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US Soldier spends 3rd Christmas as Taliban Prisoner

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ivwshane said:
Apparently the retarded right don't believe in "innocent until proven guilty".

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the right wing in this country are the most unamerican "patriots" I have ever seen. If I was a conspiracy theorist I'd say the right wing of this country was propaganda created by Russia. It's crazy talk I know but their level of propaganda has continued to rise to scary levels and it's hard to imagine anyone being so mentally defective to think of the things the right comes up with. I've never seen this level of irrationality.
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There is a very simple way to understand the rightwing in this country. Whatever Obama does has to be fought, no matter what. It doesn't matter what, they have to be against it. There is nothing else behind it.
 
How Obama needlessly bungled the case of Bowe Bergdahl
Susan Rice "But that is really not the point. The point is that he’s back. He is going to be safely reunited with his family. He served the United States with honor and distinction.”

...That came as news to the men who served with Bergdahl and had attempted to find him after he walked away from the base. Multiple members of his unit went public after the announcement, despite the nondisclosure agreements, to denounce Bergdahl as a deserter.

Had Obama and the White House followed protocol, engaged Congress on the swap, and stuck with the core principle of bringing back captured Americans no matter how they ended up in enemy hands, they would have avoided much of the controversy. Instead, they once again exhibited arrogance toward Congress and tried finessing the narrative in a way that could not possibly stand up to scrutiny. The administration ended up with egg on its face, looking both incompetent and dishonest...
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No problem with Bergdahl coming back.

No sympathy for any politician that spins a fellow that abandoned his unit as serving with "honor and distinction."

Uno
Sentry Dog Handler
US Army 69-71
 
rudder said:
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Did the Duck Dynasty guy communicate with the taliban?
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If he did it was a curt "Burn in hell, heathen."
 
rudder said:
Jessica Lynch was not a deserter. she was just an ill-trained, ill-equipped soldier put in a bad situation.

It is not speculation or rumor what Bowe Burgdahl did. This happened 5 years ago. Members of his unit had to sign non-disclosure agreements. Some of these guys are now out of the military and no longer bound by those agreements. If multiple people who served with him at the forward operating base said he deserted, I put more stock into that that P&N posters crying about the right trying to crucify the guy.

And I will ask you this... how many lives would you sacrifice to bring back someone who deserted their post during wartime?
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So we are leaving our American Justice to the Taliban now?? First off there are a lot of speculations and assumptions even by the men who were in his unit. The guy sounds like he may have suffered from a break down, and could have even had PTSD for all we know. But the fact remains, and you sir are still missing a very important point that we don't decide nor should anyone in this country who is worthy and who is not when it comes to our soldiers on rescuing or bringing home, solely based on our assumptions and opinions.

As I said before it is the right wing who is spinning this, because they don't have Benghazi anymore, so now they turn their attention to a soldier and his family and trying to paint him as some Taliban fighter. It is shameful the way this country has become and how we are treating our soldiers. Honest to god I don't think many of you are real American's the way you carry on, and just blindly believe all the right wing "nut job" spin.
 
Oldgamer said:
So we are leaving our American Justice to the Taliban now?? First off there are a lot of speculations and assumptions even by the men who were in his unit. The guy sounds like he may have suffered from a break down, and could have even had PTSD for all we know. But the fact remains, and you sir are still missing a very important point that we don't decide nor should anyone in this country who is worthy and who is not when it comes to our soldiers on rescuing or bringing home, solely based on our assumptions and opinions.

As I said before it is the right wing who is spinning this, because they don't have Benghazi anymore, so now they turn their attention to a soldier and his family and trying to paint him as some Taliban fighter. It is shameful the way this country has become and how we are treating our soldiers. Honest to god I don't think many of you are real American's the way you carry on, and just blindly believe all the right wing "nut job" spin.
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Again I ask... how many soldiers do you sacrifice to find someone who under a premeditated act, deserted his post?

And are you telling me that a Pentagon report about this incident in 2010 and comments from his comrades are somehow "nut job" spin?
 
rudder said:
Again I ask... how many soldiers do you sacrifice to find someone who under a premeditated act, deserted his post?

And are you telling me that a Pentagon report about this incident in 2010 and comments from his comrades are somehow "nut job" spin?
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No what I am telling you is they took a report based on the opinions and assumptions of some of his comrades. And yes, we should sacrifice to bring back ALL soldiers home regardless of what your opinion is of that soldier(s). That Soldier Creed means everyone. Have you served in the military, because my son is in it right now, and many are aghast at how so many are saying that this soldier should never have been rescued. Not all service members feel the same way about leaving him behind because they think he is a deserter. We need to allow the Army to do their job and do the investigation and if necessary court martial procedures. We dole out justice we don't let our enemy do that.
 
