US trying to "promote" democracy in South America

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
wow, you people have your head so far up the administrations and foxnews's ass their sh1t has totally blinded you. and whats new?

LOL - says the poster who continually repeats the same "You all worshop O'LIEly and FAUX news!!" as his first line of defense for any argument. Perhaps if you avoided speaking in tired cliches so often..

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: filterxg
Its not oil its Chavez. He's a destablizing force, provides santuary and arms to revolutions across the region, especially Columbia. Plus he is a large part of why Castro is still in power (free oil).

I agree, Chavez is just as great, if not greater, a threat as Saddam was. Plus wasn't there an article a few months ago about how he bought thousands of weapons and WMDs from the Russians? Chavez must be disarmed, either by economic sanctions, or by military force.

What is he doing to us?
and he bought WMD from russia?
President Hugo Chavez waiting for USA to announce that Venezuela has WMD

I beleive robertcloud to merely be a troll who has no intention of debating here. Best to ignore him, by my reckoning..

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
wow, you people have your head so far up the administrations and foxnews's ass their sh1t has totally blinded you. and whats new?

No matter what side of the debate you are on, statements like that take away every ounce of credibility you have. Period.

That goes for everyone hurling personal attacks.

 

[piasabird]

The biggest problem in Mexico and South America is corruption. When everything gets done by bribery it is hard to accomplish anything.

 

[sandorski]

The problem with Venezuala isn't the lack of Democracy, it is Oil and the threat to the supply of that Oil to the US. Chavez is mucking around with Free Enterprise to be sure, but he is doing it as the Demacratically Elected President of Venezuala. This is a test of the definiton of Democracy. Is it People selecting the form of Economic System they live under? Or is it the Free Enterprise System as well. IMO, Democracy is People selecting their Government in Free and Fair Elections and not by default acceptance of an Economic System determined by some foreign Peoples.

This goes down to the age old question concerning American Citizens: Do Americans(US Citizens) have the Right to determine their Economic System? Can the American People choose Socialism(or any other system that is not Free Enterprise/Capitalist) over their current system? I say Yes they do, but many don't think so.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: robertcloud

Originally posted by: filterxg
Its not oil its Chavez. He's a destablizing force, provides santuary and arms to revolutions across the region, especially Columbia. Plus he is a large part of why Castro is still in power (free oil).

I agree, Chavez is just as great, if not greater, a threat as Saddam was. Plus wasn't there an article a few months ago about how he bought thousands of weapons and WMDs from the Russians? Chavez must be disarmed, either by economic sanctions, or by military force.

What is he doing to us?
and he bought WMD from russia?
President Hugo Chavez waiting for USA to announce that Venezuela has WMD

I beleive robertcloud to merely be a troll who has no intention of debating here. Best to ignore him, by my reckoning..

*Clap* *Clap* *Clap*

:thumbsup:

 

[robertcloud]

Debate? Chavez is a destabilizing force in the region. Communism is like a flood. Once the damn is breached, the whole region may be compromised. The only thing to debate is the way we are going to deal with this threat.

 

[Steeplerot]

t3h evil comm1es are taking ovah! ohhh noes!
godless commies, coming to spread their impuritys!

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: robertcloud
Debate? Chavez is a destabilizing force in the region. Communism is like a flood. Once the damn is breached, the whole region may be compromised. The only thing to debate is the way we are going to deal with this threat.

Engineer points you to the local army recruiting station. Jump in heads first since you're so damn gung ho to go to military conflicts.

 

[K1052]

A lot of this is misdirection IMO. Chavez does not have the support of the middle class ands business elite of the country because he is looting the national oil company to pay for his enormously expensive social programs that motivated the nation?s poor to propel him into power. Many see his actions as short sighted and dangerous to the national oil company as it no longer has the resources to properly invest in development and equipment.

It is not just some Americans making trouble for Chavez, he has some serious internal political problems that he hasn?t been able to resolve.

 

[imported_Pedro69]

Originally posted by: K1052
A lot of this is misdirection IMO. Chavez does not have the support of the middle class ands business elite of the country because he is looting the national oil company to pay for his enormously expensive social programs that motivated the nation?s poor to propel him into power. Many see his actions as short sighted and dangerous to the national oil company as it no longer has the resources to properly invest in development and equipment.

It is not just some Americans making trouble for Chavez, he has some serious internal political problems that he hasn?t been able to resolve.

Still these are internal problems and not the business of the US.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
t3h evil comm1es are taking ovah! ohhh noes!
godless commies, coming to spread their impuritys!

Incredible! I had seen those comics in an exposition in NY... but never actually had a possibility to read them... Unbeliaveble what was going on in the US during the cold war...