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US home prices tumble record 4.1% in July

Zebo

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d9b8e536-e90d-11e0-ac9c-00144feab49a.html?ftcamp=rss

I don't see this trend reversing with increasing falling incomes since incomes makes monthly payments and payments set price. 2 Trillion in stimulus a year, or about 12% of GDP, and the accounting rules banks can use to hold property instead liquidating is masking the true depressed value as well.

My dad tried to get me to invest in Florida high rise condos last year when you could pick them up for 40-50k ea with some pretty convincing reasons such as boomers hitting retirement age, loving FL and having fixed "guaranteed" income thus would turn things around when they flocked there. I'm glad I followed the news and events surrounding the continued crash since you can get them now for 30-40K. Why? because you have to be willing to sell your current home at a significant loss to move (if you already don't have a reverse mortgage on it which many seniors fell victim to) seniors arnt going anywhere.
 
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d9b8e536-e90d-11e0-ac9c-00144feab49a.html?ftcamp=rss

I don't see this trend reversing with increasing falling incomes since incomes makes monthly payments and payments set price. 2 Trillion in stimulus a year, or about 12% of GDP, and the accounting rules banks can use to hold property instead liquidating is masking the true depressed value as well.

My dad tried to get me to invest in Florida high rise condos last year when you could pick them up for 40-50k ea with some pretty convincing reasons such as boomers hitting retirement age, loving FL and having fixed "guaranteed" income thus would turn things around when they flocked there. I'm glad I followed the news and events surrounding the continued crash since you can get them now for 30-40K.

None if this is going to stabilize until all the toxic debt is gone and the housing prices stabilize. Who the hell wants to invest in a house when there apparently is no bottom in sight.
 
The rest of the foreclosures still need to get out of the market. Home prices are still significantly over valued since what propelled their prices was cheap credit that shouldn't have been give out in the first place.
 
Yep. This is the time of a century to buy a house. Record low rates, record high number of desperate sellers and prices low. Trifecta of perfection. Buy, buy, buy.
 
Yep. This is the time of a century to buy a house. Record low rates, record high number of desperate sellers and prices low. Trifecta of perfection. Buy, buy, buy.

Please buy mine, was on the market for a year. At least its rented now. 🙂
 
No chance of this turning around until at least Nov 2012 ... Depending on what happens then, we might start heading in the right direction.
 
no economic stability until the obama is gone. Get used to it.

LMAO

Take a look at the stability when the Republicans were running the show


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This is one of the main reasons of the housing bubble was all the derivative speculation in the housing market.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_United_States_housing_bubble
 
Yep. This is the time of a century to buy a house. Record low rates, record high number of desperate sellers and prices low. Trifecta of perfection. Buy, buy, buy.

People keep saying this and prices keep falling. It's the time of the century to rent. If you live in an area with no rent controls and ridiculous rental prices it's time to move.
 
None if this is going to stabilize until all the toxic debt is gone and the housing prices stabilize. Who the hell wants to invest in a house when there apparently is no bottom in sight.

Because you have to pay to live somewhere, and in many places its cheaper to buy than to rent. Not to mention tax bennies, freedom, etc. And nearly free money.
 
People keep saying this and prices keep falling. It's the time of the century to rent. If you live in an area with no rent controls and ridiculous rental prices it's time to move.

Renting would be a terrible idea right now. With the rates so low you can get 4-5 times the place you would rent for the same money.

300k house, 20% down, 4% loan = principle and interest payment of 1146 with a whopping 30%+ of that going straight to principle on month one. I don't think you understand just how incredible this time is to buy, it's the perfect storm for opportunity and wealth building.
 
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You, sir, need to watch The Fall of the Republic. (I know you wont, but just saying).

It looks like they are placing the entire blame for the Financial fiasco on the Obama Administration?

One thing I do not understand is why President Obama appointed most of the cronies who perpetrated this whole mess to his Economic team. In light of that fact, it also baffles me why they consider him Business unfriendly.
 
