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"US Sports Cars Beaten in Test" - CR

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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- In testing the most expensive group of cars the magazine has ever purchased, Consumer Reports rated the Porsche 911 as the top high-performance sports car.

The 911 was tested against the Chevrolet Corvette Z06, the Dodge Viper and 11 other performance vehicles in a competitive test of luxury sports cars.
The prices of the cars ranged from $45,545 for a Lotus Elise to $105,855 for a Mercedes-Benz SL550.

Consumer Reports, published by the non-profit Consumer's Union, purchases all the vehicles it tests for the magazine. The vehicles are bought anonymously from retail auto dealers.


Cars are tested on public roads as well as at the magazine's test track facility in Connecticut. Cars are put through a variety of tests, including high-speed maneuvering, braking and cornering.

The scoring system used for these cars was different from that generally used by the magazine for minivans and sedans, said David Champion, senior director of Consumer Reports' Auto Test Center.

While the scoring was still heavily weighted toward safety, including emergency handling, factors like acceleration were given more importance than, for instance, trunk space, Champion said.

Comfort, convenience and day-to-day drivability were still factors in the rankings, though.

Performance battle

"The 911 wowed us enough with its acceleration, handling, and braking for us to rate it our top sports car," said Champion. "The 911 is also easy to drive, but its much less expensive Boxster sibling performed almost as well."

The 911 cost about $87,500 as tested. The Corvette Z06's price was about $77,000.
The Corvette impressed the magazine's test drivers with its powerful acceleration and stable feel. The magazine called its handling "less precise" than the 911's, though.
The magazine called the Corvette Z06's predicted reliability "Poor," which prevented them from actually recommending the car in spite of high scores for performance and comfort.

The V-10-powered Viper ranked as the fastest car ever tested by the magazine with a 0-60 time of 4.2 seconds. But it was only a tenth-of-a-second quicker than the Corvette Z06 and beat the 6-cylinder 911 by just two-tenths.

In other performance measures, it was no better than those cars, according to the magazine, in spite of a price that was $15,000 higher than the second-ranked Corvette Z06.

Ultimately, the Viper ranked second-to-last out of the 14 in the magazine's point system.
The Viper was rated as "Poor" in most "Comfort and Convenience" areas including "Ride," "Noise," and "Front seat comfort."
Still, Champion said, "I really liked the Viper."
The V-10-powered Viper has the kind of personality that's lacking from more coolly competent cars like the top-ranked Porsche 911.
"It's brutal," he said. "Everything about it is brutal."

Of the 14 cars tested, only three actually got a "Recommended" check mark from the magazine. To be recommended a car must have good crash test scores and good "Predicted Reliability" as calculated by the magazine from its own survey data.
The Nissan 350Z, BMW Z4 and Lexus SC430 were recommended. Those cars finished in the bottom half of the point rankings, however.

The magazine didn't have sufficient data to gauge reliability for seven of the 14 cars. Of the other seven, three had "Poor" reliability. Those were the Corvette Z06, the Corvette convertible and the Mercedes SL550.

The Mercedes SLK350 was rated as having "Fair" reliability.
Results of the test will appear in the magazine's October issue.
For more details on the seven highest-priced cars in the test and a look at the full rankings, see our gallery .

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A few things - scoring - they base it on safety. now if i'm not mistaken, driving a sports car the way it's meant to be driven isn't exactly the safest thing. "future reliability" - wtf? how about they take a look at some reviews (JD Power, for example) and at least base their opinions off of that.

Acceleration times - these guys clearly didn't even come close to the car's limits! The Viper 0-60 in 4.2??? Z06 did 0-60 in 4.3s? M&T did it in 3.5!(it was either M&T or C&D)

And the elise ranked last? i guess they did all highway driving or something 😕😕😕
 
Yeah that predicted reliability thing sounds pretty bogus. Does anyone have any insight as to how they gauge this particular metric? Do they survey the car owners? Vehicle records? Ehh in either case, Consumer Reports isn't where someone would look to buy a sports car. Now if I were looking for a family sedan... that's a different story.
 
Remember, we're talking Consumer Reports, not a car enthusiast magazine. The people doing this testing probably have never been to a dragstrip in their lives.
 
Originally posted by: Blazin Trav
Car and Driver pretty much agreed on that the 911 was way ahead of the Viper and Z06... so how is this innacurate?

im not debating the 911's win. overall, i have no doubt that it's the best combination of sport, comfort, and performance. i'm saying that their scoring is pretty crappy, and they sure as hell didn't take full advantage of ANY of those cars. that's what bothered me so much.
 
