US set to release most Guantánamo detainees

[charrison]

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The US is preparing to release or transfer many of the 549 detainees who are currently being held at the country's naval base at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba, a senior US defence official has told the Financial Times.

The official said "a significant portion will gradually be transferred or released" as part of a restructuring of the camp. This will include the construction of a new prison at the base, in which the US intends to hold long-term prisoners.

Among those expected to be transferred are four British citizens, whose detention has been a source of friction between the White House and its closest foreign ally. According to a senior UK counter-terrorism official, an announcement regarding the transfer of the British detainees "is expected within the next couple of weeks".

The UK official did not say whether the four would be prosecuted on terrorism charges on their return to Britain.

 

[CanOWorms]

This will include the construction of a new prison at the base, in which the US intends to hold long-term prisoners.

🙁

 

[Jhhnn]

Funny how the term "many" in the article translates to "most" in the OP...

Also note how it's just a statement from a "senior defence official", anonymous, of course, and that it's all dependent on other countries being willing to lock these guys up, take them off of Uncle Sam's hands...

Mere smoke and mirrors, so far...

 

[dahunan]

So, the people they are releasing were only suspects and were allowed to call an attorney and were never tortured or mistreated.. since they were only suspects, right?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

This will include the construction of a new prison at the base, in which the US intends to hold long-term prisoners.

🙁

Why are you unhappy about this? Would u rather they be set free to kill more innocent people?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Funny how the term "many" in the article translates to "most" in the OP...

Typical of the P&N RRR FLL Bush Faithful.

 

[alchemize]

Hey asshat #1, and parrot #2. It's the article title.

US set to release most Guantánamo detainees
By Mark Huband in London
Published: January 9 2005 22:02 | Last updated: January 9 2005 22:02

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

This will include the construction of a new prison at the base, in which the US intends to hold long-term prisoners.

🙁

Why are you unhappy about this? Would u rather they be set free to kill more innocent people?

If they're going to be continually held without trial, yes. In fact, they ARE innocent people at this point.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

This will include the construction of a new prison at the base, in which the US intends to hold long-term prisoners.

🙁

Why are you unhappy about this? Would u rather they be set free to kill more innocent people?

If they're going to be continually held without trial, yes. In fact, they ARE innocent people at this point.

If 1,000,000 people died tomorrow as a result of the release of one of these prisoners, would you change your pov on this issue?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Funny how the term "many" in the article translates to "most" in the OP...

Also note how it's just a statement from a "senior defence official", anonymous, of course, and that it's all dependent on other countries being willing to lock these guys up, take them off of Uncle Sam's hands...

Mere smoke and mirrors, so far...

Funny how I cut and paste the article title.....

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

This will include the construction of a new prison at the base, in which the US intends to hold long-term prisoners.

🙁

Why are you unhappy about this? Would u rather they be set free to kill more innocent people?

If they're going to be continually held without trial, yes. In fact, they ARE innocent people at this point.

They don't get the same standards American citizens get...many of the detainees have been caught red handed attacking US forces in Afghanistan or committing acts of terrorism...they are NOT innocent. Some are, most aren't.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeh, yeh, it's in the title of the article, does that make the author a Bush propagandist, too? Or did you not actually read the article, or is the headline supposed to be the article?

Most? well, many... Released? well, sorta, into the custody of some other govt, maybe, someday, we'll see... Look, uhh, we're just trying to show the compassionate side of conservatism, here, you know, the side that makes empty promises... the heat's on, and we're not going to change anything, but, err, we'd like to convey the impression that we might... someday, maybe, we promise...

 

[Ozoned]

"smoke and mirrors"


Nope, Jhhnn.

Your fire got put out and your mirror is broke.

Heh heh..

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

This will include the construction of a new prison at the base, in which the US intends to hold long-term prisoners.

🙁

Why are you unhappy about this? Would u rather they be set free to kill more innocent people?

If they're going to be continually held without trial, yes. In fact, they ARE innocent people at this point.

