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US, Russia and UK back Israel at Mideast meeting

JEDIYoda

Lifer
I find it interesting that Russia has sided with the US and UK in this matter.
A very interesting developement needless to say!!


http://news.yahoo.com/us-russia-uk-back-israel-mideast-meeting-124934445.html

VIENNA (AP) — In a boost to Israel, Russia joined the U.S. and Britain on Tuesday in backing the Jewish state's view that the Middle East cannot be turned into a nuclear arms-free zone without progress on regional peace.

The three nations — who are charged with registering new members to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty — also blunted Arab efforts to get them involved creating such a zone, telling an International Atomic Energy Agency meeting that was the sole responsibility of countries in the region.

The three-nation statement was made at a rare venue — a meeting bringing Israel and the Arab states together for a discussion of how to work toward establishing a Mideast nuclear-arms free zone. While nearly 100 nations attended the forum, it was primarily meant to allow those two opposing camps to exchange views on the issue — one of many dividing Israel from its Arab neighbors.

Organizers had warned against high expectations, and an official inside the closed two-day meeting said it ended Friday without bridging the differences.

Still the three-nation statement was significant. Russia is traditionally in the Arab corner and Moscow's decision to join Washington and London in the joint statement of support for Israel's view was a rare nod from Moscow recognizing Israel's security concerns.

"While Nuclear Weapon-Free zones improve the security of the entire international community, they do not exist in isolation from other security factors," said the statement to the closed meeting, which was shared with The Associated Press. Any such zone, it said must see "the states in the region united in their aspiration to provide for strengthened regional stability and security."

That dovetails with Israel's view that peace must prevail in the Middle East before it can be made into a nuclear free zone. But it clashes with the Arab position that the two issues are separate.

The Arabs say Israel's undeclared nuclear arsenal represents the biggest threat to Mideast peace. But Israel says Iran is the greatest threat to the region through its refusal to heed U.N. Security Council resolutions demanding it stop activities that could be used to make nuclear weapons and suspected research and development of such capabilities. Tehran denies any interest in such arms.

Iran boycotted the meeting. But a decision last year by the 189 members of the Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty to convene a U.N.-sponsored conference on establishing a Middle East nuclear-free zone in 2012 was an incentive for Israel's Arab neighbors to come to the exploratory Vienna talks.

Arab countries and Iran are aware of the potential of using the 2012 U.N. conference as a platform to pressure Israel to fulfill their long-standing demands: joining the nonproliferation treaty, acknowledging that it has nuclear weapons and allowing IAEA inspectors to probe its atomic activities.

Israel is unlikely to do any of that. It remains unclear whether it will even attend the 2012 talks and is at the Vienna meeting only under the stipulation that it remain a nonbinding give-and-take on the issue of nuclear-free zones in general.

The three-nation statement also sought to put into context the value of the meeting — which featured presentations on nuclear-free zones elsewhere.

It said "zones free of nuclear weapons cannot be created counter to the will of the countries of the region by the efforts of extra-regional powers or international organizations." That was an rebuttal of an Arab push to get powers that are members of the Nonproliferation Treaty involved in creating a Mideast nuclear-free region.


Participants said most speakers avoided polemics. But on Monday, Syria — among Israel's bitterest Mideast rivals — used the gathering to accuse Israel of posing a "grave and serious threat" through its undeclared atomic arsenal.

Israel, for its part, restated its view: no discussions on a nuclear-free zone without peace in the Middle East.

"Experience shows that such a process can only be launched when normal, peaceful relations exist in the region, when the threat perception of all regional members is low, and only after basic confidence is established among states of the region," David Danieli, Israel's deputy nuclear chief, said in comments provided to the AP.

For now, he said, "political instability, open hostilities, deep mistrust and noncompliance with international obligations are too common in many parts of the Middle East."
 
yeah but supporting this view is completely opposite to supporting israel unilateral actions, so it doesn't change a lot.
Everyone agrees that promoting stability and creating a stable zone that doesn't need nuclear weapons is the best thing.

I bet Israel and Iran will never give up their bombs though. They're too polarized and extremist.
 
Looking forward to LL eventually commenting here about "Bozo Netanyahu" LOL

Patience

He is over in the 65yr Soldier thread disparaging the soldier and the military.

Ignoring that it is people like the soldier that allows LL to act/talk like an ass.
LL even makes the Donkey in Shrek look intelligent in matters of ME politics and military affairs.
 
Russia is finally waking up and realizing Islamic Extremism is just as dangerous to them as the west...especially since they fight them in Chechnya.
 
I bet Israel and Iran will never give up their bombs though. They're too polarized and extremist.

No you don`t know a lot about that region of the world.

If Iran gives up for argument sake her nuclear weapons, Israel is not going to gather all the other Arab nations and by sheer numbers take over Iran.

