US moves further and further to a GOP Nanny State

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Methinks you're not using the correct definition of slippery slope.

You used the future tense throughout.

Alright, the problme of slippery slope isn't technically a logical fallacy; slippery slope is a valid 'cascade-style' argument, it's just difficult to execute without some place that includes a 'leap' which does not follow from its predecessor, which is why most slippery-slope arguments fail.

In this case, not paying for birth control for people who do not have a great deal of disposable income is certain to lead to more unprotected sex, which is certain to lead to more pregnancies, which (unless abortions are publicly funded and highly accessible) is certain to lead to more births into poor families. This will certainly increase the burden on social programs for the poor, education, and other services; birth control is [i[so cheap[/i] compared to these services, that the net effect has to be an increase in social costs, even if this change was a pure funding cut, which it is not.

I wouldn't necessarily have framed this as a slippery slope argument, but if you'd like to do so, it's a pretty good one.

Shut down the welfare programs. Problem solved.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Methinks you're not using the correct definition of slippery slope.

You used the future tense throughout.

Alright, the problme of slippery slope isn't technically a logical fallacy; slippery slope is a valid 'cascade-style' argument, it's just difficult to execute without some place that includes a 'leap' which does not follow from its predecessor, which is why most slippery-slope arguments fail.

In this case, not paying for birth control for people who do not have a great deal of disposable income is certain to lead to more unprotected sex, which is certain to lead to more pregnancies, which (unless abortions are publicly funded and highly accessible) is certain to lead to more births into poor families. This will certainly increase the burden on social programs for the poor, education, and other services; birth control is [i[so cheap[/i] compared to these services, that the net effect has to be an increase in social costs, even if this change was a pure funding cut, which it is not.

I wouldn't necessarily have framed this as a slippery slope argument, but if you'd like to do so, it's a pretty good one.

Shut down the welfare programs. Problem solved.

That would certainly solve the problem of deciding how to administer those programs. But that's the only problem it would solve.

 

[HomeAppraiser]

Missouri to ban providing birth control to low-income women. WTF Wasn't it the Republicans that wanted to require Norplant for low-income women to be eligible for welfare a few years back!?!

During the 1990s, several states introduced legislation involving the birth control drug Norplant, with policy suggestions ranging from making it available through Medicaid, to increasing benefits for women who use it, to requiring women to use it as a condition for receiving benefits.

The early 1992 welfare reform bill in Mississippi, designated by its main proponent as a "pro-family" bill, included proposals to implant "female AFDC recipients with four or more children with the birth control drug Norplant," impose a family cap, and offer "a thousand dollar 'reward' to women who married and left the rolls."

Is this a policy 180 or an example of if your poor, black and live in the South then "Norplant 'em" vs. poor, white from the north then "Jesus loves your baby"?

 

[dmcowen674]

South Carolina latest State to Ban Sex Toys

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
South Carolina may ban sex toys.

Seriously, why the f should the gov't care?

COLUMBIA, S.C. - Sugar 'N Spice manager Pat Irons says a proposal to outlaw the sale of sex toys in South Carolina is outrageous.

But banning the sale of sex toys is actually quite common in some Southern states.

The measure would add sex toys to the state's obscenity laws, which already prohibit the dissemination and advertisement of obscene materials.

People convicted under obscenity laws face up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

South Carolina law borrows from a 1973 U.S. Supreme Court ruling to define obscene as something "contemporary community standards" determine as "patently offensive" sexual conduct, which "lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value."

Other states that ban the sell of sex toys include Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi and Texas, said Mark Lopez, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Forced sterilization for people making MORE than $40k per year.

Fixed... We don't need more booshes .... Seems to me the top 10% are screwing this country and we don't need any of that...

 

[conjur]

I was dog-sitting for my dad this past week. He has DISH satellite and there's an Erotica Shop on one of the shopping channels. Pretty much selling any type of dildo, vibrator, etc. you'd want or could imagine. Guess that will be targeted before long.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Forced sterilization for people making MORE than $40k per year.

Fixed... We don't need more booshes .... Seems to me the top 10% are screwing this country and we don't need any of that...

I had to go back to the beginning of this thread to remember why I wrote that. I was being completely sarcastic.

 

[dmcowen674]

4-29-2006 Philadelphia shuts down three Swingers clubs, compare them to Brothels

3 city sex clubs may have swung their last swingerPhila. doesn't issue permits for them, officials say; thus, they're illegal. Members say they are just private clubs.

Tizer and his attorney, Kenneth A. Young, are appealing a Jan. 18 decision by the city Zoning Board of Adjustment upholding closure. They also have sued the city in Common Pleas Court, contending officials have violated their members' rights of free expression and association guaranteed by the U.S. and Pennsylvania constitutions.
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but Philadelphia like most of the Country is now saying sex is bad and evil except for procreation, church donations and votes.

Keep voting the way you are and you will have to pick a number to be assigned who, when, where you will have sex only to make a baby with a designated wife.

