US Soldier spends 3rd Christmas as Taliban Prisoner

[OutHouse]

1. He was a POW. The President acted to bring the last POW home. You have a problem with leaving our POW's to rot in captivity?

2. The Taliban are not a terrorist organization.

3. When next year the war in Afghanistan ends, we would most likely have to release the 5 enemy combatants (yes, they were not listed as terrorists. And there are not part of Al Qaeda).

4. Remember Iran Contra? Yeah, how do feel about selling arms to Iran, possibly interfering with getting the Embassy POW's freed, and sending money to death squads?

5. Once again, you intentionally lie about the facts, I wonder why?

6. Explain how a Marine that voluntary crossed into another country on his own and that we not at war with, and have normal relations, and has been accused of crimes in a Mexican court, has anything to do with a POW? But you know this too, you are just trolling.

this is my first post in this thread so i have no idea what you mean by "once again intentionally lie" please be a good boy and point out my lies.

 

[fskimospy]

President broke the law and now will be responsible for killing of our citizens and soldiers from releasing the terrorists. Not to mention actually negotiating with terrorists in the first place.

There you go.

So presumably you advocated for Ronald Reagan to be tried for treason as well. How did I miss that post?

 

[spidey07]

So presumably you advocated for Ronald Reagan to be tried for treason as well. How did I miss that post?

No deflection.

This is about Obama's high crimes. An impeachable offense. Remove him from office, with force.

 

[OutHouse]

So presumably you advocated for Ronald Reagan to be tried for treason as well. How did I miss that post?

god damn can you deflect more?

 

[Fern]

I'm starting to think we've had it all backwards.

Obama's objective wasn't bringing Bergdahl home and so to that end he agreed to release the 5 terrorists to get it done.

Instead his objective was to release the prisoners and he used the Bergdahl swap as cover.

I.e., I'm starting to think the real play here is for some longer-term unstated objective.
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BTW: Michael Mukasey, a lawyer, former long serving federal judge and Attorney General of the United States says that the GITMO prisoners don't need to be released after we exit Afghanistan.

The conclusion of war requires a surrender or treaty, neither of which can be expected here.

He also says these prisoners can legally be held longer because they are not being confined for punishment, but instead because they pose a threat to the USA.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

No deflection.

This is about Obama's high crimes. An impeachable offense. Remove him from office, with force.

Lol. Shocker that you wouldn't answer that question.

Also, advocating the violent overthrow of the government is a crime.

 

[spidey07]

Lol. Shocker that you wouldn't answer that question.

Also, advocating the violent overthrow of the government is a crime.

I was talking about secret service and congress.

No deflections. Attention remains on this failed treasonous president.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I'm starting to think we've had it all backwards.

Obama's objective wasn't bringing Bergdahl home and so to that end he agreed to release the 5 terrorists to get it done.

Instead his objective was to release the prisoners and he used the Bergdahl swap as cover.

I.e., I'm starting to think the real play here is for some longer-term unstated objective.
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Fern

Stewox? Is that you?

 

[boomerang]

SecDef Chuck Hagel Run Over By Bus

Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel was unexpectedly run over by a bus in Washington, DC today as he was reaching for a buck President Obama was trying to pass him.

 

[emperus]

I'm starting to think we've had it all backwards.

Obama's objective wasn't bringing Bergdahl home and so to that end he agreed to release the 5 terrorists to get it done.

Instead his objective was to release the prisoners and he used the Bergdahl swap as cover.

I.e., I'm starting to think the real play here is for some longer-term unstated objective.
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BTW: Michael Mukasey, a lawyer, former long serving federal judge and Attorney General of the United States says that the GITMO prisoners don't need to be released after we exit Afghanistan.

The conclusion of war requires a surrender or treaty, neither of which can be expected here.

He also says these prisoners can legally be held longer because they are not being confined for punishment, but instead because they pose a threat to the USA.

Fern

I thought we lived in America, where we beleive people aren't incarcerated without a crime. How do you justify indefinitely incarcerating someone without trying them?

I guess it's not surprising you are pointing our to one of Mukaseys opinions. After all he was one of Bush's Attorney Generals and defender of most of the heavy handed things to come out of the Bush administration.

 

[boomerang]

How do you justify indefinitely incarcerating someone without trying them?

