US guards 'filmed beatings' at terror camp

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: ShinX
whew , saved my head

Yes, but not your argument.

 

[ShinX]

.......... ok i lost the argument , now hop on over to the Cuban anti bush demonstration thread i started

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: ShinX
hey stfu i didnt insult you . you happen to have misunderstood me . CORRUPT MILITARY PPL and INSANE TERRORISTS. read before you open ur hole. i want the troops back here just as much as anyone , no one deserves to suffer the pain of fighting for bush.

this is what you wrote: " i'm not surprised , you think ppl in the military are sane like you and i ?"

Those are your words, i suggest you apologize.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: ShinX
i'm not surprised , you think ppl in the military are sane like you and i ? just take a look at some of the women in the military ,they have more testosterone than some of the men . And they are unstable in the head to boot. No one in the military is in the right state of mind , it is an aggression farm so they'll have to take it out on someone. and who's better to take it out on than the enemy ? (bush) i bet you'll see plenty more of this prisoner abuse in the upcoming future.

You stand up and dirty the name the community of people who are the very reason you are living in a free country. You are an ungrateful prick.

How are people fighting in Iraq allowing us to live in a free country? Just wondering.

Personally, I think all of society works together to allow itself to be free. A lot of soldiers are nothing but grunts. Almost anyone can be a soldier. They can't do anything without the engineer to design their weapons and systems. A lot fewer people can be an engineer than a soldier. Where would the engineer be without doctors? etc.

People put soldiers, police officers, teachers, and other occupations on pillars and worship them. I certainly don't.

He generalized (no specifics about Iraq), you know, like you usually do.

Almost anyone can be a soldier? so i assume you are one, since you know so much about it. People who risk their lifes so that you don't have to, and you do not respect them, thankfully, there are few of your kind too.

No, I'm not one. Yes, almost anyone can be one. It doesn't have high requirements to be in the armed forces.

It's a lot easier to be a run-of-the-mill soldier than a doctor, engineer, lawyer, etc.

I don't give anyone automatic respect. Unlike some people here, I don't worship soldiers, police officers, firemen, teachers, etc. I think the average engineer or doctor serves his country & society much more and better than the average soldier.

A blind man could tell that you don't have what it takes. I think that anyone who put his life on the line so that you do not have to should be commended, it is the ultimate sacrifice, i am sure that somewhere deep inside your thick head you get that too. If you don't, then you are not fit to join.

 

[ShinX]

ok i apologize for generalizing the military by accident

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: ShinX
ok i apologize for generalizing the military by accident

Your apology is accepted by me.

(i am not a US soldier though, but a NATO soldier)

 

[ShinX]

cool

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: ShinX
i'm not surprised , you think ppl in the military are sane like you and i ? just take a look at some of the women in the military ,they have more testosterone than some of the men . And they are unstable in the head to boot. No one in the military is in the right state of mind , it is an aggression farm so they'll have to take it out on someone. and who's better to take it out on than the enemy ? (bush) i bet you'll see plenty more of this prisoner abuse in the upcoming future.

You stand up and dirty the name the community of people who are the very reason you are living in a free country. You are an ungrateful prick.

How are people fighting in Iraq allowing us to live in a free country? Just wondering.

Personally, I think all of society works together to allow itself to be free. A lot of soldiers are nothing but grunts. Almost anyone can be a soldier. They can't do anything without the engineer to design their weapons and systems. A lot fewer people can be an engineer than a soldier. Where would the engineer be without doctors? etc.

People put soldiers, police officers, teachers, and other occupations on pillars and worship them. I certainly don't.

He generalized (no specifics about Iraq), you know, like you usually do.

Almost anyone can be a soldier? so i assume you are one, since you know so much about it. People who risk their lifes so that you don't have to, and you do not respect them, thankfully, there are few of your kind too.

No, I'm not one. Yes, almost anyone can be one. It doesn't have high requirements to be in the armed forces.

It's a lot easier to be a run-of-the-mill soldier than a doctor, engineer, lawyer, etc.