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I dunno...
He was, by almost all accounts, an unusual soldier. While at infantry school in Fort Benning, Georgia, his comrades used their weekend passes to hit up local strip clubs, according to Rolling Stone. Bergdahl hung out at Barnes & Noble instead. After training, he was assigned to the 25th Infantry Division in Fort Richardson, Alaska, arriving in October of 2008, and quickly developing a reputation as both a marksman and an earnest student of military life. He was never far from his Ranger Handbook.

He also read Three Cups of Tea, about a humanitarian mission to educate girls in Afghanistan, and surrounded himself with the tracts of his youth, including the writings of Kant and Aristotle.

He deployed to Afghanistan in May 2009, where again he stood out. “He wouldn’t drink beer or eat barbecue and hang out with the other 20-year-olds,” Cody Full, a member of Bergdahl’s platoon, said in an interview with the New York Times. “He was always in his bunk. He ordered Rosetta Stone for all the languages there, learning Dari and Arabic and Pashto.”
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Book stores instead of strip clubs? Not eating barbeque or drinking illegally? Pretty hard to defend this guy.
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rudder said:
Again I ask... how many soldiers do you sacrifice to find someone who under a premeditated act, deserted his post?

And are you telling me that a Pentagon report about this incident in 2010 and comments from his comrades are somehow "nut job" spin?
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How about we let the pentagon decide that. Hey look, they did!

As mentioned earlier, the figures of those killed looking for him are highly dubious.
 
I find it a ironic that Obama wouldn't negotiate "ransom" with debt-limit hostage-takers, but doesn't appear to have any issues doing so with Taliban hostage-takers.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I find it a ironic that Obama wouldn't negotiate "ransom" with debt-limit hostage-takers, but doesn't appear to have any issues doing so with Taliban hostage-takers.
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Why would that be ironic? If the Taliban had the capacity to re-abduct sgt. Bergdahl any time they felt like it it would most certainly have been foolish for Obama to have negotiated with them. Since it isn't, there is no comparison between the two.

I will never understand the continuing attempts by conservatives to point at things Obama will negotiate over. There are zillions of them. If he is smart, the debt ceiling will never be one. This is a public policy move we should all celebrate.
 
eskimospy said:
Why would that be ironic? If the Taliban had the capacity to re-abduct sgt. Bergdahl any time they felt like it it would most certainly have been foolish for Obama to have negotiated with them. Since it isn't, there is no comparison between the two.

I will never understand the continuing attempts by conservatives to point at things Obama will negotiate over. There are zillions of them. If he is smart, the debt ceiling will never be one. This is a public policy move we should all celebrate.
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You're no fun. Lighten up.
 
Nebor said:
Yeah guy, the military has known from the outset that Bergdalh deserted. He has still remained the highest intelligence priority in the world since he was captured (even ahead of Osama Bin Laden.)

He regretted his actions and tried to escape once and was recaptured by Haqqani. He was still a deserter.

Obama isn't a traitor, he did was was necessary to recover America's only POW, which was the right thing to do.
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Pretty much this. Recover him, then give him a hearing and if warranted, a fair trial.
 
Oldgamer said:
No what I am telling you is they took a report based on the opinions and assumptions of some of his comrades. And yes, we should sacrifice to bring back ALL soldiers home regardless of what your opinion is of that soldier(s). That Soldier Creed means everyone. Have you served in the military, because my son is in it right now, and many are aghast at how so many are saying that this soldier should never have been rescued. Not all service members feel the same way about leaving him behind because they think he is a deserter. We need to allow the Army to do their job and do the investigation and if necessary court martial procedures. We dole out justice we don't let our enemy do that.
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There is also the soldiers creed of not abandoning your brothers. My opinions are based on the comments of the men who served with Burgdahl and the 2010 pentagon report that concluded he abandoned his post.

I will reserve further judgement about whether he sought out the taliban and revealed Army tactics to them until there are further investigations completed.

At any rate at least 6 soldiers were killed looking for this deserter. He should have to answer for this. And those 5 taliban commanders that were released were some heavy hitters. The whole thing was definitely better for the taliban that it was for the U.S.
 
eskimospy said:
Yeap! He may be a scumbag, but he's our scumbag.
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And the only way the families of the deceased will get satisfaction is if the case is investigated and charges preferred if warranted. Neither of which will happen while he's a POW.

I do have concerns that the investigation won't be thorough when the WH is already using terms like "honor and distinction" when describing his service.

Its unusual for fellow soldiers to talk about one like this. I'm not saying take it as bona fide proof but it is concerning and warrants investigation IMO.
 
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