US judge temporarily blocks Mississippi abortion law......

[Ryan]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48037455/ns/us_news/

The last women's clinic to offer abortion services in Alabama is being legislated out of business by state conservatives.

It's funny...with all the "keep the government out of our lives" themes popping up in neo-conservative arguments lately, you would think there would be less of this, lulz.

 

[michal1980]

they're just setting standards.

 

[mwtgg]

they're just setting standards.

Standards which serve only one purpose. I'll let you guess what goal they had in mind...

 

[manimal]

More uselss regulation putting small business out of work

 

[Jhhnn]

they're just setting standards.

Stunningly dishonest, in that deliberately obtuse way that Righties perfected long ago...

 

[Lemon law]

The fact is and remains that Federal law trumps State law.

Which is why Roe v Wade struck down the existing State laws in almost every state law in the nation after Roe v Wade came out.

So after Alabama has the chutzpah to again pass a new State law outlawing abortion, yep Alabama is a crusing for a brusing, and the Judge is right to slap an injunction on that. End of story. When the rest of the Federal judiciary joins the Federal judge, in making sure other idiots don't even think about trying the Alabama stupidity.

If Alabama wants to fore go highway funds, matching funds, and billions of other Federal perks, they may be able to maybe do so if they feel stupid and froggie, but there will be a bunch of out of office Alabama politicians ruing their stupidity far faster
crapola.

 

[michal1980]

Stunningly dishonest, in that deliberately obtuse way that Righties perfected long ago...

We are only starting to learn from the left.

You guys never have problems with regulating every other buisness. We are now starting to play catch up.

 

[manimal]

We are only starting to learn from the left.

You guys never have problems with regulating every other buisness. We are now starting to play catch up.

Sometimes you should realize your playing checkers on a board with people playing three demential chess....

 

[Jhhnn]

We are only starting to learn from the left.

You guys never have problems with regulating every other buisness. We are now starting to play catch up.

More of the same deliberately obtuse dishonesty, particularly coming from someone who advocates forced abortion, but now apparently opposes it when voluntary...

There's obviously nothing authoritarian about that, at all...

 

[nehalem256]

They should have just put a "tax" on it. After all the Supreme Court has recently ruled that the government can compel you as long as you call the punishment a "tax"*.

*or if a court decides it was a tax even though you spent 2 years explicitly denying that it was a tax.

 

[nehalem256]

The fact is and remains that Federal law trumps State law.

Which is why Roe v Wade struck down the existing State laws in almost every state law in the nation after Roe v Wade came out.

And which federal law says that abortion doctors can perform abortions without having admitting privileges at a local hospital?

 

[Jhhnn]

And which federal law says that abortion doctors can perform abortions without having admitting privileges at a local hospital?

Which one says that States have the right to demand that they do?

(cue up the usual states' rights gibberish)

 

[nehalem256]

Which one says that States have the right to demand that they do?

(cue up the usual states' rights gibberish)

I would assume that state's have a right to regulate medical personnel in the state.

So for example requiring that doctors performing surgeries in the state to have admitting privileges at a hospital in the state

 

[Jhhnn]

I would assume that state's have a right to regulate medical personnel in the state.

So for example requiring that doctors performing surgeries in the state to have admitting privileges at a hospital in the state

So, uhh, have they made the same demands wrt other surgeries? Cosmetic? In vitro fertilization? vasectomies? Lasik? Amniocentesis & many more?

Are there no admitting surgeons in Mississippi who'll help women suffering complications from abortion? What about those women you've claimed should be forced to have abortions?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Well this is good what the state did it does give that state a chance. The fact the the court will likely block the law doesn't change the good that the state did nice move mississippi. You got in just in time. Buy the time the rest of the states east of the mississippi understand whats happening it will be to late for them

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

They should have just put a "tax" on it. After all the Supreme Court has recently ruled that the government can compel you as long as you call the punishment a "tax"*.

*or if a court decides it was a tax even though you spent 2 years explicitly denying that it was a tax.

Interesting.

A Punishment?

And your asterix point is irrelevant. It would only be relevant if NOW someone claimed it wasn't a tax.

See the difference?