I don't give anyone automatic respect. Unlike some people here, I don't worship soldiers, police officers, firemen, teachers, etc. I think the average engineer or doctor serves his country & society much more and better than the average soldier.

A blind man could tell that you don't have what it takes. I think that anyone who put his life on the line so that you do not have to should be commended, it is the ultimate sacrifice, i am sure that somewhere deep inside your thick head you get that too. If you don't, then you are not fit to join.

Then I guess it's obvious that you don't have what it takes to use your mind if you think like that. I think people who sacrifice years of their lives, push themselves through education, and make society better constantly do more for this world and society. What is a soldier in Iraq doing? It's not keeping people in the US safe, nor is it improving our society. It may be improving Iraqi society and that's a big maybe. The grunt soldiers do generic work, it's nothing special.

Pick someone off the street. Chances are that he can do the physical labor of the average soldier. Chances are he doesn't have the dedication and smarts to be a doctor.

I'm not insulting soldiers, but I'm not worshipping them either. People just have some strange romantic notion about soldiers. They're not automatic heroes in my eyes. I'm not going to be a zombie.

 

[ShinX]

wow , how long did it take to quote all of that ??

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: ShinX
wow , how long did it take to quote all of that ??

Huh? Are you talking about those nested quotes? If so, 1 second, just click on the "Quote" button.

 

[ShinX]

doh , i dont usually mass quote (newb @ quoting)

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: ShinX
i'm not surprised , you think ppl in the military are sane like you and i ? just take a look at some of the women in the military ,they have more testosterone than some of the men . And they are unstable in the head to boot. No one in the military is in the right state of mind , it is an aggression farm so they'll have to take it out on someone. and who's better to take it out on than the enemy ? (bush) i bet you'll see plenty more of this prisoner abuse in the upcoming future.

You stand up and dirty the name the community of people who are the very reason you are living in a free country. You are an ungrateful prick.

How are people fighting in Iraq allowing us to live in a free country? Just wondering.

Personally, I think all of society works together to allow itself to be free. A lot of soldiers are nothing but grunts. Almost anyone can be a soldier. They can't do anything without the engineer to design their weapons and systems. A lot fewer people can be an engineer than a soldier. Where would the engineer be without doctors? etc.

People put soldiers, police officers, teachers, and other occupations on pillars and worship them. I certainly don't.

He generalized (no specifics about Iraq), you know, like you usually do.

Almost anyone can be a soldier? so i assume you are one, since you know so much about it. People who risk their lifes so that you don't have to, and you do not respect them, thankfully, there are few of your kind too.

No, I'm not one. Yes, almost anyone can be one. It doesn't have high requirements to be in the armed forces.

It's a lot easier to be a run-of-the-mill soldier than a doctor, engineer, lawyer, etc.

I don't give anyone automatic respect. Unlike some people here, I don't worship soldiers, police officers, firemen, teachers, etc. I think the average engineer or doctor serves his country & society much more and better than the average soldier.

A blind man could tell that you don't have what it takes. I think that anyone who put his life on the line so that you do not have to should be commended, it is the ultimate sacrifice, i am sure that somewhere deep inside your thick head you get that too. If you don't, then you are not fit to join.

Then I guess it's obvious that you don't have what it takes to use your mind if you think like that. I think people who sacrifice years of their lives, push themselves through education, and make society better constantly do more for this world and society. What is a soldier in Iraq doing? It's not keeping people in the US safe, nor is it improving our society. It may be improving Iraqi society and that's a big maybe. The grunt soldiers do generic work, it's nothing special.

Pick someone off the street. Chances are that he can do the physical labor of the average soldier. Chances are he doesn't have the dedication and smarts to be a doctor.

I'm not insulting soldiers, but I'm not worshipping them either. People just have some strange romantic notion about soldiers. They're not automatic heroes in my eyes. I'm not going to be a zombie.

What did i do as a soldier in Afghanistan? I think my nation refused to go to Iraq, so don't involve me in that mess.