If 1,000,000 people died tomorrow as a result of the release of one of these prisoners, would you change your pov on this issue?

Dude, you keep coming back to this hypothetical point. So, Bush goes insane orders your family executed. All killed. Would you support him then? I am not going to play this game and you know it. The world is a dangerous place and it always was. Many never realized it until recently. Nothing has changed other than that awareness. So, we live by our principles, and yes die if need be, because we are surely going to die anyway. You are no coward. Let these people be tried or released.

I have yet to meet or know anyone too dangerous to have a fair trial. Neither have you. If the world is so dangerous and you fear them so much, consider living in a cave in a national park 200 miles from anywhere.

If the govt. has a case, let them make it. We really don't need Gulags.

 

[nageov3t]

good.

now that we've tortured them, I'll sure they'll take all their glowing comments and warm feelings about the US back to their home countries.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

This will include the construction of a new prison at the base, in which the US intends to hold long-term prisoners.

🙁

Why are you unhappy about this? Would u rather they be set free to kill more innocent people?

If they're going to be continually held without trial, yes. In fact, they ARE innocent people at this point.

If 1,000,000 people died tomorrow as a result of the release of one of these prisoners, would you change your pov on this issue?

I am not going to play this game and you know it. .

Yes I know you are not. But, I like to know how people think. Thats why I asked CycloWizard the question...

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: loki8481
good.

now that we've tortured them, I'll sure they'll take all their glowing comments and warm feelings about the US back to their home countries.

Here,

This should help

Its the thought that counts, right?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: loki8481
good.

now that we've tortured them, I'll sure they'll take all their glowing comments and warm feelings about the US back to their home countries.

Are you suggesting that we use Guantanamo as a place to hold everyone we want to torture? I'm quite positive we don't torture everyone - infact I'm quite sure the purpose of Guantanamo is a prison, not a torture facility.

CsG

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

This will include the construction of a new prison at the base, in which the US intends to hold long-term prisoners.

🙁

Why are you unhappy about this? Would u rather they be set free to kill more innocent people?

If they're going to be continually held without trial, yes. In fact, they ARE innocent people at this point.

If 1,000,000 people died tomorrow as a result of the release of one of these prisoners, would you change your pov on this issue?

I am not going to play this game and you know it. .

Yes I know you are not. But, I like to know how people think. Thats why I asked CycloWizard the question...

Fair enough, but this question is asked often, and I don't think I dissed you 😛

What would you have?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: loki8481
good.

now that we've tortured them, I'll sure they'll take all their glowing comments and warm feelings about the US back to their home countries.

Here,

This should help

Its the thought that counts, right?

heh. it's a lose-lose situation at this point... I just wish someone in the administration would take responsibility and quit either ignoring it completely or blaming it on low-level soldiers.

 

[Jhhnn]

From NTDZ-

"They don't get the same standards American citizens get...many of the detainees have been caught red handed attacking US forces in Afghanistan or committing acts of terrorism...they are NOT innocent. Some are, most aren't."

I can appreciate how you might believe that's true. OTOH, if it were, then there would obviously be enough evidence for some sort of a trial, wouldn't you think?

The sad truth is that many, if not most, of those taken from afghanistan surrendered to northern alliance forces under the conditions of fair treatment as pow's. Prior to that, their only involvement with american troops was in the form of receiving aerial bombardment...

If you'd care to back up your original statement with some linkage, I'd appreciate it...

Which isn't really the point, anyway. The point is that this whole deal is just more propaganda from the Bush Camp and their sympathizers. The anonymous source allegedly says "many" which the author translates into "most", yet the terms described pretty much rule out the possibility of any of these guys actually being "released", at all... unless you'd consider being transferred from Gitmo to some Yemeni, Saudi, or other Arab shithole as "released"....

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
If 1,000,000 people died tomorrow as a result of the release of one of these prisoners, would you change your pov on this issue?

I could hypothetically kill a million people tomorrow. Are you going to come arrest me and hold me without trial? If these people reek so badly of guilt, why haven't they been charged and tried?

