US in talks with Taliban for Peace

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http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/06/18/afghanistan.us.taliban/index.html

"Peace negotiations with the Taliban and with other countrymen have been started," Karzai told reporters after his earlier announcement on state TV. "Those who accept the constitution, freedom, democracy and development of Afghanistan can take part in this negotiation."
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U.S. officials could not immediately be reached for comment.
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The United States has said that the Taliban and other groups should separate from al Qaeda, renounce violence and abide by the Afghan constitution.

You must be fucking kidding me. After probably a trillion dollars and this many lives, the US goes back an starts negotiating with the Taliban. What kinda harebrained State dept dumbass came up with this idea.
 

a777pilot

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We should have left that "country" when we failed to support the attack on Tora Bora. Our forces ought be in Pakistan. Not in Afghanistan.
 

Jhhnn

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We should have left that "country" when we failed to support the attack on Tora Bora. Our forces ought be in Pakistan. Not in Afghanistan.

Given that we couldn't subdue a nation of 24M, let's just attack 162M in a neighboring country. Brilliant. Maybe that's because resources were diverted to the real prize, Iraq, where we've fared only marginally better. How'd that happen, anyway? Gonna blame Barney Frank, or what?

Amazing what passes for thought among the faithful neocon believers on the right fringe...

Kill for Peace! It's the only way.
 
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/06/18/afghanistan.us.taliban/index.html



You must be fucking kidding me. After probably a trillion dollars and this many lives, the US goes back an starts negotiating with the Taliban. What kinda harebrained State dept dumbass came up with this idea.

It's a fucking disgrace, the US is asking child rapists and torturers of young women who do not even recognise basic human rights among the people the LIKE for help in a nation where terrorists are still roaming free...

The most powerful nation on earth is a lapdog to the Taliban now? Fucking pathetic.

Of course, it's not true at all, i just wanted to make the argument. :D
 
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We should have left that "country" when we failed to support the attack on Tora Bora. Our forces ought be in Pakistan. Not in Afghanistan.

As much as you read the news and think that you know sheit about it, you don't.

Is that fucking clear?

Well then, if Afghanistan wouldn't have been left with 16k soldiers in camp as we WERE to fucking have Al Q and the Taliban eradicated with proper air force and targeting this would not have even been a discussion we would have to have.

See, the Al Q and the Taliban were driven to the border and into the mountains, we had them pegged, several special teams targeting them and surgical strikes blowing up compounds per the FUCKING DAY and then... Oh, Al Q and the Taliban are not important, Iraq is such a hot zone even the TFB is needed to go in first yet again and we will leave NO ONE to pursue the Taliban or Al Quaeda, we will also remove all air force support to keep those we leave there in camp without support...

If this had been done right, the WOT would have been over and Pakistan wouldn't have Al Quaeda members anywhere, nor would Iraq or Egypt, we put them there by deliberation so the war wouldn't end as quick as Kosovo did.

Yet pathetic idiots are still pushing shit they know nothing about...
 

a777pilot

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Given that we couldn't subdue a nation of 24M, let's just attack 162M in a neighboring country. Brilliant. Maybe that's because resources were diverted to the real prize, Iraq, where we've fared only marginally better. How'd that happen, anyway? Gonna blame Barney Frank, or what?

Amazing what passes for thought among the faithful neocon believers on the right fringe...

Kill for Peace! It's the only way.

Did I say "attack"? Did I anywhere say fucking attack. Why don't you learn to read. Then maybe you can join the discussion.
 

a777pilot

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As much as you read the news and think that you know sheit about it, you don't.

Is that fucking clear?

Well then, if Afghanistan wouldn't have been left with 16k soldiers in camp as we WERE to fucking have Al Q and the Taliban eradicated with proper air force and targeting this would not have even been a discussion we would have to have.

See, the Al Q and the Taliban were driven to the border and into the mountains, we had them pegged, several special teams targeting them and surgical strikes blowing up compounds per the FUCKING DAY and then... Oh, Al Q and the Taliban are not important, Iraq is such a hot zone even the TFB is needed to go in first yet again and we will leave NO ONE to pursue the Taliban or Al Quaeda, we will also remove all air force support to keep those we leave there in camp without support...

If this had been done right, the WOT would have been over and Pakistan wouldn't have Al Quaeda members anywhere, nor would Iraq or Egypt, we put them there by deliberation so the war wouldn't end as quick as Kosovo did.

Yet pathetic idiots are still pushing shit they know nothing about...

I know more about it than you.
 

Craig234

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Good, let's get our boys home.

Maybe that's why Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize - takes a Democratic President to get Republicans to oppose war.

Oh, the DEMOCRAT is leading the war?

NO BLOOD FOR OIL! GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!
 
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Good, let's get our boys home.

I disagree, an increased effort would help though, if not then fuckit.

Just realise that it was all for absolutely nothing, Al Queda has never been as spread out and as strong and Al Zawahiri is just as much of a leader as Bin Ladin was.

At this point, we ventured very little and gained very little, the complete withdrawal from one area could be used to support another, and Pakistan can try to resist but their choice is compliance or war, at times like these i miss a leader figure like we had in Kosovo.
 

Doppel

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Just realise that it was all for absolutely nothing
That's the impression I have also. The last decade has cost money and lives and I cannot qualify a benefit to it.
 

rudder

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You must be fucking kidding me. After probably a trillion dollars and this many lives, the US goes back an starts negotiating with the Taliban. What kinda harebrained State dept dumbass came up with this idea.

