US Marine Doctor rushes through crossfire to save Iraqi Orphan!

[BaliBabyDoc]

Brought food with the troops? WTF? Think dammit. You can't have troops trying to haul truck loads of food across the country and fighting at the same time. Also, as soon as they left hundreds of Iraqis would be killed just for accepting the aid from the US if the same government was in power. Damn, man...

Try this on . . .

You live under a despotic regime. You attempted a popular uprising over a decade ago but were deserted by a foreign power which promised but did not deliver support. Today the foregin power has a new leader but the same name. He promises to liberate you from the brutal regime and promises a better tomorrow . . . literally promising that his very arrival will change your country.

Well they arrive . . . and drive by . . . in their wake they disrupt the prior channels of humanitarian aid which supported 3/5 of your country. In the meantime, the foreign leader claims to control the vast majority of your country, while you suffer shelling from the Iraqi military, direct intimidation from paramilitary units, AND your formerly poor food/water resources have further deteriorated. You see the foreign leader broadcast to the world how aid is less than two days away . . . unfortunately that was a week ago. He claims to have Saddam's regime in a box . . . you wonder if his box has running water and more food than the MRE given by passing GI.

Let's see if hundreds of Iraqi would be slaughtered for accepting US food aid . . . apparently the people have NOT been liberated. The US/UK press have claimed the Ba'ath Party offices were looted and the city is under coalition control. Someone is mixing fact (the former)with wishful thinking (latter). Regardless, the absence of potable water and real food aid is a failure of concern and/or planning. Several international agencies announced BEFORE the invasion they were receiving ZERO assistance in coordinating post-invasion humanitarian aid. My point still stands . . . the plight of the southern Iraqis is primarily a function of their condition being an ancillary concern to the US military and civilian planners. IMHO, not a very good way to treat people from which you expect . . . if not absolutely require . . . support.

 

[prontospyder]

Originally posted by: LordRaiden
Doctor holding Iraqi orphan child.

Her parents and family were killed when a group of Iraqi paramilitary troups opened fire into a crowd of civilians that were standing between them and US marines in the area. :|

The Marine doctor in this picture was one of 3 soldiers that rushed out into the heart of the firefight to protect this child and anyone else that was still alive. While her entire family is dead, this child was saved. Hats off to the brave soldiers that rushed to save her and anyone else that they could that was wounded, but still alive, during the firefight regardless of the danger to themselves. They risked death to save this little girl.

All but 2 people and this little child were killed by the Iraqi paramilitary troups.

Very brave Marine. She's one lucky child.

 

[Morph]

Her parents and family were killed when a group of Iraqi paramilitary troups opened fire into a crowd of civilians that were standing between them and US marines in the area.

Ah, I didn't even see this part. How convenient that the kid's parents happened to be killed by Iraqi soldiers firing on their own people. I guess the story wouldn't have been as good if they were killed by a stray US bomb.

 

[Ornery]

How convenient that the kid's parents happened to be killed by Iraqi soldiers firing on their own people.

WTF is wrong with you, boy? You think the story is false? Fu*kin' convenient al right.

What an ass!

 

[HappyGamer2]

no what's going to happen to the Kid?
unless they find a close family relative, maybe nobody will take her in iraq?
somebody May have to bring her back to the states and adopt her

 

[UltraQuiet]

Doc - where are you reading that stuff about the NGO's, the water and so on?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

World Food Program
The first link discusses current logistics . . . the second is more general but does state a belief that most Iraqis utilizing WFP aid have enough to last them through April.

tree huggers discussing water issues before the war
Although most water treatment plants have their own generators, 70 per cent of them do not work, according to UNICEF.

?Destruction of water sanitation systems has been slow and recognized by the US government as a direct consequence of sanctions against Iraq. According to the United States Defence Intelligence Agency document ?Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities? dated January 22, 1991, the DIA acknowledges that unless Iraq convinced the UN or individual countries to exempt water treatment supplies from sanctions for humanitarian reasons, water treatment capability would suffer a slow decline, and finally fully degrade.

As part of the US propaganda machine, we talk about how many Iraqi children have suffered due to poor water quality under Saddam . . . which is quite true. It is also true the sanctions prohibit the import of necessary materials to keep water treatment in working order.

The wife has requested dinner . . . "get off the computer and cook you lazy b....." I might be able to find better links later. My comments were based primarily on some bow-tied former DOD employee who now runs a major NGO and another regional NGO representative giving interviews on C-SPAN before the war started.

 

[Ornery]

• Hah! BabyDoc with an apron on! Pics?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I saw an estimate (red cross I believe) that said Iraq will require 350,000 tons of food etc, every month. Cant imagine the logistic nightmare that would create.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Hah! BabyDoc with an apron on! Pics?