The point is, if the US were attacked i would fight for your country and you would run. That is what makes me a soldier and you just another scared individual, hope it never happens though, i doubt mexico would accept you, considering that you do not view human beings as all being equal.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
The point is, if the US were attacked i would fight for your country and you would run. That is what makes me a soldier and you just another scared individual, hope it never happens though, i doubt mexico would accept you, considering that you do not view human beings as all being equal.

I agree, except when I was a soldier in combat, I was a scared individual too. Whoever says they were in combat and was not scared is lying (not directed at you, just a bad choice of words).


CanO Worms
Sure, doctors save lives, but I wonder when the last time was that a doctor risked his life to save yours? You think an army isn't doing anything for society? If there were no army, there would be no goddamn society.
Yes, alot of people on the street can be soldiers. BUT THEY ARE NOT. Therefore, the one's WHO ARE get my utmost respect, and they deserve yours too. They are protecting this country and they are protecting that doctors right to practice as a free man.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: ShinX
i'm not surprised , you think ppl in the military are sane like you and i ? just take a look at some of the women in the military ,they have more testosterone than some of the men . And they are unstable in the head to boot. No one in the military is in the right state of mind , it is an aggression farm so they'll have to take it out on someone. and who's better to take it out on than the enemy ? (bush) i bet you'll see plenty more of this prisoner abuse in the upcoming future.

You stand up and dirty the name the community of people who are the very reason you are living in a free country. You are an ungrateful prick.

How are people fighting in Iraq allowing us to live in a free country? Just wondering.

Personally, I think all of society works together to allow itself to be free. A lot of soldiers are nothing but grunts. Almost anyone can be a soldier. They can't do anything without the engineer to design their weapons and systems. A lot fewer people can be an engineer than a soldier. Where would the engineer be without doctors? etc.

People put soldiers, police officers, teachers, and other occupations on pillars and worship them. I certainly don't.

He generalized (no specifics about Iraq), you know, like you usually do.

Almost anyone can be a soldier? so i assume you are one, since you know so much about it. People who risk their lifes so that you don't have to, and you do not respect them, thankfully, there are few of your kind too.

No, I'm not one. Yes, almost anyone can be one. It doesn't have high requirements to be in the armed forces.

It's a lot easier to be a run-of-the-mill soldier than a doctor, engineer, lawyer, etc.

I don't give anyone automatic respect. Unlike some people here, I don't worship soldiers, police officers, firemen, teachers, etc. I think the average engineer or doctor serves his country & society much more and better than the average soldier.

A blind man could tell that you don't have what it takes. I think that anyone who put his life on the line so that you do not have to should be commended, it is the ultimate sacrifice, i am sure that somewhere deep inside your thick head you get that too. If you don't, then you are not fit to join.

Then I guess it's obvious that you don't have what it takes to use your mind if you think like that. I think people who sacrifice years of their lives, push themselves through education, and make society better constantly do more for this world and society. What is a soldier in Iraq doing? It's not keeping people in the US safe, nor is it improving our society. It may be improving Iraqi society and that's a big maybe. The grunt soldiers do generic work, it's nothing special.

Pick someone off the street. Chances are that he can do the physical labor of the average soldier. Chances are he doesn't have the dedication and smarts to be a doctor.

I'm not insulting soldiers, but I'm not worshipping them either. People just have some strange romantic notion about soldiers. They're not automatic heroes in my eyes. I'm not going to be a zombie.

What did i do as a soldier in Afghanistan? I think my nation refused to go to Iraq, so don't involve me in that mess.

The point is, if the US were attacked i would fight for your country and you would run. That is what makes me a soldier and you just another scared individual, hope it never happens though, i doubt mexico would accept you, considering that you do not view human beings as all being equal.

What you did is not relevant (if it's even true). My message is not dedicated to you either.

If the US was attacked, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Americans would fight, including myself.

Again, I think the people that are most useful to society and country and world are not the grunts that fight but the people who develop technology and save lives. That's more important to this country in my opinion, unless we're being immediately attacked, but then you still need these people.

