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US vetoes UN resolution on Israeli settlements

JEDIYoda

JEDIYoda

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I knew this would be the case! But at this juncture in time -- who cares??

I like this sentence -- fueled by hopes for democracy, which the Obama administration supports. -- but you see we don`t want a Muslim Democracy in the middle east we want an American Democracy -- YEs there is a huge difference in the two!!


Ok..Time to pull up a chair and let the caca hit the fan..lolol


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110218/ap_on_re_us/un_un_palestinians_israel

UNITED NATIONS – The United States vetoed a U.N. resolution Friday that would have condemned "illegal" Israeli settlements and demanded an immediate halt to all settlement building, a move certain to anger Arab countries and Palestinian supporters around the world.

The 14 other Security Council members voted in favor of the resolution in Friday's vote, reflecting the wide support for the Palestinian-backed draft which had over 100 co-sponsors.

The Palestinians insist they will not resume peace talks until Israel halts settlement building in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which they want as a capital. Israeli-Palestinian peace talks collapsed just weeks after they restarted in September because Israel ended a 10-month moratorium on settlement construction.

Explaining the U.S. veto, U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice said the overriding issue for the Obama administration was whether the resolution would lead to renewed peace negotiations.

"Unfortunately, this draft resolution risks hardening the positions of both sides," she said.

Rice said the United States did not want the veto to be "misunderstood" as support for continued Israeli settlement construction.

"We reject in the strongest terms the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlement activity," she said.

It was the 10th U.S. veto on a Mideast issue since 2001 and the first by the Obama administration. The last U.S. veto in the Security Council was Nov. 11, 2006 on a resolution calling for an end to Israeli military operations and the immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Gaza Strip.

The vetoed resolution would have reaffirmed "that the Israeli settlements established in the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, are illegal and constitute a major obstacle to the achievement of a just, lasting and comprehensive peace."

It would have reiterated previous council demands "that Israel, the occupying power, immediately and completely ceases all settlement activities..."

The Palestinians rejected U.S. efforts to substitute a weaker Security Council presidential statement for the legally binding resolution and decided to go ahead with a vote after Palestinian leaders meeting in Ramallah earlier Friday gave their unanimous approval.

The call for a U.N. vote put President Barack Obama in a difficult position, both internationally and domestically.

The U.S. veto of the resolution — which has about 130 co-sponsors — will likely anger Arab nations and much of the rest of the world at a time of growing street protests in the Mideast, fueled by hopes for democracy, which the Obama administration supports.

An abstention would anger the Israelis, the closest U.S. ally in the region, as well as Democratic and Republican supporters of Israel in the U.S. Congress.

In a U.S. attempt to find a compromise, Obama and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas spoke by telephone for 50 minutes on Thursday and Abbas spoke Friday to U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Rice expressed regret that the U.S.-proposed presidential statement wasn't accepted as an alternative.

It would have reaffirmed that the Security Council "does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlement activity, which is a serious obstacle to the peace process." It also would have had the council condemn "all forms of violence, including rocket fire from Gaza" and stress the need for "calm and security" for Israelis and Palestinians.

Several countries took themselves off the list of co-sponsors of the final draft including Syria, which didn't think the resolution was strong enough, and Libya which wants a single state for Israelis and Palestinians.

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And this is why we can't ever get the UN to do anything that we feel is important, because China and Russia don't appreciate our constant veto of anything related to Israel.

So it goes...on and on.....
 
JEDIYoda said:
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Several countries took themselves off the list of co-sponsors of the final draft including Syria, which didn't think the resolution was strong enough, and Libya which wants a single state for Israelis and Palestinians.

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David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
 
Amazing, quite a few Middle Eastern/African islamic States are in turmoil. Their leaders are cracking down on their citizens in various ways. Yet, the UN seems to only be focusing on israel?
 
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Where is Lemonloser? Surely he'll be here to tell us that the UN and Obama will unite to lay the smackdown on Israel.
 
SandEagle said:
David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
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Also you are not quoting me you are quoting the article...duh...