I don't wear an apron . . . I'm a real man . . . I wipe my hands on the wife.
Shrimp and red peppers sauteed in ginger soy/olive oil served over angel hair pasta . . . you are welcome to join us but be forewarned the wife does not like to share.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Morph

Originally posted by: gopunk
morph what is up with your sig? surely you know that who wins is not based on the total number of votes, but the electoral college system?

Yes, and surely you know that Bush lost the popular vote. Does it bother you that I remind you of that fact?

Surely you know that in a democracy, everyone's vote is supposed to count equally. Are you ok with the fact that the Electoral College subverted the democratic will of the people in 2000? I'm not.

As a student of the US political system...no I don't have a problem with the Electoral College. The Electoral College is a compromise that was devised when our system of government was in its infancy and still being fleshed out. The reason for the E.C. is to give smaller states an equal opportunity to have a voice in the Presidential election. Without the E.C. smaller states would be crushed under the weight of the larger states.

Map of 2000 Presidential election broken down by counties.

Edit: There is some useless chest-pounding by the Republican Party on the map key, but you can still see the basic break down of Gore & Bush.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: Morph

Originally posted by: gopunk
morph what is up with your sig? surely you know that who wins is not based on the total number of votes, but the electoral college system?

Yes, and surely you know that Bush lost the popular vote. Does it bother you that I remind you of that fact?

Surely you know that in a democracy, everyone's vote is supposed to count equally. Are you ok with the fact that the Electoral College subverted the democratic will of the people in 2000? I'm not.

You should also realize that those number are even in the margin of error. Remember the recounts in Florida and how much those numbers shifted...even though Bush won every recount. The electorial college is there to help uphold an election in the case of these numbers being so close also.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Is it propaganda if it's a true story? Prove that it is false before you spew your own propaganda.

Errant US missiles have fallen in Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. When a US missile goes off course and causes civilian damage the US response:

1) deny any knowledge of such an occurence: true typically but denies the fact the most likely candidate is a US munition (even high-tech)
2) deny any knowledge but give the caveat . . . the US does not target civilians: true (sort of) technically Saddam is the civilian leader of his government . . . high-ranking members of his government have been targeted during this conflict . . . hence anytime these civilians are located they are likely to be targeted.
3) blame the Iraqis for placing military hardware within civilian areas or civilians close to legitimate military targets: true but you cannot ignore the fact that we know it and choose to attack anyway.
4) acknowledge that it might have happened: this admission is typically followed by a littany of explanations about how infrequent such mistakes occur followed by the caveats under #2 and #3.

US authorities use Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International to justify coalition criticisms of Saddam's regime and our rationale for invasion. We then issue wholesale denials of ANY claim they make towards the degree of humanitarian plight in Iraq. It's a hypocritical practice and pure propaganda. If we really wanted to provide water and food to southern Iraqis we could have brought it overland with the troops. It was not a primary goal . . . to be pretend otherwise exposes rank hypocrisy in the liberators.

Great diatribe, yet so completely off topic. How does this prove that this story is false? (Please note that I am not saying that the "coalition" does not ever use propaganda)

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
In sum, every compassionate act of US/UK troops SHOULD be broadcast as truth but it should NOT be tied to larger US actions. We didn't rush to Baghdad to feed Basra. At this point in time the US/UK can legitimately claim to hold the majority of southern Iraqi oil fields but no infrastructure for delivering potable water and sufficient food to southern Iraqis. Those are facts. The US/UK spin is securing Iraq's future . . . the Arab street would call it revealing our true intents.

No one can deny that Saddam is a ruthless POS . . . but the water was more potable (albeit still substandard) and the people had subsistence food while his Ba'ath brethren ran the show. The US/UK claim to run the show but have nothing but excuses for why the water quality has worsened and the flow of aid has been greatly reduced.

Iraqi troops (regular and paramilitary) shooting at our soldiers and Iraqi civilians is just an "excuse" used by the Coalition to not import food and water supplies, even though those supplies just happen to be sitting around in containers waiting to be distributed.

 

[Conky]

I wouldn't have risked my neck for some little snot-nosed kid. Sorry, but this is war we're talking about here folks.

Surviving is key.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Morph

Originally posted by: gopunk
morph what is up with your sig? surely you know that who wins is not based on the total number of votes, but the electoral college system?

Yes, and surely you know that Bush lost the popular vote. Does it bother you that I remind you of that fact?

Surely you know that in a democracy, everyone's vote is supposed to count equally. Are you ok with the fact that the Electoral College subverted the democratic will of the people in 2000? I'm not.

That's a load of crap. Gore got the same 2 million extra votes out of Illinois that Kennedy had. And they were dead when they voted for Kennedy too.

Didn't change the end result this time.