I like how you act. It's pretty funny to see someone trying to actively pretend he's something special. Maybe you're insecure in yourself and have to convince yourself and others that you're special. In reality, you're probably nothing but a 15 year old skinhead Nazi who thinks it would be cool to have a soldier online persona and pretend to be a big man while spouting off ethnic hatred. Even if you truly are a soldier, it doesn't give you an excuse or a shield to hide behind.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Klixxer
The point is, if the US were attacked i would fight for your country and you would run. That is what makes me a soldier and you just another scared individual, hope it never happens though, i doubt mexico would accept you, considering that you do not view human beings as all being equal.

I agree, except when I was a soldier in combat, I was a scared individual too. Whoever says they were in combat and was not scared is lying (not directed at you, just a bad choice of words).


CanO Worms
Sure, doctors save lives, but I wonder when the last time was that a doctor risked his life to save yours? You think an army isn't doing anything for society? If there were no army, there would be no goddamn society.
Yes, alot of people on the street can be soldiers. BUT THEY ARE NOT. Therefore, the one's WHO ARE get my utmost respect, and they deserve yours too. They are protecting this country and they are protecting that doctors right to practice as a free man.

I don't think they do nothing for society. I said everyone contributes. Without the scientist or engineer, those soldiers would be fighting with sticks and rocks.

I think a doctor, scientist, engineer, etc. has more importance to this country than the average soldier. They advance our society in peacetime and in war, and have a more impact on our society. I realize it's probably not a popular view, but like I said, I don't hold some romantic vision like others do.

How is someone fighting in Iraq fighting for me and my society?

I'm just saying it goes both ways and that I don't put them on a special pedestal.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Klixxer
The point is, if the US were attacked i would fight for your country and you would run. That is what makes me a soldier and you just another scared individual, hope it never happens though, i doubt mexico would accept you, considering that you do not view human beings as all being equal.

I agree, except when I was a soldier in combat, I was a scared individual too. Whoever says they were in combat and was not scared is lying (not directed at you, just a bad choice of words).


CanO Worms
Sure, doctors save lives, but I wonder when the last time was that a doctor risked his life to save yours? You think an army isn't doing anything for society? If there were no army, there would be no goddamn society.
Yes, alot of people on the street can be soldiers. BUT THEY ARE NOT. Therefore, the one's WHO ARE get my utmost respect, and they deserve yours too. They are protecting this country and they are protecting that doctors right to practice as a free man.

Of course you are correct, i was scared sh!tless when i was in combat. That was not my point though, my point was that he would have fled to wherever he could go and i would have fought for his freedom.

Other than that, nice post, all that you said is true.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Klixxer
The point is, if the US were attacked i would fight for your country and you would run. That is what makes me a soldier and you just another scared individual, hope it never happens though, i doubt mexico would accept you, considering that you do not view human beings as all being equal.

I agree, except when I was a soldier in combat, I was a scared individual too. Whoever says they were in combat and was not scared is lying (not directed at you, just a bad choice of words).


CanO Worms
Sure, doctors save lives, but I wonder when the last time was that a doctor risked his life to save yours? You think an army isn't doing anything for society? If there were no army, there would be no goddamn society.
Yes, alot of people on the street can be soldiers. BUT THEY ARE NOT. Therefore, the one's WHO ARE get my utmost respect, and they deserve yours too. They are protecting this country and they are protecting that doctors right to practice as a free man.

Of course you are correct, i was scared sh!tless when i was in combat. That was not my point though, my point was that he would have fled to wherever he could go and i would have fought for his freedom.

Other than that, nice post, all that you said is true.

I doubt you would fight for my freedom because I'm of an incorrect ethnicity to you.

Anyways, if you think the only way society and the world can be better is through violence, then I pity you.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Klixxer
The point is, if the US were attacked i would fight for your country and you would run. That is what makes me a soldier and you just another scared individual, hope it never happens though, i doubt mexico would accept you, considering that you do not view human beings as all being equal.