Originally posted by: ntdz
They don't get the same standards American citizens get...many of the detainees have been caught red handed attacking US forces in Afghanistan or committing acts of terrorism...they are NOT innocent. Some are, most aren't.

If these people had been caught attacking US forces, they would be dead already. People shooting at our troops such that our troops can actually see them doing so end up dead. That's what makes our military so good. As I said, if they are sooooooooo guilty, why not try them and punish them according to the principles of justice?

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Are you suggesting that we use Guantanamo as a place to hold everyone we want to torture? I'm quite positive we don't torture everyone - infact I'm quite sure the purpose of Guantanamo is a prison, not a torture facility.

CsG

I would submit that being held indefinitely without charge or trial is a form of torture.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

This will include the construction of a new prison at the base, in which the US intends to hold long-term prisoners.

🙁

Why are you unhappy about this? Would u rather they be set free to kill more innocent people?

Just so we're clear on this, have the long term prisoners all been tried and found guilty? Or do we just "think" they did something bad and we're holding them just in case?

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: ntdz
They don't get the same standards American citizens get...many of the detainees have been caught red handed attacking US forces in Afghanistan or committing acts of terrorism...they are NOT innocent. Some are, most aren't.

If these people had been caught attacking US forces, they would be dead already. People shooting at our troops such that our troops can actually see them doing so end up dead. That's what makes our military so good. As I said, if they are sooooooooo guilty, why not try them and punish them according to the principles of justice?

You are incorrect. A number of surrenders occurred in both conflicts, the two I remember offhand being that in the city of Kunduz and Kandahar. From the mouth of a Guantanamo Bay detainee himself:

The first detainee, 31, spoke quietly through a Pashto interpreter to declare he had a Taliban-issued rifle but never fought against Americans. "I surrendered myself to Americans because I believed Americans are for human rights," he said. "I had never heard Americans mistreated anybody in the past."

The detainee admitted he had a Kalashnikov rifle issued by the Taliban, but said it was given to him "forcefully." "They were giving (rifles) to everybody," he said.

The military claims the man was a soldier and Taliban member since 1997 who went to Kunduz to fight the Northern Alliance. The prisoner said he had once been hospitalized for injuries in an air bombardment and had gone to Kunduz "hoping to earn some money."

He said he has nothing against Americans. "I am happy the Americans are rebuilding my country," he said.

The stories are varied, complicated and some detainees refused to entertain the notion of a hearing at all. Justice is not simple.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: ntdz
They don't get the same standards American citizens get...many of the detainees have been caught red handed attacking US forces in Afghanistan or committing acts of terrorism...they are NOT innocent. Some are, most aren't.

If these people had been caught attacking US forces, they would be dead already. People shooting at our troops such that our troops can actually see them doing so end up dead. That's what makes our military so good. As I said, if they are sooooooooo guilty, why not try them and punish them according to the principles of justice?

You are incorrect. A number of surrenders occurred in both conflicts, the two I remember offhand being that in the city of Kunduz and Kandahar. From the mouth of a Guantanamo Bay detainee himself:

The first detainee, 31, spoke quietly through a Pashto interpreter to declare he had a Taliban-issued rifle but never fought against Americans. "I surrendered myself to Americans because I believed Americans are for human rights," he said. "I had never heard Americans mistreated anybody in the past."

The detainee admitted he had a Kalashnikov rifle issued by the Taliban, but said it was given to him "forcefully." "They were giving (rifles) to everybody," he said.

The military claims the man was a soldier and Taliban member since 1997 who went to Kunduz to fight the Northern Alliance. The prisoner said he had once been hospitalized for injuries in an air bombardment and had gone to Kunduz "hoping to earn some money."

He said he has nothing against Americans. "I am happy the Americans are rebuilding my country," he said.

The stories are varied, complicated and some detainees refused to entertain the notion of a hearing at all. Justice is not simple.

From his mouth: he never fought US troops, which is why he's still alive. Next example.