Enjoy

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

This one goes out to the neo-con goosesteppers everywhere

When Der Bushie says, "We ist der master race"
We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Der Bushie's face
Not to love Der Bushie is a great disgrace
So we HEIL! HEIL! Right in Der Bushie's face
When Herr Cheney says, "We own der world und space"
We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Herr Cheney's face
When Herr Cheney says they'll never bomb this place
We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Herr Cheney's face

Are we not the supermen
Aryan pure supermen
Ja we ist der supermen
Super-duper supermen
Ist this neo-con land not good?
Would you leave it if you could?
Ja this neo-con land is good!
Vee would leave it if we could

We bring the world to order
Heil Bushie's world New Order
Everyone of foreign race will love Der Bushie's face
When we bring to der world disorder

When Der Bushie says, "We ist der master race"
We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Der Bushie's face
When Der Bushie says, "We ist der master race"
We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Der Bushie's face


Why doesn't the government worry about the appalling state of our education, health care, and environment before dipping their Orwellian nose in my bedroom? Consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want between themselves as long as everyone is in agreement.
God bless the United States of Hypocrisy.

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
South Carolina latest State to Ban Sex Toys

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
South Carolina may ban sex toys.

Seriously, why the f should the gov't care?

COLUMBIA, S.C. - Sugar 'N Spice manager Pat Irons says a proposal to outlaw the sale of sex toys in South Carolina is outrageous.

But banning the sale of sex toys is actually quite common in some Southern states.

The measure would add sex toys to the state's obscenity laws, which already prohibit the dissemination and advertisement of obscene materials.

People convicted under obscenity laws face up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

South Carolina law borrows from a 1973 U.S. Supreme Court ruling to define obscene as something "contemporary community standards" determine as "patently offensive" sexual conduct, which "lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value."

Other states that ban the sell of sex toys include Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi and Texas, said Mark Lopez, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union.

why does the government care what you do in your own home as long as it doesn't hurt other people

if you don't want to see those products stay away from the sex shops, its very simple

 

[Stonejaw]

The name of US will soon be changed to "The Peoples Republic of the United States of America" or PRUSA if you will 🙂

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Condor
We do live in a caring society. A caring society exhausted by forty years of liberal ideals having been proven false and a welfare society built by the best of intentions generating the worst of lives.

Thats an interesting claim considering the office of president has been held by a democrat for only 20 out of the past 46 years (democrats being liberals, unless of course Reagan counts as being left leaning by your standards).

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp
LOL, who relies on state funding for birth control to begin with? That's right, welfare moms. So what they've effectively done is take welfare moms off contraception.
I hope Missouri taxpayers have vaseline ready for the aftermath in the not too distant future. 😀 It's only fair they pay for the stupidity of the politicians they themselves elected 🙂

End welfare. Problem solved.

Exactly. Lets go back to the ******-era of laissez-faire government laziness where both the business and political worlds were infested with corruption and there was a huge gap between the rich and the poor. You know the "roaring 20s"? Huge overall economic growth, yet about 1/10th of 1% of the population controlled around 35% of all savings. All thanks to a lack of government regulation. Guess what happened? The Great Depression.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp
LOL, who relies on state funding for birth control to begin with? That's right, welfare moms. So what they've effectively done is take welfare moms off contraception.
I hope Missouri taxpayers have vaseline ready for the aftermath in the not too distant future. 😀 It's only fair they pay for the stupidity of the politicians they themselves elected 🙂

End welfare. Problem solved.

Exactly. Lets go back to the ******-era of laissez-faire government laziness where both the business and political worlds were infested with corruption and there was a huge gap between the rich and the poor. You know the "roaring 20s"? Huge overall economic growth, yet about 1/10th of 1% of the population controlled around 35% of all savings. All thanks to a lack of government regulation. Guess what happened? The Great Depression.

You have all of that reversed. Corruption, by defintion, requires government involvement and regulation of business. How else could corruption between government and business exist unless government was in a position of power to grant favors to select businesses? Laissez-faire is the opposite, the phrase itself was created by pre-revolution French merchants who suffered under the restrictive policies of King Louis XVI (who was later beheaded for the way his policies fattened the rich while starving the poor). Large economic disparity was never caused by laissez-faire style economics, but in the 1800s was its legacy from the days of the feudal and mercanitilist monarchies, when everyone was poor and lived in filth except for the priviledged aristocracy. The Roaring 20's economic boom and the resultant Great Depression was a perfect storm caused by extremely lax lending and monetary policies of the newly-created central banking system of the Federal Reserve combined with rampant speculation in new technologies (particularly the newly-developed radio).

However, none of this has anything to do with my previous argument which you quoted, as you (it seems) were just ranting almost incoherently (and certainly non-factually). Welfare in the US has nothing to do with laissez-faire, the roaring 20's, or the Great Depression, but was implemented decades after all that in the late 60's under LBJ.
So yeah, whatever... try getting yourself an education before spouting your propagandist garbage.