The goal was never to destroy the taliban... it was to go after Al-qaeda (who were harbored by the taliban at the time) and help Afghanistan build a new government. Routing the taliban at the time was a means to the end.

Afghanistan is not... nor will they ever be able to govern themselves outside the large cities... corruption, warlords, etc will always be in charge.

The only way to withdraw from afghanistan is to make sure the taliban doesn't destroy what little government control there is there.
 
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The goal was never to destroy the taliban... it was to go after Al-qaeda (who were harbored by the taliban at the time) and help Afghanistan build a new government. Routing the taliban at the time was a means to the end.

Afghanistan is not... nor will they ever be able to govern themselves outside the large cities... corruption, warlords, etc will always be in charge.

The only way to withdraw from afghanistan is to make sure the taliban doesn't destroy what little government control there is there.

You'd think the ones sent in first would know better than some random idiot on the internet but oh, i suppose you know better?

The Taliban were the protectors of Al Quaeda, when they refused to give them up (READ MOTHERFUCKER, READ THE ORIG DOCS) we went to war with the Taliban, not Al Queda, THE FUCKING TALIBAN.

Now, i'm sure you are going to forever find some thought in your head to make up shit and wrap yourself in blankets while shouting USA YEAAAAHHH but in reality, the US gave up the WOT to prolong it indefinently, i'm not going to tell you it's a big conspiracy because i don't think it is, i don't think GW actually thought it would come to this, i think he actually thought that it would be a walk in the park and that he purpously invaded Iraq and removed troops from Afghanistan to prolong the WOT in an effort to get reelected.

Now looking back, he was successfull, the US was chicken shit scared and GW had the solution for the enemy that had WMD's and would launch a nuclear attack very soon if he didn't stop them.

I don't know if you partook of what was said during that time but that was EXACTLY what was said.

Now you want to forget it, i don't blame you at all, i'd be ashamed too.
 

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I agree. i think the military was fighting CIA agents personally. That's the kind of sick shit government does. Muslims actually executed the bombing in OKC, but they were more than likely employed by the govt.
 
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I agree. i think the military was fighting CIA agents personally. That's the kind of sick shit government does. Muslims actually executed the bombing in OKC, but they were more than likely employed by the govt.

KyleJewISWOE and AnarchistGOLD are agreeing, how come the forum didn't implode?

Now it wasn't even Tim, it was Jews...

YAY Nazi forum!
 

Acanthus

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It's sad really, because if Afghanistan would stabilize those fuckers could be a first world nation.

There's FIFTY TRILLION DOLLARS worth of precious and industrial metals in those mountains in the east.
 

JSt0rm

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It's sad really, because if Afghanistan would stabilize those fuckers could be a first world nation.

There's FIFTY TRILLION DOLLARS worth of precious and industrial metals in those mountains in the east.

it will still be there in 200 years when they get their collective heads out of the sand.
 

Lemon law

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A few things to say.

1. This not the first time the US State Dept has negotiated with an enemy, Nixon did in Vietnam and it at least allow the US to salvage something from a basic total loss in Vietnam.

2. Historically the Taliban was the only force strong enough and vicious enough to stand up to Afghan war lords and drug dealers. What was basically proved after the Russians left is that the Afghan people preferred the Taliban to war lord and drug dealers that thrived in Anarchy. Then 911 came along due to Al-Quida, Nato was powerless to do much of anything about Al-Quida, so somehow in some weird mission creep, Nato decided to try to eliminate the Taliban instead. Coming in most of the Afghan people had hoped that Nato would be that third better choice, superior to war lords and drug runners, superior to the crazy ideas of the Taliban, because the USA would eliminate the anarchy needed by war lords and drug runners, eliminate the ability of the Taliban to impose their crazy ideas on a terrified population, a good basic plan that should have worked. Except we sentway way too few troops to even give the Nato plan a chance to work, and now the Nato, the drug dealers, and the Afghan war lord are all in bed together spreading anarchy where ever they go. As Nato somehow manages to take second prize in a beauty contest with the Taliban. Of course Nato can decide to win at anytime, all its going to take is some 400,000 more troops and the building of Afghan infrastructure. I can respect soldiers like JOS for trying, but they totally lack the resources need even start trying to win. So they resort to ever bigger and more indiscriminate weapons, that just anger the Afghan people even more than before.

3. The Taliban is a local group and able to get popular support in only Afghanistan and the Tribal areas in Pakistan. Every where else their ideas won't sell. And as rotten as they were and still are, they are still a better alternative to drug runners, war lords, and anarchy.

4. Al-Quida on the other hand is a pure terrorist organization not in any way tied to any given country. And they will take shelter any where there is anarchy. Worse yet they are serious bad news to the local people anywhere they take shelter, because their objectives are furthered by getting everyone in the country at each others throat.

5. Almost every time there is an insurgency, the home team will win against the foreign force unless the foreign force is far more popular. We learned that lesson in Vietnam and we are now learning it in Afghanistan. My guess is that our best US hope is in a negotiated settlement with the Taliban, at least there is the hope we can salvage some human rights for people in Afghanistan. Once there is peace, and the modern development that will inevitably follow, its the Taliban itself who will modify their wacky and reactionary ideas just given some time.
Meanwhile Afghanistan will be a pretty bad place but still better than what we have now.

6. Of course if we don't like alternative 5, we can pony up the money and 400,000 extra Nato troops.