The answer is as simple as it gets. Because our laws allow for indefinite incarceration of enemy combatants. It might give you a wicked case of the vapors to see it happening but your recourse is to change the law not circumvent it.

Ignoring the law eventually leads to a lawless society and one I'm certain you would not like. Pass good laws, change bad laws. That's how we do it in U.S.

 

[Jaskalas]

Or for this President, he IS the law. Until 61% of Congress says otherwise.

 

[boomerang]

Or for this President, he IS the law. Until 61% of Congress says otherwise.

I'm hoping for a change in November and a Congress with the balls to impeach our first black President. I am under no delusion that they will do so however. With 952 days remaining, Obama has too much opportunity to further damage the nation. At the very least, I am hopeful that a Republican controlled Congress can in effect neuter him. It will take decades, if it is even possible, to undo the damage of the Obama Presidency. And the people of our nation will learn nothing from it. The next unqualified slick huckster to come along and promise new and improved bread and circuses will slide right into the top slot. Without a restoration of the separation of powers within our government we will once again be ruled by a King and be subject to the whims of that King.

Below is a somewhat related and long read about the DOJ under Holder. It shines a light on just how much damage is being done behind the scenes at just one department in our government. Undoing the damage will be nearly impossible due to the hiring practices of the government.

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2014/0...-the-end-of-his-tenure-is-downright-shocking/

 

[Nebor]

The President is the chief executive, he can break the law if he needs to.

 

[cabri]

The President is the chief executive, he can break the law if he needs to.

BS

The USSC has already decided that no person is above the law in this country.

Regretfully, there are some that feel that way and others that support that position.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

this is my first post in this thread so i have no idea what you mean by "once again intentionally lie" please be a good boy and point out my lies.

You have a long history in P&N, not in this thread.

Care to actually address the points I posted? Perhaps clarify this false equivalence you claim between the Marine in Mexico and a POW?

Or clarify how you know that Bergdahl was a deserter? You can post the link to his court-martial.

Or you can clarify, using your own words, why you are a piece of shit for wanting to leave an American soldier in captivity.

Or you can keep trolling like you have been.

 

[werepossum]

SecDef Chuck Hagel Run Over By Bus

Dunno why he was reaching for it, that buck was heading his way at high speed. I'm wondering if the buck crashed into him and he just thought he'd been hit by a bus.

I'm hoping for a change in November and a Congress with the balls to impeach our first black President. I am under no delusion that they will do so however. With 952 days remaining, Obama has too much opportunity to further damage the nation. At the very least, I am hopeful that a Republican controlled Congress can in effect neuter him. It will take decades, if it is even possible, to undo the damage of the Obama Presidency. And the people of our nation will learn nothing from it. The next unqualified slick huckster to come along and promise new and improved bread and circuses will slide right into the top slot. Without a restoration of the separation of powers within our government we will once again be ruled by a King and be subject to the whims of that King.

Below is a somewhat related and long read about the DOJ under Holder. It shines a light on just how much damage is being done behind the scenes at just one department in our government. Undoing the damage will be nearly impossible due to the hiring practices of the government.

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2014/0...-the-end-of-his-tenure-is-downright-shocking/

President Biden. Same ideology, less brains.

I do agree about the progressive assumption of power, but that's bigger than Obama. Bush was a ah heck for signing statements, which are essentially the same thing, and I fully expect the next President regardless of power to be even worse than Obama. Power available is generally power seized and exercised, regardless of party.

You have a long history in P&N, not in this thread.

Care to actually address the points I posted? Perhaps clarify this false equivalence you claim between the Marine in Mexico and a POW?

Or clarify how you know that Bergdahl was a deserter? You can post the link to his court-martial.

Or you can clarify, using your own words, why you are a piece of shit for wanting to leave an American soldier in captivity.

Or you can keep trolling like you have been.

Both are service members detained in foreign lands, and most of us have a hell of a lot more sympathy for a soldier who blundered into a hostile nation and was detained than for a soldier who voluntarily walked into custody. About that there's no real doubt, far too much evidence exposed and investigation already done.

I don't think though that we can yet judge whether Bergdahl is (was) mentally competent. And in any case, I prefer him rotting in our prisons to him rotting in their prisons.

