US intelligence: Iran will be able to build first nuclear bomb by February

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
DisgruntledVirusI'm laughing because he and apparently you miss the bigger picture. Tell me: how many nuclear weapons did NK have in 2001? How many does it have in 2008? Do you think the country is a better place to live in for its inhabitants? Do you think it's a more or less stabilizing force in the region?

Okay, I misunderstood what you were laughing at then.

I realize NK has nuclear weaponry, but as Fermi (IIRC) said once the nuclear genie has been released it cannot be put back in it's lamp. So it doesn't matter if they didn't have them in 2001, and do now. The point is they have them. NK was unstable as it was, and since they are new to the nuclear arena they are very unstable. Nuclear weapons have a way of making a country feel more powerful, and until they are able to learn that using them is a bad idea they will be a destabalizing force.

While I am all for limiting nuclear proliferation, I also don't think it is the best choice. It creates a divide between the countries with nuclear weapons, and those without. This results in animosity from those without, and when they get them they get nuclear happy. Eventually they realize that using them is a horrible idea*. It is no different than the divide between the rich and poor that is widening. The ones without feel jaded, and powerless. It is only a matter of time before every nation has nuclear weapons IMHO. The real question is how do we allow them into the nuclear arena? Do we help them become a nation that has nuclear programs and use them productively, or do we let them do it in secret allowing situations like NK to happen.

Nuclear weapons scare people. As they should, but it isn't until we start trying to divide humanity that issues arise*. I believe that given a few years for the "ZOMG WE HAZ NUKEZ" to die down, NK (and other nations like Iran) will realize that having them is useful for defense and retaliation but not to use them offensively. Any nation that uses nuclear weapons without international consent will face the wrath of the world.

Also NK/Iran having nuclear weaponry doesn't bother me much. They don't have the ability to attack us with them. That being said, nations they can attack should be worried and we should back any nation that gets attacked/threatened by a nuclear country. The US/Russia can destroy the world many times over with each of their arsenals. NK having 5 nuclear weapons doesn't bother me all that much. Yes they could give them to terrorists, but once again if they look long term this is a bad idea. The rest of the world would come crashing down on them in a way never before seen if it was ever linked to them (I mean actually linked, not GWB's Iraq linking....).

*excluding terrorists, rogue factions, crazy leaders, etc.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Do some reading on North Korea and the agreed framework why don't you? As for "dismantling" North Korea, it seems to be doing just fine to me and have you forgotten that they have already detonated a nuclear weapon on Bush's watch?

Your position on these issues is simply retarded. You are pathetically trying to blame something on a president in office for one month while excusing a previous president who has had 8 years to fix the issues you care about. You can't possibly believe the retarded shit you post, and so I can only assume you're trying to get reactions out of people with your stupidity. Stop it.

You mean the test that fizzled, and since then there have been numerous shutdowns?

First Biden, now eskimospy, so many liberals are hedging their bets on the Obama Presidency! :laugh:

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: winnar111
Can we bomb their nuclear sites yet?

Based on a link at Debka.com ? Not likely LOL. Your posts are always so, paranoid and cowardly.

From Wiki "Debka has been criticized as a fringe outfit catering to conspiracy theorists"

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Skoorb
DisgruntledVirusI'm laughing because he and apparently you miss the bigger picture. Tell me: how many nuclear weapons did NK have in 2001? How many does it have in 2008? Do you think the country is a better place to live in for its inhabitants? Do you think it's a more or less stabilizing force in the region?

Okay, I misunderstood what you were laughing at then.

I realize NK has nuclear weaponry, but as Fermi (IIRC) said once the nuclear genie has been released it cannot be put back in it's lamp. So it doesn't matter if they didn't have them in 2001, and do now. The point is they have them. NK was unstable as it was, and since they are new to the nuclear arena they are very unstable. Nuclear weapons have a way of making a country feel more powerful, and until they are able to learn that using them is a bad idea they will be a destabalizing force.

While I am all for limiting nuclear proliferation, I also don't think it is the best choice. It creates a divide between the countries with nuclear weapons, and those without. This results in animosity from those without, and when they get them they get nuclear happy. Eventually they realize that using them is a horrible idea*. It is no different than the divide between the rich and poor that is widening. The ones without feel jaded, and powerless. It is only a matter of time before every nation has nuclear weapons IMHO. The real question is how do we allow them into the nuclear arena? Do we help them become a nation that has nuclear programs and use them productively, or do we let them do it in secret allowing situations like NK to happen.

Nuclear weapons scare people. As they should, but it isn't until we start trying to divide humanity that issues arise*. I believe that given a few years for the "ZOMG WE HAZ NUKEZ" to die down, NK (and other nations like Iran) will realize that having them is useful for defense and retaliation but not to use them offensively. Any nation that uses nuclear weapons without international consent will face the wrath of the world.

Also NK/Iran having nuclear weaponry doesn't bother me much. They don't have the ability to attack us with them. That being said, nations they can attack should be worried and we should back any nation that gets attacked/threatened by a nuclear country. The US/Russia can destroy the world many times over with each of their arsenals. NK having 5 nuclear weapons doesn't bother me all that much. Yes they could give them to terrorists, but once again if they look long term this is a bad idea. The rest of the world would come crashing down on them in a way never before seen if it was ever linked to them (I mean actually linked, not GWB's Iraq linking....).