Nice try taking what Gurion said out of context --

this quote is offered out of context. ben gurion was referring to the nature of the palestinian narrative, not the nature of jewish colonization. he is saying, “what do they care that this is our inheritance? they believe it belongs to them. you can’t change that.”

“And We said after him to the Children of Israel: ‘Dwell in the land, then, when the time of the second promise comes, We will bring you all together as a mixed crowd.’” al-quran 17:104

the zionist failure is not in the belief of the right of the descendants of jacob to the land of israel — the quran makes their inheritance clear. rather, the complaint of islam against the jewish people is that they have turned away from g-d, as they had been warned against repeatedly — in the case of zionism, exalting european notions of race and nationhood above devotion to g-d. israel’s failure, as repeatedly elucidated in tanakh, has been that they turn from g-d’s way, even in their supposed piety.

zev jabotinsky wrote, “There is no justice, no law, and no God in heaven, only a single law which decides and supercedes all: settlement [of Israel].”

Israel can only be redeemed through righteousness and repentance, not through bloodshed.


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We already know that the Palestinians do not really care about the freezing of settlements. It has been an excuse to not have to committ themselves toward peace.
 
Sinsear said:
Where is Lemonloser? Surely he'll be here to tell us that the UN and Obama will unite to lay the smackdown on Israel.
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Well here I am, and its clear that Obama is unwilling to stand up to the Israeli lobby in the USA.

And into the indefinite future, the question will be and remain for the USA, at what point in time will the USA's unconditional support of Israel become too costly for the USA to sustain?
And further, at what point will the USA be finally forced to dope slap Israel because not doing so will prove too costly to US interests?

Right now Israel under Bozo Netanyuhu is like the man who fell off a 100 story building, as the falling man fell past the 50'th story, he said so far so good.
 
IKnoWhatsBest4U said:
That land clearly belongs to Israel. Palestinians should find somewhere else to live.
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You who now best is clearly full of shit.

The whole idea of forming the State of Israel in 1948 was to solve a Jewish refugee crisis, yet all Israel has done is to create an even bigger Palestinian refugee crisis. As the Nation of Israel became the New Nazi's Pigs.
 
is the US and obama going to trust a nation its been allies with for decades. a nation that has given the US soviet technologies during the cold war, constantly advances our own military, has hundreds of US companies working there to advance our standard of living...

or these arab countries which are popping like balloons left and right?


for what?? OIL? really?!!

whats going to happen when the oil runs out and the arab nation's economies crash and burn into a blithering hell because they didnt set themselves up right now?

we have enough oil to sustain ourselves after their oil runs out anyways (for a few decades at least)


im pretty sure innovation > Oil in the long run.
 
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Lemon law said:
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You who now best is clearly full of shit.

The whole idea of forming the State of Israel in 1948 was to solve a Jewish refugee crisis, yet all Israel has done is to create an even bigger Palestinian refugee crisis. As the Nation of Israel became the New Nazi's Pigs.
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sure its all israel's fault that the UN voted in its favor.

its all israel's fault 7 arab nations attacked it on the day after its declaration of independence.


sure israel should be bending over and taking it up the ass because of other nations.
 
The defect in the FGD contentions is, "sure its all israel's fault that the UN voted in its favor."

Wrong again FGD, in this case the UN did not vote in Israel's favor, its the USA who was the lone ranger in vetoing the resolution in the UN again.

The point being FGD, that one fine day that may be coming soon, not even the USA will save Israel's butt with a Veto on the UN.

At the end of the day, Bozo Netanyuhu saying fuck you Obama and Fuck you the USA is going to backfire big time on Israel.
 
Lemon law said:
At the end of the day, Bozo Netanyuhu saying fuck you Obama and Fuck you the USA is going to backfire big time on Israel.
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making things up again I see!!
You still dreaming that any of this will ever backfire????

sad....good mushrooms though....
 