Good read that really lays out in detail the events just in the last 10+ years that lead to the financial crisis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007-2009#Deregulation

Deregulation

Further information: Government policies and the subprime mortgage crisis
Critics such as economist Paul Krugman and U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner have argued that the regulatory framework did not keep pace with financial innovation, such as the increasing importance of the shadow banking system, derivatives and off-balance sheet financing. In other cases, laws were changed or enforcement weakened in parts of the financial system. Key examples include:

Jimmy Carter's Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act of 1980 (DIDMCA) phased out a number of restrictions on banks' financial practices, broadened their lending powers, and raised the deposit insurance limit from $40,000 to $100,000 (raising the problem of moral hazard).[75] Banks rushed into real estate lending, speculative lending, and other ventures just as the economy soured.[citation needed]

In October 1982, U.S. President Ronald Reagan signed into Law the Garn–St. Germain Depository Institutions Act, which provided for adjustable-rate mortgage loans, began the process of banking deregulation,[citation needed] and contributed to the savings and loan crisis of the late 1980s/early 1990s.[76]
In November 1999, U.S. President Bill Clinton signed into Law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed part of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933. This repeal has been criticized for reducing the separation between commercial banks (which traditionally had fiscally conservative policies) and investment banks (which had a more risk-taking culture).[77][78]

In 2004, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission relaxed the net capital rule, which enabled investment banks to substantially increase the level of debt they were taking on, fueling the growth in mortgage-backed securities supporting subprime mortgages. The SEC has conceded that self-regulation of investment banks contributed to the crisis.[79][80]

Financial institutions in the shadow banking system are not subject to the same regulation as depository banks, allowing them to assume additional debt obligations relative to their financial cushion or capital base.[81] This was the case despite the Long-Term Capital Management debacle in 1998, where a highly-leveraged shadow institution failed with systemic implications.
Regulators and accounting standard-setters allowed depository banks such as Citigroup to move significant amounts of assets and liabilities off-balance sheet into complex legal entities called structured investment vehicles, masking the weakness of the capital base of the firm or degree of leverage or risk taken. One news agency estimated that the top four U.S. banks will have to return between $500 billion and $1 trillion to their balance sheets during 2009.[82] This increased uncertainty during the crisis regarding the financial position of the major banks.[83] Off-balance sheet entities were also used by Enron as part of the scandal that brought down that company in 2001.[84]

As early as 1997, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan fought to keep the derivatives market unregulated.[85] With the advice of the President's Working Group on Financial Markets,[86] the U.S. Congress and President allowed the self-regulation of the over-the-counter derivatives market when they enacted the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. Derivatives such as credit default swaps (CDS) can be used to hedge or speculate against particular credit risks. The volume of CDS outstanding increased 100-fold from 1998 to 2008, with estimates of the debt covered by CDS contracts, as of November 2008, ranging from US$33 to $47 trillion. Total over-the-counter (OTC) derivative notional value rose to $683 trillion by June 2008.[87] Warren Buffett famously referred to derivatives as "financial weapons of mass destruction" in early 2003.[88][89]
 
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It looks like they are placing the entire blame for the Financial fiasco on the Obama Administration?

One thing I do not understand is why President Obama appointed most of the cronies who perpetrated this whole mess to his Economic team. In light of that fact, it also baffles me why they consider him Business unfriendly.

No, they are not. You didnt watch the whole thing in that short of time.
 
Prices didn't fall 4.1% in July, they have fallen 4.1% on a non-seasonally adjusted rate over the last 12 months as of July. This is not a record, they fell almost 19% in 2009 YOY with increases in 2010.

In fact out of the 20 MSAs in the 20 composite (non seasonally adjusted), only 3 failed to show appreciation (PHX, Dnvr, Vegas) with the overall 20 and composite showing a 0.60% appreciation. Every other city posted gains, some of them large (detroit at 2.1% MOM, Washington@1.7%, MPLS@1.7%). On a seasonally adjusted basis the composite 20 showed gains while the overall composite did not. On an SA basis 11 out of the 20 showed depreciation.

Not sure if the FT layed that out but if they didn't they really have no understanding of the C/S index.
 
Renting would be a terrible idea right now. With the rates so low you can get 4-5 times the place you would rent for the same money.

300k house, 20% down, 4% loan = principle and interest payment of 1146 with a whopping 30%+ of that going straight to principle on month one. I don't think you understand just how incredible this time is to buy, it's the perfect storm for opportunity and wealth building.

$300K house that drops to $250K. You have to simply do the math on whether that is worth it. To me it's not.

I'm assuming that prices are going to drop further. You aren't. I'm not willing to risk it.

Only buy if you plan on living there for a long time. Everyone I know is currently sitting on a house that's worth less than what they bought it for if they bought after about 2002.
 
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