*excluding terrorists, rogue factions, crazy leaders, etc.

I agree. I don't really find much worry in Iran having nukes and agree totally that they will get them, as most countries eventually will. The idea that a nation is going to commit suicide is not founded in reason and that's what it would be doing to use them.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Do some reading on North Korea and the agreed framework why don't you? As for "dismantling" North Korea, it seems to be doing just fine to me and have you forgotten that they have already detonated a nuclear weapon on Bush's watch?

Your position on these issues is simply retarded. You are pathetically trying to blame something on a president in office for one month while excusing a previous president who has had 8 years to fix the issues you care about. You can't possibly believe the retarded shit you post, and so I can only assume you're trying to get reactions out of people with your stupidity. Stop it.

You mean the test that fizzled, and since then there have been numerous shutdowns?

First Biden, now eskimospy, so many liberals are hedging their bets on the Obama Presidency! :laugh:

Good thing there's a product for daily bedwetters like yourself, it's called FloMax.

This way instead of slowly soiling yourself over the course of the day, you can now show us what a coward crybaby you are - right from the get go!

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Do some reading on North Korea and the agreed framework why don't you? As for "dismantling" North Korea, it seems to be doing just fine to me and have you forgotten that they have already detonated a nuclear weapon on Bush's watch?

Your position on these issues is simply retarded. You are pathetically trying to blame something on a president in office for one month while excusing a previous president who has had 8 years to fix the issues you care about. You can't possibly believe the retarded shit you post, and so I can only assume you're trying to get reactions out of people with your stupidity. Stop it.

You mean the test that fizzled, and since then there have been numerous shutdowns?

First Biden, now eskimospy, so many liberals are hedging their bets on the Obama Presidency! :laugh:

Hedging my bets on what? Huh? I said nothing of the sort. I know you can't be this stupid, so I'll just assume it's deliberate.

According to the CIA the North Koreans have several other nuclear weapons, along with enough plutonium to make quite a few more. Not like reality matters to people like you anyway though. I'll enjoy your tears when Obama wins.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Skoorb
DisgruntledVirusI'm laughing because he and apparently you miss the bigger picture. Tell me: how many nuclear weapons did NK have in 2001? How many does it have in 2008? Do you think the country is a better place to live in for its inhabitants? Do you think it's a more or less stabilizing force in the region?

Okay, I misunderstood what you were laughing at then.

I realize NK has nuclear weaponry, but as Fermi (IIRC) said once the nuclear genie has been released it cannot be put back in it's lamp. So it doesn't matter if they didn't have them in 2001, and do now. The point is they have them. NK was unstable as it was, and since they are new to the nuclear arena they are very unstable. Nuclear weapons have a way of making a country feel more powerful, and until they are able to learn that using them is a bad idea they will be a destabalizing force.

While I am all for limiting nuclear proliferation, I also don't think it is the best choice. It creates a divide between the countries with nuclear weapons, and those without. This results in animosity from those without, and when they get them they get nuclear happy. Eventually they realize that using them is a horrible idea*. It is no different than the divide between the rich and poor that is widening. The ones without feel jaded, and powerless. It is only a matter of time before every nation has nuclear weapons IMHO. The real question is how do we allow them into the nuclear arena? Do we help them become a nation that has nuclear programs and use them productively, or do we let them do it in secret allowing situations like NK to happen.

Nuclear weapons scare people. As they should, but it isn't until we start trying to divide humanity that issues arise*. I believe that given a few years for the "ZOMG WE HAZ NUKEZ" to die down, NK (and other nations like Iran) will realize that having them is useful for defense and retaliation but not to use them offensively. Any nation that uses nuclear weapons without international consent will face the wrath of the world.

Also NK/Iran having nuclear weaponry doesn't bother me much. They don't have the ability to attack us with them. That being said, nations they can attack should be worried and we should back any nation that gets attacked/threatened by a nuclear country. The US/Russia can destroy the world many times over with each of their arsenals. NK having 5 nuclear weapons doesn't bother me all that much. Yes they could give them to terrorists, but once again if they look long term this is a bad idea. The rest of the world would come crashing down on them in a way never before seen if it was ever linked to them (I mean actually linked, not GWB's Iraq linking....).

*excluding terrorists, rogue factions, crazy leaders, etc.

I agree. I don't really find much worry in Iran having nukes and agree totally that they will get them, as most countries eventually will. The idea that a nation is going to commit suicide is not founded in reason and that's what it would be doing to use them.

Barring any crazies/fringe/terrorists/anarchists/etc I don't think NK having nuclear weaponry will cause them to initiate a nuclear attack. About the only way I see it happening, is if another country (SK maybe) attacks them because of nuclear weaponry. In retaliation or to stave off defeat they use nuclear weapons on the nation they are at war with, but I don't foresee any nuclear country using them offensively. As you say doing so would be suicide for the leaders.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: techs
Yes, I always get my news about what the US intelligence agencies think from rabit right wing Israeli websites.
Especially when its from unamed Washington sources.

It has been called to my attention by TPTB that there are no rabit right wing Israeli websites. However, there probably are Rabbi right wing Israeli websites. But I'm guessing I was really going for rabid.

 

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