I agree, except when I was a soldier in combat, I was a scared individual too. Whoever says they were in combat and was not scared is lying (not directed at you, just a bad choice of words).


CanO Worms
Sure, doctors save lives, but I wonder when the last time was that a doctor risked his life to save yours? You think an army isn't doing anything for society? If there were no army, there would be no goddamn society.
Yes, alot of people on the street can be soldiers. BUT THEY ARE NOT. Therefore, the one's WHO ARE get my utmost respect, and they deserve yours too. They are protecting this country and they are protecting that doctors right to practice as a free man.

I don't think they do nothing for society. I said everyone contributes. Without the scientist or engineer, those soldiers would be fighting with sticks and rocks.

I think a doctor, scientist, engineer, etc. has more importance to this country than the average soldier. They advance our society in peacetime and in war, and have a more impact on our society. I realize it's probably not a popular view, but like I said, I don't hold some romantic vision like others do.

How is someone fighting in Iraq fighting for me and my society?

I'm just saying it goes both ways and that I don't put them on a special pedestal.

Yet we put our lives on the line for the likes of you. No need to thank anyone for that though, eh? If not for us and people like us you would not be able to argue with me.

People do not enjoy their freedom until it is taken from them.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Klixxer
The point is, if the US were attacked i would fight for your country and you would run. That is what makes me a soldier and you just another scared individual, hope it never happens though, i doubt mexico would accept you, considering that you do not view human beings as all being equal.

I agree, except when I was a soldier in combat, I was a scared individual too. Whoever says they were in combat and was not scared is lying (not directed at you, just a bad choice of words).


CanO Worms
Sure, doctors save lives, but I wonder when the last time was that a doctor risked his life to save yours? You think an army isn't doing anything for society? If there were no army, there would be no goddamn society.
Yes, alot of people on the street can be soldiers. BUT THEY ARE NOT. Therefore, the one's WHO ARE get my utmost respect, and they deserve yours too. They are protecting this country and they are protecting that doctors right to practice as a free man.

I don't think they do nothing for society. I said everyone contributes. Without the scientist or engineer, those soldiers would be fighting with sticks and rocks.

Sure, without the scientist and engineer they wouldn't have the tools they need, but without the soldier we wouldn't have the scientist and engineer, another country would.

I think a doctor, scientist, engineer, etc. has more importance to this country than the average soldier. They advance our society in peacetime and in war, and have a more impact on our society. I realize it's probably not a popular view, but like I said, I don't hold some romantic vision like others do.

It's not a romantic vision, it's the flat out truth. Sure, you may not see soldiers advancing "society" every day like you do see doctors etc, but like I said before, without soldiers we would not have a society!

How is someone fighting in Iraq fighting for me and my society?

Who mentioned Iraq?

I'm just saying it goes both ways and that I don't put them on a special pedestal.

Maybe you should.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Klixxer
The point is, if the US were attacked i would fight for your country and you would run. That is what makes me a soldier and you just another scared individual, hope it never happens though, i doubt mexico would accept you, considering that you do not view human beings as all being equal.

I agree, except when I was a soldier in combat, I was a scared individual too. Whoever says they were in combat and was not scared is lying (not directed at you, just a bad choice of words).


CanO Worms
Sure, doctors save lives, but I wonder when the last time was that a doctor risked his life to save yours? You think an army isn't doing anything for society? If there were no army, there would be no goddamn society.
Yes, alot of people on the street can be soldiers. BUT THEY ARE NOT. Therefore, the one's WHO ARE get my utmost respect, and they deserve yours too. They are protecting this country and they are protecting that doctors right to practice as a free man.

Of course you are correct, i was scared sh!tless when i was in combat. That was not my point though, my point was that he would have fled to wherever he could go and i would have fought for his freedom.

Other than that, nice post, all that you said is true.

I doubt you would fight for my freedom because I'm of an incorrect ethnicity to you.

Anyways, if you think the only way society and the world can be better is through violence, then I pity you.

