lure out those good 'ole Commie hating hillbilies...
 


<< PS Im being slightly sarcastic and overly provocative just to lure out those good 'ole Commie hating hillbilies... >>



Heck Spix, you're from Sweden, even though as a European you're automatically thought of suspiciously by us Yanks, you do have the Strohs Swedish bikini team 😉 so you're okay with us pickup truck drivin', .357 Magnum shootin', " Yore-a-peein' hatin' " hillbillies...
 


<< Generally a lot of americans seems to get pissed off about the french ( I know PJ does ), and based on this sentiment they seem to want to bash all europeans. The french are another story altoghether since they have a napoleonic complex the size of the moon.
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Except for a few Canadians and the French themselves, _everyone_ hates the French! A killer jellyfish is more sociable than a Frenchman!
 
While I often joke about hating the French, and even though I think the Simpsons episode joking about it is hilarious ("Tell me Homer, if you could destroy either Italy or France, which would you choose?" - "France!" - "HAH! Nobody says Italy!"), I don't really hate them. I really hope and think the same is true for everyone here. I'd have been sure, but I am not anymore.
 


<< While I often joke about hating the French, and even though I think the Simpsons episode joking about it is hilarious ("Tell me Homer, if you could destroy either Italy or France, which would you choose?" - "France!" - "HAH! Nobody says Italy!"), I don't really hate them. I really hope and think the same is true for everyone here. I'd have been sure, but I am not anymore. >>



We Dutch live only a few hundred miles away from them, so we know better than most: Everything you hear about the French isn't true, it's far worse than that!
 
you do have the Strohs Swedish bikini team so you're okay with us pickup truck drivin', .357 Magnum shootin', " Yore-a-peein' hatin' " hillbillies...

Yepp the swedish bikini team is legendary in the states......
 
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<< Why does everyone hate the French? Don't compare them to the French Canadians though. They are alot different and friendlier IMO >>



Nah, we don't have a problem with you Canucks for the most part, SSP. We just have a strong dislike for the French proper, or in the eternal words of Groundskeeper Willy from The Simpsons, "the cheese eatin' surrender monkeys" 😉
 
O'Rourke is an idiot. During the Seoul Olympics, he wrote a travelogue piece for Rolling Stone (Oct. 1988) in which he made racist remarks about Korean facial features.
 
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