On the other hand if Israel gave up there nuclear option and decided OK lets live and let live.....it would be a matter of time before one of Israel`s enemies did the math and decided to gather other Arab nations and in mass attack Israel....

All that is keeping that from happening now are those supposed nuclear weapons that everyone believes that Israel has...
 
Patience

He is over in the 65yr Soldier thread disparaging the soldier and the military.

Ignoring that it is people like the soldier that allows LL to act/talk like an ass.
LL even makes the Donkey in Shrek look intelligent in matters of ME politics and military affairs.
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I'd toss Nebor from the military faster, but still, EK, at least get your facts right, the soldier in question is only 60 and not 65.

But in terms of this thread, the Russian actions are in their own self interest. As Russia is a major oil producing exporter, and if they help take Iranian oil off world markets, and Iraq and maybe even Saudi Arabia fall into political descent, world oil prices will skyrocket, and the coffers of the Russian treasury will be even more flush with cash.

And even better, China with its long border with Russia will be forced to become dependent on Russian oil. Russia took its peace dividend after the cold war. Russia does not need a huge and expensive military, when it can work a foreign policy to its own advantage.

But Israel should make no mistake, Russia will throw Israel under the bus the second it becomes expedient.
 
Russia is finally waking up and realizing Islamic Extremism is just as dangerous to them as the west...especially since they fight them in Chechnya.
Governments have a history of lying to and even killing their own citizens to get public support for wars.
 
I find it interesting that Russia has sided with the US and UK in this matter.
A very interesting developement needless to say!!


http://news.yahoo.com/us-russia-uk-back-israel-mideast-meeting-124934445.html

VIENNA (AP) — In a boost to Israel, Russia joined the U.S. and Britain on Tuesday in backing the Jewish state's view that the Middle East cannot be turned into a nuclear arms-free zone without progress on regional peace.

The three nations — who are charged with registering new members to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty — also blunted Arab efforts to get them involved creating such a zone, telling an International Atomic Energy Agency meeting that was the sole responsibility of countries in the region.

The three-nation statement was made at a rare venue — a meeting bringing Israel and the Arab states together for a discussion of how to work toward establishing a Mideast nuclear-arms free zone. While nearly 100 nations attended the forum, it was primarily meant to allow those two opposing camps to exchange views on the issue — one of many dividing Israel from its Arab neighbors.

Organizers had warned against high expectations, and an official inside the closed two-day meeting said it ended Friday without bridging the differences.

Still the three-nation statement was significant. Russia is traditionally in the Arab corner and Moscow's decision to join Washington and London in the joint statement of support for Israel's view was a rare nod from Moscow recognizing Israel's security concerns.

"While Nuclear Weapon-Free zones improve the security of the entire international community, they do not exist in isolation from other security factors," said the statement to the closed meeting, which was shared with The Associated Press. Any such zone, it said must see "the states in the region united in their aspiration to provide for strengthened regional stability and security."

That dovetails with Israel's view that peace must prevail in the Middle East before it can be made into a nuclear free zone. But it clashes with the Arab position that the two issues are separate.

The Arabs say Israel's undeclared nuclear arsenal represents the biggest threat to Mideast peace. But Israel says Iran is the greatest threat to the region through its refusal to heed U.N. Security Council resolutions demanding it stop activities that could be used to make nuclear weapons and suspected research and development of such capabilities. Tehran denies any interest in such arms.

Iran boycotted the meeting. But a decision last year by the 189 members of the Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty to convene a U.N.-sponsored conference on establishing a Middle East nuclear-free zone in 2012 was an incentive for Israel's Arab neighbors to come to the exploratory Vienna talks.

Arab countries and Iran are aware of the potential of using the 2012 U.N. conference as a platform to pressure Israel to fulfill their long-standing demands: joining the nonproliferation treaty, acknowledging that it has nuclear weapons and allowing IAEA inspectors to probe its atomic activities.

Israel is unlikely to do any of that. It remains unclear whether it will even attend the 2012 talks and is at the Vienna meeting only under the stipulation that it remain a nonbinding give-and-take on the issue of nuclear-free zones in general.

The three-nation statement also sought to put into context the value of the meeting — which featured presentations on nuclear-free zones elsewhere.

It said "zones free of nuclear weapons cannot be created counter to the will of the countries of the region by the efforts of extra-regional powers or international organizations." That was an rebuttal of an Arab push to get powers that are members of the Nonproliferation Treaty involved in creating a Mideast nuclear-free region.


Participants said most speakers avoided polemics. But on Monday, Syria — among Israel's bitterest Mideast rivals — used the gathering to accuse Israel of posing a "grave and serious threat" through its undeclared atomic arsenal.

Israel, for its part, restated its view: no discussions on a nuclear-free zone without peace in the Middle East.

"Experience shows that such a process can only be launched when normal, peaceful relations exist in the region, when the threat perception of all regional members is low, and only after basic confidence is established among states of the region," David Danieli, Israel's deputy nuclear chief, said in comments provided to the AP.