 

[nehalem256]

So, uhh, have they made the same demands wrt other surgeries? Cosmetic? In vitro fertilization? vasectomies? Lasik? Amniocentesis & many more?

Why does that matter? Is there a federal law that says all surgeries must be treated the same?

Are there no admitting surgeons in Mississippi who'll help women suffering complications from abortion?

Irrelevant. Does the state of Mississippi have the right to regulate medical practitioners in the state or not?

What about those women you've claimed should be forced to have abortions?

Irrelevant as that is not the law in Mississippi.

 

[Jhhnn]

Why does that matter? Is there a federal law that says all surgeries must be treated the same?

There's the principle of equal protection in the Constitution plus judicial precedent wrt women's rights to abortion. The intent of the Miss law is clearly to deny that right.

Irrelevant. Does the state of Mississippi have the right to regulate medical practitioners in the state or not?

Only in a fair & reasonable fashion.

Irrelevant as that is not the law in Mississippi.

Quite relevant if you're to have a consistent position wrt abortion or any issue, unless you're just pitching spitballs for Team Republican. It goes to credibility on your part, of which there is none.

 

[nehalem256]

There's the principle of equal protection in the Constitution plus judicial precedent wrt women's rights to abortion. The intent of the Miss law is clearly to deny that right.

Equal protection does not mean that all medical disciplines must receive the same regulations. 🙄

Abortions are not outlawed in Mississippi. If no doctors are willing to get the necessary admitting credentials that is not Mississippi's fault.

Only in a fair & reasonable fashion.

Requiring abortion doctors to have admitting privileges is unreasonable how?

 

[Brainonska511]

Abortions are not outlawed in Mississippi. If no doctors are willing to get the necessary admitting credentials that is not Mississippi's fault.

That's hardly the problem. For whatever the reason, they have been unable to get admitting privileges (maybe the hospitals are denying them). It's just the state throwing up one more hurdle so that women cannot exercise their right to access a legal medical procedure (should they choose to have one).

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/02/us/judge-blocks-anti-abortion-law-in-mississippi.html?ref=us

While the doctors employed by the clinic are OB-GYNs, they have not been able to secure admitting privileges with an area hospital, making the clinic in clear violation of the new law.

And this isn't an issue about safety. Many important people in the Mississippi government have said that this was about shutting down the only abortion clinic in the state.

But the lawsuit brought on behalf of the clinic notes that supporters of the new law have publicly stated the broader intention to limit abortions. It cites Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves’s Web site, which says that the law “not only protects the health of the mother but should close the only abortion clinic in Mississippi”

But I don't expect you to care, if only due to your women-hating issues that you bring up in every thread.

 

[nehalem256]

That's hardly the problem. For whatever the reason, they have been unable to get admitting privileges (maybe the hospitals are denying them). It's just the state throwing up one more hurdle so that women cannot exercise their right to access a legal medical procedure (should they choose to have one).

Hospitals have the right to choose who they grant admitting privileges to.

And this isn't an issue about safety. Many important people in the Mississippi government have said that this was about shutting down the only abortion clinic in the state.

You mean like the Democrats said the Obamacare mandate was not a tax :sneaky:

 

[Jhhnn]

Equal protection does not mean that all medical disciplines must receive the same regulations. 🙄

Abortions are not outlawed in Mississippi. If no doctors are willing to get the necessary admitting credentials that is not Mississippi's fault.

Requiring abortion doctors to have admitting privileges is unreasonable how?

Standard obtuse dishonesty, utterly unsurprising.

 

[Jaskalas]

Aww... Dems finally get to argue against regulation.
That's so... beautiful. :'(

Welcome to the club. I expect your stay won't be long.

 

[dawheat]

I'm more irritated that Mississippi has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the US.

So more mouths to feed, clothe, and educate, by parents who can't afford to raise them. Yay for more productive use of my taxes.

It's also amusing that a state government working so hard to legislate 'morality' can't legislate their kids keeping it in their pants.

 

[nehalem256]

Standard obtuse dishonesty, utterly unsurprising.

There is no dishonesty.

Mississippi is within its rights to regulate medical practitioners in the state.

Hospitals have the right to determine who gets admitting privileges.

Therefore their is no basis for the injunction other than disliking the law. This is not a valid basis for courts to block a law.