 

[Corn]

I don't wear an apron . . . I'm a real man .

I call shenanigans! I've seen a picture of you wearing pigtails! :Q

 

[ub4me]

Originally posted by: Morph
US soldiers = angels

Iraqi soldiers = devils

Wow! Another black and white thinker.

 

[sean2002]

Originally posted by: Larvae
what a dork he should have thrown a hand grenade at her . shell either end up becoming a terrorist or emigrating to the us

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
World Food Program
The first link discusses current logistics . . . the second is more general but does state a belief that most Iraqis utilizing WFP aid have enough to last them through April.

tree huggers discussing water issues before the war
Although most water treatment plants have their own generators, 70 per cent of them do not work, according to UNICEF.

?Destruction of water sanitation systems has been slow and recognized by the US government as a direct consequence of sanctions against Iraq. According to the United States Defence Intelligence Agency document ?Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities? dated January 22, 1991, the DIA acknowledges that unless Iraq convinced the UN or individual countries to exempt water treatment supplies from sanctions for humanitarian reasons, water treatment capability would suffer a slow decline, and finally fully degrade.

As part of the US propaganda machine, we talk about how many Iraqi children have suffered due to poor water quality under Saddam . . . which is quite true. It is also true the sanctions prohibit the import of necessary materials to keep water treatment in working order.

The wife has requested dinner . . . "get off the computer and cook you lazy b....." I might be able to find better links later. My comments were based primarily on some bow-tied former DOD employee who now runs a major NGO and another regional NGO representative giving interviews on C-SPAN before the war started.

As part of the ANTI-US propaganda machine I would like to point out no mention is made of Saddams responsibility in lifting the sanctions. The US had no control over this, only he did, by complying. His noncompliance continued the sanctions, he diverted what little money was given for more arms and military aid while his people starved. This is all the big bad US's fault, forget this was a UN sponsored sanction....

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Dude, are you stalking my posts . . . weird . . .

 

[schmedy]

The Marine doctor in this picture was one of 3 soldiers that rushed out into the heart of the firefight to protect this child and anyone else that was still alive. While her entire family is dead, this child was saved. Hats off to the brave soldiers that rushed to save her and anyone else that they could that was wounded, but still alive, during the firefight regardless of the danger to themselves. They risked death to save this little girl

Sorry to burst your bubble, not that this is a bad story or anything, but there are no Doctor's in the Marine Corps, he was either a Nacy Corpsman or an Army Dr. Another one of the many times I see the media reporting what they think is true, like the conformed "silkworm" which was conformed by a CNN reported not anyone else, god knows he has vast knowledge of missles I bet. The media, pro and con war, are so fast to post and run stories they don't even care about the facts. Just watch stories and see how many times the contents change about who was involved or what happened.

Semper Fi to my brothers and a safe return to our troops.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: Morph

Originally posted by: gopunk
morph what is up with your sig? surely you know that who wins is not based on the total number of votes, but the electoral college system?

Yes, and surely you know that Bush lost the popular vote. Does it bother you that I remind you of that fact?

Surely you know that in a democracy, everyone's vote is supposed to count equally. Are you ok with the fact that the Electoral College subverted the democratic will of the people in 2000? I'm not.

Better go back to Civics class. Our form of government is not a true pure democracy. Our government is a republic which works a bit different than a pure democracy but is based on democratic ideals. This is all laid out in our constitution. There are reasons why the electoral college is used rather than a popular vote.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: UlricT

Originally posted by: LordRaiden
Doctor holding Iraqi orphan child.

Her parents and family were killed when a group of Iraqi paramilitary troups opened fire into a crowd of civilians that were standing between them and US marines in the area. :|

The Marine doctor in this picture was one of 3 soldiers that rushed out into the heart of the firefight to protect this child and anyone else that was still alive. While her entire family is dead, this child was saved. Hats off to the brave soldiers that rushed to save her and anyone else that they could that was wounded, but still alive, during the firefight regardless of the danger to themselves. They risked death to save this little girl.

All but 2 people and this little child were killed by the Iraqi paramilitary troups.

You guys cannot recognise propoganda when you see it, can you?

I sure as hell can recognise an ass when I hear one!

This is just one more story/picture that will NEVER make the pages of Al jazeera.

I think you are wrong, the caption will change though...
"Americans brutally kill entire family spare the infant child to conduct their satanic rituals and sacrifice" will be the caption

kudos for him though, probably has more compassion than 10 generations of Hussein's combined

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Dude, are you stalking my posts . . . weird . . .

dude, do you post ignorant statements then run when confronted with fact????

how typical.


You're right though, your obvious bias needs to attention drawn to it, everyone here is acutely aware how it affects your perspective and understand it fundamentally dooms your arguements the moment you open your mouth...