Karl Agathon said:
Amazing, quite a few Middle Eastern/African islamic States are in turmoil. Their leaders are cracking down on their citizens in various ways. Yet, the UN seems to only be focusing on israel?
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This. The Israel/Palestine issue, while a legitimate issue in its own right, is the perfect scapegoat of those who want to keep their populations distracted from domestic issues.
 
Lemon law said:
The defect in the FGD contentions is, "sure its all israel's fault that the UN voted in its favor."

Wrong again FGD, in this case the UN did not vote in Israel's favor, its the USA who was the lone ranger in vetoing the resolution in the UN again.

The point being FGD, that one fine day that may be coming soon, not even the USA will save Israel's butt with a Veto on the UN.

At the end of the day, Bozo Netanyuhu saying fuck you Obama and Fuck you the USA is going to backfire big time on Israel.
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what in the hell is wrong with your logic?

You said this

The whole idea of forming the State of Israel in 1948 was to solve a Jewish refugee crisis, yet all Israel has done is to create an even bigger Palestinian refugee crisis. As the Nation of Israel became the New Nazi's Pigs.
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I directly answered that.

the UN voted in Israel's favor. they created the UN.

it was not israel nor the UNs desire for 7 arab nations to attack it, but it happened and israel won.


so stop going off topic.

the UN created israel. Israel did not force their hand.

The UN created the palestinian refugee problem. not israel
 
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The fact that 7 Arab nations attacked Israel in 1948 is ancient history, the fact that Israel
had decided to be remain pigs and thieves 62 years later, is the current issue.
 
Lemon law said:
The fact that 7 Arab nations attacked Israel in 1948 is ancient history, the fact that Israel
had decided to be remain pigs and thieves 62 years later, is the current issue.
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oh sure lets forget about the past!


that really worked out well for the jews during the holocaust didnt it?


the fact stands.

israel was attacked by arabs before its creation, creating the Haganah and Irgun, etc.

these groups were responsible for saving israel during the independence war.


israel has been acting to protect its citzens since.


its citizens are more important than any other people to Israel.


so either let the slum suicide bomb its people or protect your people.

one side will lose. its the weaker one.
 
FGD says, "one side will lose. its the weaker one."

On one hand we can say, right now, on the military question, Israel is the stronger side.

But we still have to ask, the longer term question? The Surrounding Arab States have Israel outnumbered by 50 to one, the Arab States have oil money and Israel has little, and when Uncle Sucker is being told fuck you by Israel, its damn hard for Israel to image
that they will stay the stronger side.
 
Lemon law said:
FGD says, "one side will lose. its the weaker one."

On one hand we can say, right now, on the military question, Israel is the stronger side.

But we still have to ask, the longer term question? The Surrounding Arab States have Israel outnumbered by 50 to one, the Arab States have oil money and Israel has little, and when Uncle Sucker is being told fuck you by Israel, its damn hard for Israel to image
that they will stay the stronger side.
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Its a good thing Israel has nukes then.
 
Freshgeardude said:
oh sure lets forget about the past!


that really worked out well for the jews during the holocaust didnt it?


the fact stands.

israel was attacked by arabs before its creation, creating the Haganah and Irgun, etc.

these groups were responsible for saving israel during the independence war.


israel has been acting to protect its citzens since.


its citizens are more important than any other people to Israel.


so either let the slum suicide bomb its people or protect your people.

one side will lose. its the weaker one.
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Gee wiz I wonder why.

Maybe, because Israel was created on top of more than 524 Palestinian villages? Villages depopulated through murder and terror? Maybe?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus
 
TareX said:
Gee wiz I wonder why.

Maybe, because Israel was created on top of more than 524 Palestinian villages? Villages depopulated through murder and terror? Maybe?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus
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Had the Arabs won their extermination battle; there would be no complaints from the Palestinians about those villiages. They would still exists and there would be no Israel.

Shame in what happens when one choses the wrong side.

Shame in that the Egyptians and Arabs locked up Palestinians in camps to prevent them from intermingling with the rest of the Arab world. Such solidarity of brotherhood; after all that was promised to them.
 
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