I belong to the NATO, and yes, i have fought for an attack on your country, didn't see you around though, perhaps you were to busy trying to tell people how they are not equal to you?

Unfortunanly we all live in a society that faces evil and violence, turning your back on it does not make it go away, open your eyes.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Klixxer
The point is, if the US were attacked i would fight for your country and you would run. That is what makes me a soldier and you just another scared individual, hope it never happens though, i doubt mexico would accept you, considering that you do not view human beings as all being equal.

I agree, except when I was a soldier in combat, I was a scared individual too. Whoever says they were in combat and was not scared is lying (not directed at you, just a bad choice of words).


CanO Worms
Sure, doctors save lives, but I wonder when the last time was that a doctor risked his life to save yours? You think an army isn't doing anything for society? If there were no army, there would be no goddamn society.
Yes, alot of people on the street can be soldiers. BUT THEY ARE NOT. Therefore, the one's WHO ARE get my utmost respect, and they deserve yours too. They are protecting this country and they are protecting that doctors right to practice as a free man.

I don't think they do nothing for society. I said everyone contributes. Without the scientist or engineer, those soldiers would be fighting with sticks and rocks.

I think a doctor, scientist, engineer, etc. has more importance to this country than the average soldier. They advance our society in peacetime and in war, and have a more impact on our society. I realize it's probably not a popular view, but like I said, I don't hold some romantic vision like others do.

How is someone fighting in Iraq fighting for me and my society?

I'm just saying it goes both ways and that I don't put them on a special pedestal.

Yet we put our lives on the line for the likes of you. No need to thank anyone for that though, eh? If not for us and people like us you would not be able to argue with me.

People do not enjoy their freedom until it is taken from them.

I guess without people like me, you would be living in the stone age then fighting with rocks and sticks.

I'm not saying they're disgusting or horrible or anything. I'm just saying that I don't worship them or put them up on a high pedestal nor does it give them a shield to hide behind. I think there are people that contribute much more to society and the world. If that means I'm degrading soldiers, then that's that. I don't think I said that, but if you want to believe that, it's ok.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Klixxer
The point is, if the US were attacked i would fight for your country and you would run. That is what makes me a soldier and you just another scared individual, hope it never happens though, i doubt mexico would accept you, considering that you do not view human beings as all being equal.

I agree, except when I was a soldier in combat, I was a scared individual too. Whoever says they were in combat and was not scared is lying (not directed at you, just a bad choice of words).


CanO Worms
Sure, doctors save lives, but I wonder when the last time was that a doctor risked his life to save yours? You think an army isn't doing anything for society? If there were no army, there would be no goddamn society.
Yes, alot of people on the street can be soldiers. BUT THEY ARE NOT. Therefore, the one's WHO ARE get my utmost respect, and they deserve yours too. They are protecting this country and they are protecting that doctors right to practice as a free man.

I don't think they do nothing for society. I said everyone contributes. Without the scientist or engineer, those soldiers would be fighting with sticks and rocks.

Sure, without the scientist and engineer they wouldn't have the tools they need, but without the soldier we wouldn't have the scientist and engineer, another country would.

I think a doctor, scientist, engineer, etc. has more importance to this country than the average soldier. They advance our society in peacetime and in war, and have a more impact on our society. I realize it's probably not a popular view, but like I said, I don't hold some romantic vision like others do.

It's not a romantic vision, it's the flat out truth. Sure, you may not see soldiers advancing "society" every day like you do see doctors etc, but like I said before, without soldiers we would not have a society!

How is someone fighting in Iraq fighting for me and my society?

Who mentioned Iraq?

I'm just saying it goes both ways and that I don't put them on a special pedestal.

Maybe you should.

It's a cycle. Without the scientists and engineers, there would be no soldiers then.

I just think the average scientist or doctor is more important to this country than the average soldier. Without the economic and scientific advantage this country enjoys, this country would be nothing.

