US Taxpayers to pay $27,000,000 to change street signs in NY........

[HumblePie]

Also as stipulated earlier, the mandate is federal, but the payment comes from the states. Anus makes it sound like all US tax payers are paying for road sign changes in NY. Fail.

 

[routan]

is this part of the Stimulus Package?

 

[HumblePie]

no

 

[Capt Caveman]

Another false accusation troll thread. Lock please.

Sad that people can't read and comprehend the articles that they post about.

 

[Pens1566]

I'll predict that Patrollus won't be back in here and he's already off looking for his next tidbit to feign outrage over.

 

[Nemesis 1]

First and formost . The city or state pays for those signs not Fed government . NYS had no problem with giving amd a billion dollar handout to build a fab . Find out what the city pays the man that reads your meters talk about overpaid.

 

[bruceb]

I like it the way it is. Large letters are easier to see at speed or in bad weather.

 

[JSt0rm]

I like how the thread backfired on anus.

They all backfire on him. Neocons are fucking retarded. Gee they are gonna replace the signs the same as they always do but now they will have lowercase. omgbbqwtf rage my moniessss!!@@!W

 

[ElFenix]

Also as stipulated earlier, the mandate is federal, but the payment comes from the states. Anus makes it sound like all US tax payers are paying for road sign changes in NY. Fail.

i wonder about that. the feds don't have jurisdiction over regular roadways. so for regular streets the feds would normally have no ability to control signage. so the mandate would need to be something like 'do this or not get money.' which would mean fed money is involved somewhere. though, as long as it's just being replaced on the normal schedule this isn't any different than a lot of other fed roadway spending.

 

[mpo]

The font issue is small potatoes. What is driving the replacement of signs is the change in federal retroreflectivity requirements.

Starting in January 2012, all jurisdictions have to have a plan in place to make sure all of their regulatory signs (stops, speed limits, yields, etc.) meet the requirements. By January 2015, the plan has to be in place for other types of signs (street flags, parking). Some signs are exempt from the requirements.

I am working with several agencies to make sure they meet the minimum requirements. One is a large city with roughly a quarter million signs in their inventory. The smallest is a small city with 10,000 signs.

There are several ways communities can meet the requirements--a) direct measure of the signs with a reflectometer (a pain); b) setting out a reference sign for each sign type, when the reference sign wears out, all the examples have to be replaced; c) having a trained spotter over 60 years old go out in an SUV or pickup and observe signs. There are a number of other ways that communities can meet the requirements.

In my experience, those communities that have been planning for the new rules will do okay. Sign life is ~10 to 15 years. But the standard deviation is huge. South-facing signs wear out faster than others; stop signs in some locations are lucky to last two years. Those that have not planned ahead are in for a surprise.

Why are there new rules? The driving population is aging. The current sign regulations are basically set for a driver that is 20 to 25 years old with good visual acuity. The new regs will (hopefully) make it easier for all drivers to see and act on the signs within the right-of-way.

 

[Throckmorton]

The reflectivity requirement is a really good thing. I hate when old signs are unreadable and I'm putting myself and other drivers at risk by staring at the sign and trying to read it.

Here at Maui County we're looking at using vehicle based LIDAR data to get reflectivity values. Apparently the company has done it for other municipalities.

http://www.mandli.com/

 

[Modelworks]

If the old sign is still readable then leave it up. I don't care if it is 30 years old, mixed case and hanging by one screw. There are a lot of other things that need money other than street signs.

That is like how a local city here spent millions on repaving sidewalks downtown. Over 80% of the buildings downtown are vacant and nobody wants to go there to run a business because it is all on the other side of town. Yet two months after spending millions for that, they complain they are short a few million for schools .

 

[bruceb]

Fixing for reflectivity / readability is a good idea. But here in NJ in a lot of towns / cities and local roads, you are lucky to find any sign to tell you what road you are on or coming up to. Same goes for house numbers. Sometimes, easily findable, others, well hidden or non existant. They should be on the mailbox, but they are not very often. In some towns, street signs are part of vertical poles on the roads.

 

[hal2kilo]

There is always time for a windbag circle-jerk.

Especially with the Pat-ur-anus and Pblabber tag team.

 

[piasabird]

The older you get the harder the street signs get to read. That is why they like the larger letters. It is obvious that this law was not written by someone over 50.

 

[Hacp]

26 million? For signs? Outrageous. The old signs were perfectly fine. How much of the 27 million was spent on union workers? GAAHHHHHHHHHH!

 

[Hacp]

The older you get the harder the street signs get to read. That is why they like the larger letters. It is obvious that this law was not written by someone over 50.

Fuck, old people ruining America, again!

 

[hal2kilo]

Fuck, old people ruining America, again!

I see your parents woke you up for breakfast.

 

[GroundedSailor]

First and formost . The city or state pays for those signs not Fed government . NYS had no problem with giving amd a billion dollar handout to build a fab . Find out what the city pays the man that reads your meters talk about overpaid.

While you are doing that, find out what he makes for the city in collection of parking fines and then compare that to what they pay him.


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[KK]

Take all the signs down. If you don't know where you're going then you shouldnt be going there.

 

[dawp]

I see your parents woke you up for breakfast.

Psssst, hacp is a blithering idiot.

 

[hal2kilo]

Psssst, hacp is a blithering idiot.

I know. I should ignore his childish anti union, anti baby boomer, old people rants, but I have my fun with him.

 

[Deeko]

The all caps sign is much easier to read. Going to lower case is likely to cause more auto accidents as people slow down unexpectedly to try to figure out where they are.

Obamacare + Dangerous Road Signs = Coincidence?

Nobody can possibly think this, no matter how much of a nut you are. Not that it isn't obvious to the rest of AT already, but you are set out to prove to us that you're just trolling for attention.

 

[dawp]

I know. I should ignore his childish anti union, anti baby boomer, old people rants, but I have my fun with him.

hacp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68GeL8PafE