US supplied bomb killed 40 kids on Yemen school bus

[HomerJS]

In case anyone might assume it was just an accident this was a laser-guided version of a Mk-82 bomb called a GBU-12 Paveway II. This a precision guided weapon.

The Obama administration sold the Saudis a total of 115B in weapons. When a funeral hall was bombed killing 155 people Obama halted the sale of laser guided munitions. Well here comes Trump with an agenda "let's reverse everything Obama" and he reinstated the laser guided bomb sales.

I saw a clip of this bomb in action and I find it hard to believe this was an accident. More information to come.

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/msn/u...ed-40-children-on-yemen-school-bus/ar-BBM8e86

 

[vi edit]

Very few things bring me to tears, but the coverage on this with kids just sitting in the middle of the road in literal shell shock really disturbed me. If another country had done this to us we'd be demanding war and blood overnight.

 

[dainthomas]

Our Saudi "allies" won't even acknowledge that lobbing missiles at school buses full of kids is wrong. Apparently based on the premise that the "terrorists" used kids as shields at some point.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

This number is tiny compared to the numbers likked by other weapons introduced by superpowers and then sold or licensed by others for sale to parties doing the killing. As an American, my conscious is clear.

 

[Jaskalas]

Very few things bring me to tears, but the coverage on this with kids just sitting in the middle of the road in literal shell shock really disturbed me. If another country had done this to us we'd be demanding war and blood overnight.

The death and destruction in Yemen from the Saudis has been pretty horrific all around.

 

[pauldun170]

The US trained Saudi's probably using US supplied F-15's to drop US made bombs in Yemen which is going through a civil war.
Saudi has been working to suppress the tribes in the Sa'ad region for decades. We've been giving them a thumbs up in Yemen going back to when the CIA supported the Saudi destabilization campaign in the early 70's, to Carter sending 380million in equipment to Reagan's sending Bush to go play footsy with South Yemeni exiles (cuz Soviets)

Now, its a shit show because Saudi's want to make sure the guys on the other side of the border read their version of old arab folk tales. That and they are not members of a group that ruled that area for centuries.

In 1979, they donated tens of millions of dollars to the Yemen Arab Republic, which was engaged in fierce border clashes with its pro-Soviet neighbor to the south, the People’s Democratic Republic of Yemen. (The Saudis have been sending arms and money to the North Yemeni government and/or opposition forces since 1962.)
https://www.merip.org/mer/mer155/saudi-arabia-reagan-doctrine

Yemen is one of the oldest nations on earth, blessed with a rich history and distinctive culture. The biblical Queen of Sheba ruled over this land, known to the Romans as "Arabia Felix" ("Happy Arabia") because of its relative prosperity. Islam came to Yemen during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad. While most southerners are Sunnis of the Shafi'ilegal school, many in the northern mountains are Zaydis, or "fiver" Shi'i. The line of Zaydi imams, who first came to power in 893, ruled northern Yemen for over a millenium.

In the 1950s, Imam Ahmad began to open his formerly isolated country to the outside world, going so far as to join the United Arab Republic union of Egypt and Syria in 1958. The Egypt-Syria-Yemen union collapsed in 1961. The following year Imam Ahmad was deposed and civil war broke out in North Yemen between royalists backed by Saudi Arabia and republicans supported by Gamal Abdul Nasser of Egypt. The dueling Yemeni factions fought on even after their foreign patrons had tired of the war. The republicans finally claimed victory in 1970, and established the Yemen Arab Republic (YAR). The next decade saw a series of authoritarian regimes in power in the capital of San'a, each replaced by another through coup or assassination.

South Yemen had become a British Crown Colony in the early part of the 19th century, and from 1839 the capital of Aden was an important cooling port for British ships plying the route between England and India. An armed uprising starting in the late 1950s persuaded the British to strike their colors and go home in 1967. Marxists assumed control of South Yemen, eventually establishing there the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen (PDRY).

Although Soviet assistance propped up the weak economy, politics in the south proved to be as deadly and conspiratorial as in the north. The most spectacular change of regime occurred in 1986, when President Ali Nasser Mohammed invited hardliners in his Politburo to a meeting and had them executed by his personal guards. This touched off a civil war which resulted in Mohammed's flight to the north and 10,000 South Yemeni dead.