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: Blazin Trav
Car and Driver pretty much agreed on that the 911 was way ahead of the Viper and Z06... so how is this innacurate?

im not debating the 911's win. overall, i have no doubt that it's the best combination of sport, comfort, and performance. i'm saying that their scoring is pretty crappy, and they sure as hell didn't take full advantage of ANY of those cars. that's what bothered me so much.

I wonder what % of people who buy those cars will do a sub 4.2 in their Vipers? I assume you could do it no worries, with one hand behind your back and the other round your incredibly beautiful young blonde wife? 😉

It seems quite a leap to assume that because they didn't run the cars as hard as physically possible in a straight line, they didn't take full advantage of the cars handling in other areas, after all, there's quite a lot more to life than drag strips for most of us...
 
The full test (w/pictures) is in this months Consumer Reports.

There is some disturbing news about why certain cars are being tested. A somewhat unknown fact is that the staffers get to buy the cars at low prices. At least that was the case several years ago when I wanted to bid on one of their test cars.

I'm smelling ethics violations all over the place with this test🙂.

In any event, the actual testing criteria (especially the safety and lane change) is biased against any car that has lift off oversteer. And (as indicated above) CR is geared more towards the mainstream consumer than the enthusiast. Most of their staff however, are all quite accomplished engineers.

Also, long time subscribers will note their move towards more upmarket goods over the recent years. However, I wish they would test more mainstream vehicles that better reflect the overall purchase habits of their subscribers rather than this overpriced junk.
 
Originally posted by: Blazin Trav
Car and Driver pretty much agreed on that the 911 was way ahead of the Viper and Z06... so how is this innacurate?

A regular Carrera will get it's doors blown off a Z06 or Viper. These people can't drive, because from a stop, from a roll, whenever, a Z06 or Viper will leave a Carrera standing still.

The car that beats out the Z06 and Viper is the new 997 911 Turbo. It can match their acceleration while offering superior grip, more precise handling and better breaking. But it costs $125,000.
 
CR bought their cars anonymously. Although I haven't read MT or C&D in years, I seem to recall that they mostly get their cars straight from the manufacturer.

And how does CR = CNN?
 
yike, how does CR afford all those cars?


anyways, imo, it's sad to see MBZ SL550 beating a Lotus Elise by their standard.

but oh well, different strokes for different folks.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Blazin Trav
Car and Driver pretty much agreed on that the 911 was way ahead of the Viper and Z06... so how is this innacurate?

A regular Carrera will get it's doors blown off a Z06 or Viper. These people can't drive, because from a stop, from a roll, whenever, a Z06 or Viper will leave a Carrera standing still.

The car that beats out the Z06 and Viper is the new 997 911 Turbo. It can match their acceleration while offering superior grip, more precise handling and better breaking. But it costs $125,000.

I don't think the test was a straight up drag race, so your point is Moo.
 
Originally posted by: Connoisseur
Yeah that predicted reliability thing sounds pretty bogus. Does anyone have any insight as to how they gauge this particular metric? Do they survey the car owners? Vehicle records? Ehh in either case, Consumer Reports isn't where someone would look to buy a sports car. Now if I were looking for a family sedan... that's a different story.

Their reliability is either based off of people that subscribe to their magazine or their opinions nothing else. CR is one of the worst places to get info for buying a car. JD powers gets most of its info straight from owners, dealers, etc... There?s actually a scientific method to JD?s system, CR is just her say and very unscientific.

And its funny how they think the C6 corvette will be unreliable with it track record of being one of there most reliable true sports cars out there.
 
Originally posted by: tk149
CR bought their cars anonymously. Although I haven't read MT or C&D in years, I seem to recall that they mostly get their cars straight from the manufacturer.

And how does CR = CNN?

well, linked from cnn 😉
 
No mention of the Tesla Roadster 🙁

My fav sports car just because that company's trying to break away from the usual mindset.
 
CR is also the magazine that tested a V6 Camaro vs. a V8 Firebird, and chose the Camaro as the winner.

IMO, CR is not a good source of automotive information.
 
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
CR is also the magazine that tested a V6 Camaro vs. a V8 Firebird, and chose the Camaro as the winner.

IMO, CR is not a good source of automotive information.

bwhahahahaha. those guys are winnars.
 
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
CR is also the magazine that tested a V6 Camaro vs. a V8 Firebird, and chose the Camaro as the winner.

IMO, CR is not a good source of automotive information.

bwhahahahaha. those guys are winnars.

wow... that's just.... wow:Q

talk about maroons (morons)
 
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