Something else too - heard on the radio today that Obama had tried two years okay to release these five with nothing in return. Assuming that's true - which may be a bad assumption - it makes this a bit more understandable. And we all need to realize that one of Obama's campaign promises was to close Club Gitmo. If we assume he still intends to do this, he'll release most there anyway, one way or another.

 

[cabri]

Or clarify how you know that Bergdahl was a deserter? You can post the link to his court-martial.

One does not need to be court martialed to be a deserter.
As previously stated, the US Military does not allow for a court martial without the accused being present.

Also, has been previous posted, the actions need to be classified as a deserter are laid out in the USCMJ.
Actions and words by Bergdahl meet this criteria.

Or you can keep trolling like you have been.

How can you classify him as a troll; when was he been tried and convicted :whiste:

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

No deflection.

This is about Obama's high crimes. An impeachable offense. Remove him from office, with force.

Put up or shut up...link to evidence of treason.

Otherwise all I see is an idiot racist that is frothing at the mouth that we still have a black President.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

One does not need to be court martialed to be a deserter.
As previously stated, the US Military does not allow for a court martial without the accused being present.

Also, has been previous posted, the actions need to be classified as a deserter are laid out in the USCMJ.
Actions and words by Bergdahl meet this criteria.


How can you classify him as a troll; when was he been tried and convicted :whiste:

The US military has not classified him as a deserter, therefore he is a POW, and therefore we have an obligation to get him back. Do you or outhouse-troll disagree? Or is there some secret clause that says if enough trolls on the internet think he is a deserter, we should leave him to rot in captivity?

So the military says he isn't a deserter, at least not yet. Why should I believe you and outhouse over the US Military?

Have you seen his posting history? You would know he is a troll.

The real question is if outhouse will ever post a coherent defense of his claims, or just bail out of the thread, or just keep with the incoherent ranting.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

I'm starting to think we've had it all backwards.

Obama's objective wasn't bringing Bergdahl home and so to that end he agreed to release the 5 terrorists to get it done.

Instead his objective was to release the prisoners and he used the Bergdahl swap as cover.

I.e., I'm starting to think the real play here is for some longer-term unstated objective.

Put down the crack pipe and step away.

Oh, and still waiting for you to try to defend this total BS you posted, and I showed you lied.

Negotiating with terrorists on hostages

You still going to just hand-wave that away, and keep on lying about everything? Shouldn't you like, actually, provide proof defending your post? OR do you feel that it's your god-given right to lie on these forums at will?

 

[CitizenKain]

Put up or shut up...link to evidence of treason.

Here is all the evidence he needs:

 

[Nebor]

BS

The USSC has already decided that no person is above the law in this country.

Regretfully, there are some that feel that way and others that support that position.

If the chief law enforcement officer in the country decides not to enforce a law, then what does it matter?

 

[cabri]

Before the U.S. transferred five Afghan Taliban detainees to secure the freedom of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, American intelligence officials predicted that two of the men would return to senior positions with the militant group, according to U.S. officials.

The classified assessment, a consensus of spy agencies compiled during the prisoner-swap deliberations, said two others of the five were likely to assume active roles within the Taliban, while only one of the five released detainees was considered likely to end active participation in the group’s effort to undermine the elected government of Afghanistan

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs.../12/obama-listens-to-no-one-and-chaos-ensues/

 

[cabri]

One does not need to be court martialed to be a deserter.
As previously stated, the US Military does not allow for a court martial without the accused being present.

Also, has been previous posted, the actions need to be classified as a deserter are laid out in the USCMJ.
Actions and words by Bergdahl meet this criteria.


How can you classify him as a troll; when was he been tried and convicted :whiste:

The US military has not classified him as a deserter, therefore he is a POW, and therefore we have an obligation to get him back. Do you or outhouse-troll disagree? Or is there some secret clause that says if enough trolls on the internet think he is a deserter, we should leave him to rot in captivity?

So the military says he isn't a deserter, at least not yet. Why should I believe you and outhouse over the US Military?

Have you seen his posting history? You would know he is a troll.

The real question is if outhouse will ever post a coherent defense of his claims, or just bail out of the thread, or just keep with the incoherent ranting.

And Bergdahl statements/actions are also in line with the definition of a deserter.

POW status does not exclude desertion per USMCJ.

If actions/statements can not be used to form an opinion; then you are also being a hypocrite in labeling someone a troll without a proper trial by the authorities.

Or is it that your opinion is the rule of the road :whiste: