CADsortaGUY
Lifer
"Murdered"? 75% destroyed? got verification or just propaganda...."bbond"
CsG
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US Uses Napalm in Fallujah!
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"Murdered"? 75% destroyed? got verification or just propaganda...."bbond"
CsG
Furthermore,
Used DU rounds in themselves are not a serious threat if not eaten, or handled improperly. The problem with many people is their curiosity. Children in general are curious about the destroyed tanks, an climb in and around them, thus contaminating themselves. DU ordinance and vehicles destroyed by DU fire should be treated the same way that you would treat something contaminated with lead. Gloves, masks and thorough washing after contact.
As far as WMD. Precision guided ordinance with a localized area of contact are NOT WMD. WMD must be indiscriminate by nature. Chemicals that may or may not affect the intended target certainly qualify. Bombs that have a small area of effect, and have a very high probability of affecting the target do not qualify. Thermobaric weapons are legal throughout the world.
Used DU rounds in themselves are not a serious threat if not eaten, or handled improperly. The problem with many people is their curiosity. Children in general are curious about the destroyed tanks, an climb in and around them, thus contaminating themselves. DU ordinance and vehicles destroyed by DU fire should be treated the same way that you would treat something contaminated with lead. Gloves, masks and thorough washing after contact.
As far as WMD. Precision guided ordinance with a localized area of contact are NOT WMD. WMD must be indiscriminate by nature. Chemicals that may or may not affect the intended target certainly qualify. Bombs that have a small area of effect, and have a very high probability of affecting the target do not qualify. Thermobaric weapons are legal throughout the world.
dphantom
Diamond Member
There is nothing wrong with using military weapons against military targets. Fuel-Air or Mark 77 firebombs aer legal weapons. If using such legal weapons saves US casulaties, then I am for it.
We still use mines in Korea even though much of the world has outlawed their use. Unfortunatley, most bad guys generally ignore the rules. It's nice the US understands that and plays "hard ball" with them.
We still use mines in Korea even though much of the world has outlawed their use. Unfortunatley, most bad guys generally ignore the rules. It's nice the US understands that and plays "hard ball" with them.
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
Using napalm on CIVILIAN targets is ok?.... bloodthirsty bastards.
dphantom
Diamond Member
Nothing was said about using weapons on civilians. Military weapons applied against military targets is legal under all International law. Civilian casualties are a terrible byproduct of war. The US does not intentionally target civilians. But when fighting in built-up areas, civilian casualties are highly likely.
To the US's credit, they take great pains to evacuate as much of the Fallujah population as could get out before starting their assualt. Much unlike the Iraqi terrorists who take great pride in killing dozens or hundreds of Iraqi civilians in their car bombings.
NumbersGuy
Senior member
I'll comment on points made by many, please excuse the lack of quotes:
1. The fuel-air bomb should be used against other armies, not civilians, it's a different standard of civilization. BTW Saddan was working on those, also called "the poor countries nuke"
2. When people claim the high ground they shouldn't then measure their actions against other's atrocities.
3. The Brits bombed German civilians first. The German attacks on London, compared to the Brits' on most German cities were like an ATer vs Tyson for a full ten rounds.
4. The Brits, with their sissy bombers, concentrated on nightly terror bombing of civilians (they figured one dead or injured would take up to fifteen from the war effort)
a. The US 8th Air Force did the heavy lifting, bombing military/industrial/transport targets during the day while avoiding civilians as much as possible. After the Battle of Britain ('41?) German bombing was neutralized at least.
5. Dresden was an "open" city (i.e. no military or industrial inportance, say like Hiroshoma & Nagasaki), it was attacked at war's end to perfect the procedures of creating firestorms.
6. These terrorists are fighting an invader in whicever way they can, as would any American if, say Martians, were to take over here and start kicking everybody's butt's around.
7. The Falludja operation ranks with the those at Berlin, Stalingrad, Grozny Warsaw etc., as house by house combat destroying everything as needed. Still impressive to see tanks firing into buildings.
8. Lots mote that 1000 civilians were killed in Falluda. See, 300,000 people, 2/3 evacuated in time, 100,000 left, 75% of city destroyed... wag: 20,000 civilians dead, min.
9. These "insurgents" are fighting an invader whichever way they can, as would any American if, say Martians, were to take over here and start kicking everybody's butt's around while imposing their system.
a. Are these people blowing up civilians and Iraqui cops animals? True.
10. A quick review of the Philippines (1898) war would be a nice eye opener for most. Hint, the anti-Spanish insurgents turned against the US immediately.
11. If oil were not involved, Saddam would still be dropping the poison gases we taught him, playing with the anthrax we gave him, but torturing less than we are and killing less civilians. BTW, gas was first used in Iraq by... the Brits under St. Winston Churchill.
12. Was Saddam an sob that deserves anything he gets? Damn right. Have we created a fubar fhornet's nest? Damn right.
13. If Mr. Bush really wants to kick butt in some right places, go against slavery in Africa and Asia.
14. Missed this one: Uranium effects, like Agent Orange and Gulf war syndrome were checked out as fake by the Army.
At least $0.03! (firesuit on)
1. The fuel-air bomb should be used against other armies, not civilians, it's a different standard of civilization. BTW Saddan was working on those, also called "the poor countries nuke"
2. When people claim the high ground they shouldn't then measure their actions against other's atrocities.
3. The Brits bombed German civilians first. The German attacks on London, compared to the Brits' on most German cities were like an ATer vs Tyson for a full ten rounds.
4. The Brits, with their sissy bombers, concentrated on nightly terror bombing of civilians (they figured one dead or injured would take up to fifteen from the war effort)
a. The US 8th Air Force did the heavy lifting, bombing military/industrial/transport targets during the day while avoiding civilians as much as possible. After the Battle of Britain ('41?) German bombing was neutralized at least.
5. Dresden was an "open" city (i.e. no military or industrial inportance, say like Hiroshoma & Nagasaki), it was attacked at war's end to perfect the procedures of creating firestorms.
6. These terrorists are fighting an invader in whicever way they can, as would any American if, say Martians, were to take over here and start kicking everybody's butt's around.
7. The Falludja operation ranks with the those at Berlin, Stalingrad, Grozny Warsaw etc., as house by house combat destroying everything as needed. Still impressive to see tanks firing into buildings.
8. Lots mote that 1000 civilians were killed in Falluda. See, 300,000 people, 2/3 evacuated in time, 100,000 left, 75% of city destroyed... wag: 20,000 civilians dead, min.
9. These "insurgents" are fighting an invader whichever way they can, as would any American if, say Martians, were to take over here and start kicking everybody's butt's around while imposing their system.
a. Are these people blowing up civilians and Iraqui cops animals? True.
10. A quick review of the Philippines (1898) war would be a nice eye opener for most. Hint, the anti-Spanish insurgents turned against the US immediately.
11. If oil were not involved, Saddam would still be dropping the poison gases we taught him, playing with the anthrax we gave him, but torturing less than we are and killing less civilians. BTW, gas was first used in Iraq by... the Brits under St. Winston Churchill.
12. Was Saddam an sob that deserves anything he gets? Damn right. Have we created a fubar fhornet's nest? Damn right.
13. If Mr. Bush really wants to kick butt in some right places, go against slavery in Africa and Asia.
14. Missed this one: Uranium effects, like Agent Orange and Gulf war syndrome were checked out as fake by the Army.
At least $0.03! (firesuit on)
Perhaps sitting in a dark room all by yourself has dimmed your capacity to read and understand what is being said here...... Napalm is not being used. Thermobaric weapons ARE. They are NOT illegal by any treaty that I know of. They are also used by other militaries, Russia being the most notable of them.
Napalm is crude, and largely unused. It is also NOT related to the newer BLU-118/B style weapon except by similar name (BLU-118). Napalm is not a Thermobaric weapon. The only similarity is that they both use heat.
As far as the analogy, it's about as relevant as naming the wrong weapon, then not understanding the difference between two totally different weapons systems, then arguing about them without know anything about them.
Get a grip and READ about things outside of hack liberal media sites.
Proletariat
Diamond Member
So if Agent Orange and the Gulf War Syndrome are "fake" according to the army. Than how do you explain cases like this in Vietnam:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/wfsf/high/2005/03.03/images/high1264735.jpg
Such horrific things were never recorded in pre-War Vietnam but now they are very common.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/wfsf/high/2005/03.03/images/high1264735.jpg
Such horrific things were never recorded in pre-War Vietnam but now they are very common.
you missed his point, it is common knowledge what agent orange did and the truth about gulf war syndrome is slowly coming to light, yet the army said both were "fake", so when the army says Uranium effects is "fake" then its hard to belive them. Expecialy since they have every motive to say what they say regardless of the truth of the matter, at the time of both agent orange and gulf war syndrome for the army to say the truth would be disasterous, same with uranium effects.
IIRC (and I do), the great pains the U.S. took to evacuate Falluja consisted of telling everyone to get out -- except "military age" males who were turned back at check points and forced to stay in the city.
Everyone left in the city, the men who were forced back and anyone who was too poor to leave were then declared "insurgents" and their extermination began.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
"bbond"???
CsG
Source? No hack webites please.
Every post like this strains what very little credibility that you have. You are accusing the military of systematic extermination of all adult males. Of course you will not provide a credible source for the information, as there is none. You are killing yourself with the BS.
We get it. You are against everything except your own views. That's OK by me. Just use facts when available, and state that you are using your opinion or perceptions when not using credible facts. There may be one or two persons left that can't spot BS as well as some in these forums, and they might accidentally believe your drivel.
City of ghosts
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1387460,00.html
One part of particular note as it was mentioned by Hersh in his speech here last Thurs. night:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1387460,00.html
One part of particular note as it was mentioned by Hersh in his speech here last Thurs. night:
Onjur,
I am shocked!
Drivel again......
Listen,
It is against U.S. policy for non-combatants to enter into a secure zone. It is also good security practice to prohibit cell phone and telephone use beofre and during a combat operation. They did not cut regular phone lines though? Strange indeed...doesn't lend credence to the whole fabrication.
I would like to see a source for the claim of illegal detention of non-combatant emergency personnel...oh wait!!!! There is none.......drivel again.
Once again someone quotes a civilian with no access with ANY govt. authorities, and none in the U.S. chain of command either. Oddly enough, the contact with the insurgents is clear enough.
You are quoting a supporter of the insurgents as your source.
I am shocked!
Drivel again......
Listen,
It is against U.S. policy for non-combatants to enter into a secure zone. It is also good security practice to prohibit cell phone and telephone use beofre and during a combat operation. They did not cut regular phone lines though? Strange indeed...doesn't lend credence to the whole fabrication.
I would like to see a source for the claim of illegal detention of non-combatant emergency personnel...oh wait!!!! There is none.......drivel again.
Once again someone quotes a civilian with no access with ANY govt. authorities, and none in the U.S. chain of command either. Oddly enough, the contact with the insurgents is clear enough.
You are quoting a supporter of the insurgents as your source.
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