Bilateral relations between San'a and Aden were marked by long periods of hostility interrupted by brief reconciliations and attempts at unification. When Yemeni officials north and south weren't discussing their plans for union they generally were plotting to destabilize each other. Open war flared in October 1972. In 1978, a PDRY peace envoy assassinated northern President Ahmed ibn Hussein Al-Ghashmi with a bomb hidden in his briefcase.

In the spring of 1988, however, serious moves toward reconciliation and unification began. They were spurred by worsening economic conditions in the PDRY, as its Soviet benefactors suffered domestic collapse, cutting foreign assistance to their South Yemeni clients. In December 1989 North Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh, an army officer who had come to power after Al-Ghashmi's 1978 assassination, and South Yemeni President Ali Salim Al-Beidh, who took over in the wake of Aden's 1986 civil war, signed a draft constitution and agreed to a one-year timetable for unification.

Approval for the union was overwhelming in the PDRY, but the northern Muslim Brotherhood objected to a constitutional clause making Islamic law "a principal source of legislation" rather than the sole source. Eventually the YAR's parliament approved the constitution and on May 22, 1990, north and south merged to form the Republic of Yemen.

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https://www.wrmea.org/1994-july-august/north-and-south-yemen-lead-up-to-the-break-up.html

Named after their fallen leader, the al-Houthi movement walks a fine line between the
economic, political, and sectarian divides that sever the Yemeni social landscape. Based out of
Sa’dah, the Houthi movement is made up of Shia Muslims of the Zaydism sect – a minority in
Yemen and a rival to Sunni-based, Salafi denomination. A political awakening began among key
families in the Zaydism tradition when, starting in 1980, Salafi religious institutes implanted
themselves inside Zaydic-Shia Muslim communities with government support. Due to the clear
religious and political motivation, northern Shia Muslims began to mobilize against what they
perceived to be religious marginalization and cultural war. Starting in 2004, analysis have broken
the contemporary history of Yemenis conflict into six parts leading up to the Arab Spring in
2011.
The initial military struggle between the Zaydis and the central
government was ignited by youth who disrupted a mosque
shouting anti-government, anti-American, and anti-Israeli
slogans. The disruption spread from the city of Saada to
Sana’a and the government detained several hundred
protestors to contain the incident. Hussein al-Houthi led a
military uprising, calling the detainment unjust. The conflict
escalated, taking over 1,000 civilian lives, and ended in
September 2004 after Hussein was killed

http://www3.canisius.edu/~diciccoj/MUN_2015_CSC_Yemen.pdf

 

[Genx87]

In case anyone might assume it was just an accident this was a laser-guided version of a Mk-82 bomb called a GBU-12 Paveway II. This a precision guided weapon.

The Obama administration sold the Saudis a total of 115B in weapons. When a funeral hall was bombed killing 155 people Obama halted the sale of laser guided munitions. Well here comes Trump with an agenda "let's reverse everything Obama" and he reinstated the laser guided bomb sales.

I saw a clip of this bomb in action and I find it hard to believe this was an accident. More information to come.

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/msn/u...ed-40-children-on-yemen-school-bus/ar-BBM8e86

This is something we as nation needs to address. We are the largest weapons dealer in the world. And when these weapons are sold they are used. Often times on non-combatants. Hell our own military has basically admitted in the past of 100 people killed by our bombs only 5 on average are targets.

 

[pauldun170]

This is something we as nation needs to address. We are the largest weapons dealer in the world. And when these weapons are sold they are used. Often times on non-combatants. Hell our own military has basically admitted in the past of 100 people killed by our bombs only 5 on average are targets.

How do you propose addressing our role as the world's leading arm dealer?
Would you be more comfortable if the Saudi used British supplied Typhoons or Tornados to use Swedish\German supplied munitions?
Maybe just let the Russians and Chinese take it over the market?

Someone going to get bombed no matter what.

 

[Genx87]

How do you propose addressing our role as the world's leading arm dealer?
Would you be more comfortable if the Saudi used British supplied Typhoons or Tornados to use Swedish\German supplied munitions?
Maybe just let the Russians and Chinese take it over the market?

Someone going to get bombed no matter what.