For now, he said, "political instability, open hostilities, deep mistrust and noncompliance with international obligations are too common in many parts of the Middle East."

The Bible is pretty clear that the USA/Russia will be on same team . The Britts tho they lieing and their fate was sealed long ago . The sooner the better.
 
My point is that this shit about Iran and "Islamic Extremists" is overblown.

Was that a pun?? Islamic extremist and over BLOWN!!! hahahaah funny...
Actually your point is Bogus and NOT based on any fact!!

Just wait and understand little man what will happen once the islamic extremist get a hold of nukes......it will be a sad world!
Especially all these people who say -- Can`t we all just get along??
No we can`t!! Bottom line is the only way to get along is to be assimilated into their archaic system!
 
Earth the JediY, it was an equally sad day when Israel got a hold of nuclear weapons.

The mid-east will be better off if neither Iran or Israel have nuclear weapons.

Meanwhile international politics makes for strange bedfellows. As Israel becomes the new equivalent of the ancient Greek city state of Sparta, all consumed in maintaining its own slavery of its helots.

All those thousand of years later, the world remembers the achievements of Athens and what it built, largely forgotten is even the location of Sparta who forgot to build any alliances with their neighbors.
 
My point is that this shit about Iran and "Islamic Extremists" is overblown.

Oh. The Iran bit is, of course. The President of Iran has no control over the military there. Not just that it is too powerful for him to control like in Pakistan, but that legally he has no power over the military. The ruling religious clerics who took control via Islamic Extremism have the legal power to use the military.

However, Islamic Extremism is not something which is being overblown. It is pretty rampant, and is currently killing people on a routine basis.
 
Oh. The Iran bit is, of course. The President of Iran has no control over the military there. Not just that it is too powerful for him to control like in Pakistan, but that legally he has no power over the military. The ruling religious clerics who took control via Islamic Extremism have the legal power to use the military.

However, Islamic Extremism is not something which is being overblown. It is pretty rampant, and is currently killing people on a routine basis.
Let's agree to disagree🙂
 
So what this all means is that as long as Israel can avoid making peace, they get to keep their nukes, right?
 
Israel is the only nation in the Middle East who has been requesting peace for decades. Egypt took them up on their offer, as did Jordan. The others refused, mostly because part of the agreement requires them to recognize Israel's right to exist.
 
So what this all means is that as long as Israel can avoid making peace, they get to keep their nukes, right?

So you would disagree with this --

If Iran gives up for argument sake her nuclear weapons, Israel is not going to gather all the other Arab nations and by sheer numbers take over Iran.

On the other hand if Israel gave up there nuclear option and decided OK lets live and let live.....it would be a matter of time before one of Israel`s enemies did the math and decided to gather other Arab nations and in mass attack Israel....

All that is keeping that from happening now are those supposed nuclear weapons that everyone believes that Israel has...
 
So you would disagree with this --

If Iran gives up for argument sake her nuclear weapons, Israel is not going to gather all the other Arab nations and by sheer numbers take over Iran.

On the other hand if Israel gave up there nuclear option and decided OK lets live and let live.....it would be a matter of time before one of Israel`s enemies did the math and decided to gather other Arab nations and in mass attack Israel....

All that is keeping that from happening now are those supposed nuclear weapons that everyone believes that Israel has...

Interestingly enough, I use this same type of thinking to find out who is at fault for there being no peace in the region.

If the Palestinians were to give up their arms, proclaim peace, and stop attacking Israel, etc., the world would join their cause and a new nation (never before in existance) called Palestine would come into being.

If the Israelis were to give up their arms, the nation of Israel would cease to exist and the slaught of Jews in the area would commense.
 
The nation of Israel died right after Solomons son became King , That King only ruled the tribe of Juda . This is were the name Jews come from . Debating this stuff with you guys is useless . Until you understand Solomon and his heir You will never Know Israel. You only know Judea and the JEWS. Its ugly as all hell. The State they call Israel today and its Jews are an offense to God.
 
Was that a pun?? Islamic extremist and over BLOWN!!! hahahaah funny...
Actually your point is Bogus and NOT based on any fact!!

Just wait and understand little man what will happen once the islamic extremist get a hold of nukes......it will be a sad world!
Especially all these people who say -- Can`t we all just get along??
No we can`t!! Bottom line is the only way to get along is to be assimilated into their archaic system!

Really and the Catholics would never act in the same manner. What does the vary little you know about history tell you about this?
 
The nation of Israel died right after Solomons son became King , That King only ruled the tribe of Juda . This is were the name Jews come from . Debating this stuff with you guys is useless . Until you understand Solomon and his heir You will never Know Israel. You only know Judea and the JEWS. Its ugly as all hell. The State they call Israel today and its Jews are an offense to God.

I'm still waiting for that earth changing event you were touting.
 
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