US military wants to jam EU Galileo satellite frequencies
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Owning the world's only GPS system gives the US a huge advantage. While Galileo may be good for the consumer (it gives more accuracy) its also good for certain people who don't like the US as well.
Also, controlling GPS gave the US leverage over their allies - especially countries who'd bought cruise missile packages from them - eg UK, Israel - when they could turn it off in a region at will.
Its ironic though - for fifty years the US was desperately trying to get Europe to increase its military capacity, but it was only when this stopped being important to the US (after the cold war) that Europe got serious about it. Sadly for the US, the issue for Europe is independence, and the EU isn't going to give this up easily.
Also, controlling GPS gave the US leverage over their allies - especially countries who'd bought cruise missile packages from them - eg UK, Israel - when they could turn it off in a region at will.
Its ironic though - for fifty years the US was desperately trying to get Europe to increase its military capacity, but it was only when this stopped being important to the US (after the cold war) that Europe got serious about it. Sadly for the US, the issue for Europe is independence, and the EU isn't going to give this up easily.
the Galileo system can also be used against European countries. I don't see the point why our American friends are upset about this system. It seems to me that they only want lapdogs, not allies
I'm pretty sure that the EU will take the necessary precautions if there should be a threat for the USA.
I don't understand why the USA should stick it nose in something that is funded by the EU. I don't think that Americans would appreciate it when Europe would interfere with an USA project.
Zebo
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I meant it figurativly and hopefully permanently. As I said it's too easy to cause our population centers extreme harm by rouge regimes or even no so unfriendly anymore countries. all you need is around 75 kilos to go super-critical and about $125K in parts. No more state sponsored super-infrastucture needed to develop ICBMs or complicated guidance systems.
and I say it's far easier to smuggle a dirty bomb into the USA or the EU then to make your own dirty bomb cruise missile. Why make things complicated???
btw: the same can be done already with GPS. Who cares if the accuracy is only 100 feet with GPS. It doesn't matter if you use a dirty bomb. These rogue states like you call them are not interested in accuracy. If they aim for LA but it explodes in SF it's the same for them.
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One not 50, 100, and so on. We can shut it down after the first. Galileo would eliminate this option and make us a very vulnerable. As for dirty bombs.. it's not as easy as you think.. delivery is always the major impediment to dirty bombs which must be aerosold to do great harm
so you think that the EU wouldn't block an attack on the USA when a rogue state launch an attack like you described.
it seems to me that the security issue is only a disguise for the real reason: the US just wants to have a monopoly on this technology
Of course the US wants a monoploy on the GPS system it is the greatest advance in knowing where you are sences the compuse was invented.
Ever heard of US Space Command? We want to control space before others.
BTW, why would Europe want to compete against the US instead of working with her? It doesn't make any sense. If the US GPS is available free of charge, why build an exact replica instead of helping maintain and/or upgrade the current system, not unlike the International Space Station?
Furthermore, with the Chinese and other rogue (militarily speaking) entities on board, the European system could be a serious threat to our national security. It's simply unacceptable to let it be in space without some form of control from us.
more accurate, dont want to be dependant on the us
and a question, whats your definition of a rouge entitie?
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It's actually the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), the largest spy agency no one talks about, which will shoot down these sats under thier Offensive Counter-Space program. And I think we both know why they want these systems up. Thier device has no added benefit commercially speaking than what we provide for free.
That sounds noble and all but it's still BS. The real reason seems to be about competition and trying to one-up the US. Like I said before, they should've tried working with us to upgrade our own GPS system, if need be.
Furthermore, our new policy on military competition (D.P.I.) falls into this sphere. It's simply unacceptable to have potential enemies have a slice of space without our overt control. This European system must become centralized rather than independent or else wwe'll start a new and useless technology (and arms) race that will bankrupt both continents. IMHO, it's better to work together than compete.
That has never been an issue until now, has it?
What are the Europeans, Chinese, Iranians, and North Koreans planning that requires such a massive investment and replica of an existing system that has been freely beneficial to everyone?
Its not about competing with the US, but being able to exert our independence should we need to. Put yourself in the EU's shoes - can you trust the fact that you are always going to agree with the US? More importantly, can you trust the fact that the US will always agree with you?
One thing that the US has learned is that if you are going to protect your place in the world, you cannot sit back and rely upon the goodwill of your friends. Take US seapower, for example. My memory of dates is a bit hazy, but I remember that back in Mahan's day, the US navy was relatively insignificant, and US flagged ships relied on the protection of the British navy, which at the time was the biggest in the world. While this worked fine, and meant that the US did not have to spend money on a large navy, many farsighted US navy people realised that the US could not maintain its power, let alone expand it, while relying on the goodwill of its another country. The modern US navy was born, and the US's power increased.
Similarly, the EU cannot afford to simply rely on the goodwill of America - that way lies only becoming a vassal state. Galileo provides independance in a very important area, as well as impetus for the European space and tech programms.
That has, is and always will be an issue.
The US does want that control over the Galileo system, so if the US were to offer an upgrade deal with Europe then would it offer them the same thing the US wants now?
The Gallileo system is being built so the Europeans are not dependent on the US GPS system. I'm not entirely sure why this is an issue to the Europeans as the accuracy differences between the systems is in the millimeters. If anything it appears that Europe wants to build a system that rouge contries can use to attack the US. Although that statement is silly, it appears to be the intent as the system provides little if any benefit over the GPS system and will cost billions to build.
The simple fact is that if the Euro's build that system and someone uses it to attack American interests we will destroy the system to prevent a repeat incident. That is the reality.
The simple fact is that if the Euro's build that system and someone uses it to attack American interests we will destroy the system to prevent a repeat incident. That is the reality.
That's a terrible example. The earlier example I give earlier was better. Despite that fact that it is mostly a research entity, the ISS shows that man can work together without unnecessary competition.
Furthermore, Europe and the US are part of the same defense club, NATO. It is stupid to create a redundant system that everyone (except our enemies) is happy with. Instead of competing with the US, the Europeans should compliment our system with something else. If the Europeans have something to say they should come out and say what their intentions are, rather than hiding behind a weak excuse.
BTW, making redundencies is one thing. Making redundencies that will be available to our Chinese, North Korean, and Iranian rivals is totally unacceptable.
http://europa.eu.int/comm/dgs/energy_transport/galileo/intro/future_en.htm
about the accuracy of the system
about the accuracy of the system
and oh yeah, why worry about china using the galileo system, china certanly isnt that interested
http://www.computerworld.com/mobiletopics/mobile/story/0,10801,82464,00.html
http://www.computerworld.com/mobiletopics/mobile/story/0,10801,82464,00.html
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