So why not profit from it then? What a morally bankrupt stance.

Yes, I would prefer other nations sell to these despot regimes. If they want to have blood on their hands, that is their business.

 

[mikeymikec]

How do you propose addressing our role as the world's leading arm dealer?
Would you be more comfortable if the Saudi used British supplied Typhoons or Tornados to use Swedish\German supplied munitions?
Maybe just let the Russians and Chinese take it over the market?

Someone going to get bombed no matter what.

Why bother doing anything from a morally-assisted stance when it's just good business not to? If you can't be the most morally bankrupt person then someone else will be!

Why did we ever shut down the slave trade? It was the epitome of "just good business!".

 

[sandorski]

Lockheed Martin, when you positively absolutely need to frag a School Bus.

 

[HomerJS]

How do you propose addressing our role as the world's leading arm dealer?
Would you be more comfortable if the Saudi used British supplied Typhoons or Tornados to use Swedish\German supplied munitions?
Maybe just let the Russians and Chinese take it over the market?

Someone going to get bombed no matter what.

Obama had addressed it and stopped the sale of these types of weapons to the Saudis. However we all know Trump, "I have to reverse everything done by the Negro". After the funeral bombing we could have worked with our Allies and curtail sales from them. Of course we have no Allies to work with now.

 

[pauldun170]

So why not profit from it then? What a morally bankrupt stance.

Yes, I would prefer other nations sell to these despot regimes. If they want to have blood on their hands, that is their business.

You are avoiding the question or you are not really thinking about what I'm asking.
How do you propose addressing our role as the world's leading arm dealer?

 

[pauldun170]

We've been egging the Saudi's on in Yemen for 40 years. Instead of helping create an environment where Saudi's need to stockpile arms to begin bombing campaign against another countries citizens (simply because those citizens called Saudi religious missionaries a bunch of dicks).
Perhaps it would have be the better approach to help stabilize Yemen by enticing the Yemeni government to to come to the table with families in Sa'ad to hear their concerns and address them? Pressuring the Saudi's to stop interfering in Yemeni politics?

To do so would also require us to grow a pair and be adults about dealing with Iran. US policy is directly responsible is creating Iran and our efforts to destabilize that country has been a failed exercise in laziness and stupidity. Saudi bombing the crap out of the Houthi's is part of a campaign to suppress groups that interpret old arab folk tales the same way as Iranians do.

Instead of focusing on the tools. Focus on eliminating demand.
The United States has been responsible for creating demand for boom sticks in the middle east.

 

[pauldun170]

Saudi's aren't done bombing kids
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/24/middleeast/yemen-airstrike-kills-children-intl/index.html

 

[bshole]

Obama had addressed it and stopped the sale of these types of weapons to the Saudis. However we all know Trump, "I have to reverse everything done by the Negro". After the funeral bombing we could have worked with our Allies and curtail sales from them. Of course we have no Allies to work with now.

Oh please. That is kind of ridiculous. This has nothing to do with elected politicians and we all know that now. Here is a video of General Wesley Clark discussing the deep state and its conversations right after 911. At that time, they identified 7 states for toppling:
Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon

Bush took care of Iraq. Obama took care of Libya and started Syria/Somalia while meddling in the Sudan.

Trump has escalated in Somalia, has not exited Syria and is poised to start in on Iran. As a side point, Assad is going to die even if America has to go to war with Russia to do it. You can bank on that. Trump might not do it but the person replacing him certainly will. With regards to wars in the Middle East, who you vote for is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Basically the only country America has not fucked with from a list published more than decade ago is Lebanon.

I weep for an American left that once protested vigorously under the banner of "no blood for oil". That left no longer exists, it has been replaced with warmongers. They apparently want all these wars but have absolutely no idea why (other than America has the power to do it and CNN/WAPO etc... say we should).

The fact that three serious antiwar content providers from antiwar.com were suspended from twitter with nary a peep from the MS media tells you where we have arrived as a society. If it weren't for youtube activists, this event would not have even be widely known. Tech billionaire censorship of non-interventionist political viewpoints apparently has reached the status of non-news in the MSM. Advocating for peace is hate speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/n...Resulting-in-Violent-Chaos-20150221-0010.html

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...calation-in-somalia-is-spurring-hope-and-fear