US Marine on trial for war crimes...

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HappyPuppy

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Originally posted by: NFS4
He would have been a POW if someone hadn't popped two bullets into his head;)

The soldier told him to STOP and then to TURN AROUND. If the soldier thought he was in danger, he would have not even told him anything. He would have just popped him w/o question. But he took the iniative to reason with the enemy, then shoot him.
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He didn't do anything I wouldn't have/haven't done. You do everything possible to preserve your own life.

Again, you don't know the facts other than those in a newspaper article.

You are in pursuit of an enemy soldier, you find him, he is doing something with his weapon(s), you scream at him to drop the weapons and put his hands up, no resonse, you step to the side (behind him because that is the safest place to be), all the while bringing your weapon to bear on hm, you fire. Dead enemy, and you are alive.

 
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HappyPuppy

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Apr 5, 2001
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Originally posted by: Trinitron
Well we just don't agree NFS4, thats ok though. HappyPuppy please don't assume things, I have lived through a couple wars now and I realise this is common place but the media frowns on it, and because he did shoot the Iraqi from behind it makes him look like a thief.

Other than bragging about it, it doesnt appear this soldier was out of line.
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I agree with this statement.
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Trinitron, I spent a year under fire, every goddamn day. Don't be condescending if you don't know who you are talking to.
 
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notfred

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We all know the same amount about this particular incident: practically nothing. However, I'm willing to bet that the Naval Criminal Investigative Service knows a tad bit more about it, and they've decided that it's worth investigating. based solely on that, I'm inclined to think that there was a good chance he was out of line. I'm not gonna bother arguing over it based on one sentance he said with very little information in it.
 
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AndrewR

Lifer
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He kills an armed enemy soldier who had recently attacked his unit, and people want to start yelling about war crimes? Ridiculous. There's no way for the Marine (much like a police officer) to know if they guy is pulling the pin on a grenade if he makes a sudden movement. Two bullets in the head sounds prudent to me.

And if anyone even remotely trusts the opinion of the anti-American John Pike...
 
sygyzy

sygyzy

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Oct 21, 2000
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Yet another example of trigger happy Marines. What do you expect when you train these guys for years and they only get to shoot paper targets? Just checked CNN this morning and there was ANOTHER crowd shooting? I didn't know there was a first?!
 
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ROTC1983

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Originally posted by: sygyzy
Yet another example of trigger happy Marines. What do you expect when you train these guys for years and they only get to shoot paper targets? Just checked CNN this morning and there was ANOTHER crowd shooting? I didn't know there was a first?!
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Yes and your infinite and stereotypical view of the marines owns all
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gopunk

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if this soldier was able to go behind the iraqi soldier after he told him to stop and turn around, do you really think the iraqi was a threat at that point?

had he simply shot the soldier, it would have been okay, but when they are submitting to your will, i think it's wrong to just shoot them.
 
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technogeeky

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Why is everything and anything criminalized in war these days? Has war become less brutal? Are bullets magically less deadly?

 
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gopunk

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Originally posted by: Aceshigh
Yeah, that's why 8 members of the 507th Maintenance Unit ended up dead right? I'd be willing to bet they were not all killed during the firefight.

As far as Im concerned it's war and if an enemy soldier attacks our troops then our troops have the right to take that person out. It doesn't matter if he then decided he didn't want to fight anymore. The Iraqis were very underhanded, fighting in civilian clothes and feigning surrender and then attacking. You can't trust them.

Other than bragging about it, it doesnt appear this soldier was out of line.
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yea well too bad, the geneva convention doesn't agree with you.
 
NFS4

NFS4

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Originally posted by: gopunk
if this soldier was able to go behind the iraqi soldier after he told him to stop and turn around, do you really think the iraqi was a threat at that point?

had he simply shot the soldier, it would have been okay, but when they are submitting to your will, i think it's wrong to just shoot them.
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Agreed. That's what I've been trying to say the whole thread. But it appears that some people just want an excuse for pumping lead into people.
 
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Supahfreak

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Bottom line is if he did it and didn't brag about it he probably would have been alright. I have nothing but respect for those guys because they were doing their job, but he bragged to a newspaper about doing something illegal. He must not be the sharpest knife in the drawer.

FreAk:D
 
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csiro

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Definitely he should be court martialed if the allegations are true. You don't shoot someone in the back of the head. Imagine if an Iraqi soldier did this to a US Marine, everyone would be saying that would be a war crime. You can't have two standards.
 
SagaLore

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
he shot one twice in teh back of the head... doesnt sound to innocent.....

im sure its the exception rather than the rule though
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It was a war, not a burgalury...
 
NFS4

NFS4

No Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: csiro
Definitely he should be court martialed if the allegations are true. You don't shoot someone in the back of the head. Imagine if an Iraqi soldier did this to a US Marine, everyone would be saying that would be a war crime. You can't have two standards.
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But they are a BRUTAL people and we are always SOOOOOOO right and just
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Sucks to get killed by a foreign soldier in YOUR homeland that you are trying to defend after you have stopped and followed their directions.
 
NFS4

NFS4

No Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
he shot one twice in teh back of the head... doesnt sound to innocent.....

im sure its the exception rather than the rule though
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It was a war, not a burgalury...
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Ever heard of the Geneva convention??? If it was "just war" there wouldn't be an inquiry into his actions.
 
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AndrewR

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: sygyzy
Yet another example of trigger happy Marines. What do you expect when you train these guys for years and they only get to shoot paper targets? Just checked CNN this morning and there was ANOTHER crowd shooting? I didn't know there was a first?!
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Marines are trained for war, and war necessarily involves killing people. News flash: Iraq was until recently a war zone. If that offends your sensibilities, then maybe you should sit in a room without sharp corners and read Disney books.

Did you happen to notice that these crowds are shooting at US troops? It's amazing how those facts are left out of reports, like the one I heard on NPR which just happened to ignore that aspect when they reported the latest incident.
 
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TheNinja

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All you people condemming this marine are probably the same ones that say "give Scott peterson a fair trial before you condemm him". And besides, you don't know the situation. Maybe the guy made a threatening gesture. If someone just tried to kill you and you tell him to stop and turn around and he stops then hesitates how the hell do you know that he isn't hauling out a grenade, or getting ready to turn and fire? How do you know he isn't arming his suicide bomber suit. He could have saved his fellow marines' lives now STFU about it it was war. Don't think this crap doesn't happen all the time.
 
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csiro

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Originally posted by: Staley8
All you people condemming this marine are probably the same ones that say "give Scott peterson a fair trial before you condemm him". And besides, you don't know the situation. Maybe the guy made a threatening gesture. If someone just tried to kill you and you tell him to stop and turn around and he stops then hesitates how the hell do you know that he isn't hauling out a grenade, or getting ready to turn and fire? How do you know he isn't arming his suicide bomber suit. He could have saved his fellow marines' lives now STFU about it it was war. Don't think this crap doesn't happen all the time.
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Well they're having an inquiry to sort all this out. If the guy made a threatening move or was going to do something, then it's a justified shooting. But if he didn't, no reason to shoot the guy.

 
jlee

jlee

Lifer
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He told the Iraqi to turn around..but did said Iraqi turn around? If he did not comply, that would explain why he was shot in the *back* of the head, would it not? A human head isn't that small...it's not like you have to be 10 feet away to hit it. Double taps are normal.

What would you rather read : "Marine shoots Iraqi"..or "Iraqi soldier detonates grenade; 3 Marines dead"?
 
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