US withdrawing from TPP, renegotiating NAFTA

[Jaskalas]

I wouldn't make the assertion if I couldn't back it up-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...donald-trumps-success/?utm_term=.9a35aa755b69

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/

Your article for "exit poles" dated May 3, 2016.

Primary is not General election.

1: Yes, Republican voters are wealthier than Democrat voters.
2: No, Republican voters did not hand Trump the swing states.
3: Much of the swing came from rural areas that are crippled, described as white ghettos.​

 

[MongGrel]

I hated most variables of NAFTA before it was ever passed at the time.

Probably one of the largest reason why Hillary was not elected with TPP and the past issues.

Trump will probably be a higher order of magnitude worse.

 

[MongGrel]

Your article for "exit poles" dated May 3, 2016.

Primary is not General election.

1: Yes, Republican voters are wealthier than Democrat voters.
2: No, Republican voters did not hand Trump the swing states.
3: Much of the swing came from rural areas that are crippled, described as white ghettos.​

2016 seem like yesterday to me, I remember when I was younger if I'd see 2000.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I actually hope that Trump does withdraw us form these so called free trade deals. Just wait until Chinese made products begin climbing in price and since they're the only ones making it well....you know how it goes. We can't make the things here in many instances because our available labor pool isn't qualified to operate the equipment to do so.

 

[ivwshane]

I actually hope that Trump does withdraw us form these so called free trade deals. Just wait until Chinese made products begin climbing in price and since they're the only ones making it well....you know how it goes. We can't make the things here in many instances because our available labor pool isn't qualified to operate the equipment to do so.

That sounds great. Tell me, how long from the time we end our trade agreements till when we start manufacturing our own stuff? Does it happen right before the snow ball of job losses due to the loss in exports or after record unemployment and massive inflation? And once wages drop due to the high unemployment rates we will surely see, does manufacturing come back because our wages are on par with those countries we ended our trade agreements with or because we can no longer compete on the world stage because China now sets the world's monetary policy?

 

[agent00f]

So one size fits all? Never met a group where that applied before. Muslims are terrorists and blacks criminals. Well, no. People are far more complex than you might want them to be. Were some as you say? Sure, but let me know if you situation becomes hopeless and you have a family to provide for. People who are vulnerable make poor choices, or it this only blue collar people? Can't use that broad a brush.

Makes perfect sense why your sort are compelled to claim those peers who blame all their problems on lower class ethnicities or leftards are somehow good or complex. Keep pretending those trumpsters who you're aware average 72k/yr are in "hopeless" situations make it pretty clear your own goodness or complexity.

 

[agent00f]

Your article for "exit poles" dated May 3, 2016.

Primary is not General election.

1: Yes, Republican voters are wealthier than Democrat voters.
2: No, Republican voters did not hand Trump the swing states.
3: Much of the swing came from rural areas that are crippled, described as white ghettos.​

Speaking of cut from the same cloth, that Gallop study which I've also pointed you to before was released Aug. Such studies do not somehow only survey primary voters, not that you'd ever read any of them. Of course it's a foregone conclusion that conservatives completely ignore the most comprehensive & direct & scientific studies on just about everything for their alternate facts.

 

[BoomerD]

Too many people blame Bill Clinton for NAFTA, when in reality, that was GHW Bush's baby from the start. HE signed the agreement, then passed on to Clinton the job of signing it into law after Congress ratified the agreements. (and Clinton added a couple of provisions to try to protect American workers and the environment.)

The various trade agreements might benefit business...but all too often, at the cost of American jobs.

 

[KMFJD]

I actually hope that Trump does withdraw us form these so called free trade deals. Just wait until Chinese made products begin climbing in price and since they're the only ones making it well....you know how it goes. We can't make the things here in many instances because our available labor pool isn't qualified to operate the equipment to do so.

If they can get uneducated people in 3rd world countries to make this crap then i'm pretty sure they can make it in the USA

 

[Puffnstuff]

If they can get uneducated people in 3rd world countries to make this crap then i'm pretty sure they can make it in the USA

There are lots of jobs in this country right now that are going unfilled because of a lack of qualified applicants.

 

[KMFJD]

There are lots of jobs in this country right now that are going unfilled because of a lack of qualified applicants.

If they need these people badly enough perhaps make the training/education a bit more affordable through government/company programs?

 

[Meghan54]

If they need these people badly enough perhaps make the training/education a bit more affordable through government/company programs?

The ironing is strong.