Note, I'm not saying that soldiers are crap.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Klixxer
The point is, if the US were attacked i would fight for your country and you would run. That is what makes me a soldier and you just another scared individual, hope it never happens though, i doubt mexico would accept you, considering that you do not view human beings as all being equal.

I agree, except when I was a soldier in combat, I was a scared individual too. Whoever says they were in combat and was not scared is lying (not directed at you, just a bad choice of words).


CanO Worms
Sure, doctors save lives, but I wonder when the last time was that a doctor risked his life to save yours? You think an army isn't doing anything for society? If there were no army, there would be no goddamn society.
Yes, alot of people on the street can be soldiers. BUT THEY ARE NOT. Therefore, the one's WHO ARE get my utmost respect, and they deserve yours too. They are protecting this country and they are protecting that doctors right to practice as a free man.

Of course you are correct, i was scared sh!tless when i was in combat. That was not my point though, my point was that he would have fled to wherever he could go and i would have fought for his freedom.

Other than that, nice post, all that you said is true.

I doubt you would fight for my freedom because I'm of an incorrect ethnicity to you.

Anyways, if you think the only way society and the world can be better is through violence, then I pity you.

I belong to the NATO, and yes, i have fought for an attack on your country, didn't see you around though, perhaps you were to busy trying to tell people how they are not equal to you?

Unfortunanly we all live in a society that faces evil and violence, turning your back on it does not make it go away, open your eyes.

That's nice.

I think the greatest strength of the US is its scientific edge.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Klixxer
The point is, if the US were attacked i would fight for your country and you would run. That is what makes me a soldier and you just another scared individual, hope it never happens though, i doubt mexico would accept you, considering that you do not view human beings as all being equal.

I agree, except when I was a soldier in combat, I was a scared individual too. Whoever says they were in combat and was not scared is lying (not directed at you, just a bad choice of words).


CanO Worms
Sure, doctors save lives, but I wonder when the last time was that a doctor risked his life to save yours? You think an army isn't doing anything for society? If there were no army, there would be no goddamn society.
Yes, alot of people on the street can be soldiers. BUT THEY ARE NOT. Therefore, the one's WHO ARE get my utmost respect, and they deserve yours too. They are protecting this country and they are protecting that doctors right to practice as a free man.

I don't think they do nothing for society. I said everyone contributes. Without the scientist or engineer, those soldiers would be fighting with sticks and rocks.

I think a doctor, scientist, engineer, etc. has more importance to this country than the average soldier. They advance our society in peacetime and in war, and have a more impact on our society. I realize it's probably not a popular view, but like I said, I don't hold some romantic vision like others do.

How is someone fighting in Iraq fighting for me and my society?

I'm just saying it goes both ways and that I don't put them on a special pedestal.

Yet we put our lives on the line for the likes of you. No need to thank anyone for that though, eh? If not for us and people like us you would not be able to argue with me.

People do not enjoy their freedom until it is taken from them.

I guess without people like me, you would be living in the stone age then fighting with rocks and sticks.

I'm not saying they're disgusting or horrible or anything. I'm just saying that I don't worship them or put them up on a high pedestal nor does it give them a shield to hide behind. I think there are people that contribute much more to society and the world. If that means I'm degrading soldiers, then that's that. I don't think I said that, but if you want to believe that, it's ok.

As the Presence said, maybe you should put them on pedestals. Without people like him and me, you would not be able to type your response.

I appreciate your pacifism and your will to stick with that but until the world is less violent, soldiers will be needed.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
It's a cycle. Without the scientists and engineers, there would be no soldiers then.

Sure there would. They might fight with sticks and stones, but so would the other side. Because on the other side there is another guy arguing just like you.

I just think the average scientist or doctor is more important to this country than the average soldier. Without the economic and scientific advantage this country enjoys, this country would be nothing.

Really? The way I see it, it would be a place to live in freedom. Sure, maybe I'd be growing corn and riding a horse, but I bet I'd be just as happy - or happier. That freedom is ensured by soldiers in an army.

Note, I'm not saying that soldiers are crap.

Glad to hear it.