 

[Puffnstuff]

UOTE="KMFJD, post: 38697349, member: 177333"]If they need these people badly enough perhaps make the training/education a bit more affordable through government/company programs?[/QUOTE]
Its called FAFSA and anybody can apply for it. Go to school and get a degree to make yourself more valuable to employers. Those looking for handout pipedreams are going up in a cloud of smoke.

 

[1prophet]

iPhones are too cheap. TVs are too cheap. Americans are ready to pay higher prices. People don't want drones, they want couriers. He's gonna bring back all the old jobs we used to have like Longshoreman and coal miner. Maybe even break off trade with mexico and screw the agriculture industry (which deserves to be screwed).


i am really hoping he gets on to cutting obamacare. we need to get this shit show on the road, no point in doddling along at the precipice of a national disaster when that thousand foot drop is calling our names.

If you are able to pay them 15 dollars an hour with benefits, under American EPA, OSHA, and Labor regulations to burger flippers you have no excuse not to pay Americans the same or more for an I-phone or TV.,

unless of course you are a phony liberal who loves to preach high wages, rules and regulations until you have to reach in your pocket to pay for them,

no different than our new hypocrite limousine liberals that want all sorts of rules and regulations on taxi companies but then balk at the high prices and run to companies like Uber who avoids most of those costs and liabilities so you can enjoy your cheap fares.

 

[feralkid]

If you are able to pay them 15 dollars an hour with benefits, under American EPA, OSHA, and Labor regulations to burger flippers you have no excuse not to pay Americans the same or more for an I-phone or TV.,

unless of course you are a phony liberal who loves to preach high wages, rules and regulations until you have to reach in your pocket to pay for them,

no different than our new hypocrite limousine liberals that want all sorts of rules and regulations on taxi companies but then balk at the high prices and run to companies like Uber who avoids most of those costs and liabilities so you can enjoy your cheap fares.

Beat them strawmen, beat them good!

 

[SheHateMe]

Personally, I can't wait until he starts taking away things so I can watch his supports start to tweet about how upset they are. All those poor people about to find out that he just needed your vote so that he could help his buddies bring in more cash for their companies.

I am very eager for the tears to spill over the ACA being gutted. We are about to see those "death panels" the Republicans said Obama was supposed to be setting up.

 

[Homerboy]

In the case of the iPhone I'd say apple can dial their profits back a bit and consumers can make some effort to own them more than 18 months. I have experience in this topic.

I do agree with this sorta. The retail prices of many of these items could stay the same, but that would require Apple etc to reduce their profit margins. But if they reduce their profit margins, then they reduce their profits and therefore their stock price as well. If the prices go up due to new tariffs/taxes then people will buy less (I assume) and if people buy less, then their profits go down and therefore their stock price goes does as well.

 

[FIVR]

It is a circular, regressive policy to tax and put tariffs on imports in order to "force" people to buy American. There is a reason free trade benefits people, and it is quite simple: It is easier to grow Bananas in Brazil and it is easier to acquire Tuna in the seas off of Japan than it is to produce either of those items in the US. Conversely, it is easier to produce grains and corn in the US than it is to produce in those two countries. This happens with many thousands of different products that everyone buys.

If Trump gets his way, we will all have to get our Tuna from the west coast and eastern seaboard, lowering quality as well as supply. We will have to grow our own bananas at nigh triple the cost, or import them at a tariff (which is what people will do)... which will raise prices and reduce demand and profits for those companies. Protectionism is a terrible policy that hurts everyone .


Except Trump and his $Billionare buddies. They can afford to pay the tariffs, they don't care.

 

[Homerboy]

Except Trump and his $Billionare buddies. They can afford to pay the tariffs, they don't care.

I want to be a "Billionaire Buddy"

 

[Maxima1]

There are lots of jobs in this country right now that are going unfilled because of a lack of qualified applicants.

Aggregate demand is still weak with a substantial number job seeking v. job openings. Companies are putting up more openings now, but not with much intention to fill them. They can be very selective in trying to find the ideal candidate (e.g. college degree/experience for a position that doesn't even need it) because the economy still isn't that hot.

 

[Thump553]

Withdrawing from the TPP is the single biggest boost to Red China's economic prospects in years. TPP was designed by GWB's administration to help contain China. Now China is making individual treaties as fast as it can with it's Pacific neighbors, all of which will exclude the US.

An emotional response by US voters that totally backfired, way to go.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

As if the TPP was guaranteed to be ratified by all the members come February. The US currently has trade agreements with all of the countries that made up the TPP. Looks like the Trump administration will be looking to improve the current trade agreements.

 

[Phynaz]

Trade policies supported by the MPAA are most likely not in our best interest.