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Interesting speculation from the commentators: FireStone (tire supplier for NASCAR and Indy) could have learned more about the new surface and turns and shared that information with Bridgestone (sister company) putting them at an advantage over Michelin.

Honestly I don't really think it is Michelin's fault--more a fault of having stupid, stupid rules this year (I could be biased since I was never much of an F1 fan.) But then again, why hadn't they been testing at that track?

Anyways, if Bridgestone teams do get points, this could be ugly. Michelin could pull their support of F1, and if France follows suit then imagine if Renault pulls out this season!!! :Q
 
Originally posted by: UNCjigga
Interesting speculation from the commentators: FireStone (tire supplier for NASCAR and Indy) could have learned more about the new surface and turns and shared that information with Bridgestone (sister company) putting them at an advantage over Michelin.

Honestly I don't really think it is Michelin's fault--more a fault of having stupid, stupid rules this year (I could be biased since I was never much of an F1 fan.) But then again, why hadn't they been testing at that track?

Anyways, if Bridgestone teams do get points, this could be ugly. Michelin could pull their support of F1, and if France follows suit then imagine if Renault pulls out this season!!! :Q
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How is it not Michelins fault?
Indy isn't a designated test track, apparently Michelin may have been pushing tyres to the limit in previous races, they fvcked up big time this time, it's 100% their fault.
They didn't provide a good enough tyre, who else can be blamed?
They new the rules before the season started, their choices bit them in the ass.
 
Originally posted by: UNCjigga
Honestly I don't really think it is Michelin's fault--more a fault of having stupid, stupid rules this year (I could be biased since I was never much of an F1 fan.)
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I'd blame posturing of the FIA and Ferrari. The FIA got owned and Ferrai get 18 points so they're laughing. That's if the points are allowed to stand after any legal appeals etc.

But then again, why hadn't they been testing at that track?
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The teams aren't allowed to test at Indianapolis.


 
combine this fiasco with ecclestone's comments about danica patrick this week and i think F1 is going to have a hard time getting people to show up here ever again
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Fans are booing and giving thumbs down.

Wow, horrible turn of events.
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Yeah, I'd be pissed if I traveled all the way to IN and bought expensive tickets, only to have this happen. So much for the US GP.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Fans are booing and giving thumbs down.

Wow, horrible turn of events.
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Yeah, I'd be pissed if I traveled all the way to IN and bought expensive tickets, only to have this happen. So much for the US GP.
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For a Grand Prix, US ticket prices are incredubly cheap (like half the price of most EU Grand Prix).
 
I certainly didn't see anyone giving Ferrari and Bridgestone a break when they had tires that made them non competitive earlier this season.

I feel bad for Montero. He was so happy he was on the podium
 
That guy normally finished maybe 16th because he's basically the best driver/car out of the 2 worst teams in F1 who aren't competetive at all.
 
well that was a waste. complete crock...wasnt even a 6 car race, it was a 2 car race and you know full well ross braun will try his hardest to make sure Schumacher wins so basically a 1.5 car race. completely rubbish, i wont be supprised if F1 doesnt return next year. they need to sort out who runs the F1 as a whole, its like the flipping european union, too many people wanna try their hand at running the sport...and this is what happens, idiotic rules get made up, you have a couple of different groups of people all vouching for the same thing and they cant agree on anything....michelin are to blame but the blame doesnt lie solely with them

the FIA, team bosses, GPWC, and the drivers group (what ever that is) must have some of the blame reside with them also
 
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
well that was a waste. complete crock...wasnt even a 6 car race, it was a 2 car race and you know full well ross braun will try his hardest to make sure Schumacher wins so basically a 1.5 car race. completely rubbish, i wont be supprised if F1 doesnt return next year. they need to sort out who runs the F1 as a whole, its like the flipping european union, too many people wanna try their hand at running the sport...and this is what happens, idiotic rules get made up, you have a couple of different groups of people all vouching for the same thing and they cant agree on anything....michelin are to blame but the blame doesnt lie solely with them

the FIA, team bosses, GPWC, and the drivers group (what ever that is) must have some of the blame reside with them also
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Why is the FIA to blame for this? Those new tire regulations are crap sure, but Bridgestone didn't have a problem. GPWC? What does the GPWC have to do with this? Minardi is part of the GPWC and they were racing today. Driver's group? What were they going to do if the team told them they can't race?
 
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
well that was a waste. complete crock...wasnt even a 6 car race, it was a 2 car race and you know full well ross braun will try his hardest to make sure Schumacher wins so basically a 1.5 car race. completely rubbish, i wont be supprised if F1 doesnt return next year. they need to sort out who runs the F1 as a whole, its like the flipping european union, too many people wanna try their hand at running the sport...and this is what happens, idiotic rules get made up, you have a couple of different groups of people all vouching for the same thing and they cant agree on anything....michelin are to blame but the blame doesnt lie solely with them

the FIA, team bosses, GPWC, and the drivers group (what ever that is) must have some of the blame reside with them also
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Why is the FIA to blame for this? Those new tire regulations are crap sure, but Bridgestone didn't have a problem. GPWC? What does the GPWC have to do with this? Minardi is part of the GPWC and they were racing today. Driver's group? What were they going to do if the team told them they can't race?
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sorry i havent been clear...my point is theres all these groups to have a say in whats what...and becuase of that none of them can work together to solve anything. miniardi wern't gonna race, neither were jordan, then jordan decided against what they'd agreed to and miniardi went back on their word....ferrari as usual werent having any of it, michelin teams asked for a chicane to be put in, and the FIA turn round and remind them about some stupid rule.

michelin offered to ship new tyres over night, again the FIA turn round to remind them that it'll break 5 different rules. bridgestone runners said why should they get penalised for something that isnt their fault

and with all this disagreement going on......they forgot completely as to why 100+ thousand people were sitting in the stands

they came to see a race, and the people in charge of the F1 world were more bothered about themselves and probably their money

you can blame who you want...for me theyre all as bad as each other, and if i was there id be asking for a refund
 
Originally posted by: drnickriviera
I certainly didn't see anyone giving Ferrari and Bridgestone a break when they had tires that made them non competitive earlier this season.

I feel bad for Montero. He was so happy he was on the podium
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i felt bad too, the ferrari guys were clearly not happy that they'd come in 1st and 2nd....there was no challenge, it was no fun for them, and im sure theyre feeling like they have 18 undiserved points

but montero...that was the first and probably the last time he'll be on the podium and it was ruined because the people at the top couldnt agree.
 
I'm not a racing fan, so forgive me for my foolish questions.

Michelin determined that their tires were unfit for a certain leg of the track? And they asked F1 to modify the track so that cars with their tires could race, but F1 refused?

Why would this be coming up on the day of the race? Do teams not get practice runs on the track prior to the race?
 
Originally posted by: MrChad
I'm not a racing fan, so forgive me for my foolish questions.

Michelin determined that their tires were unfit for a certain leg of the track? And they asked F1 to modify the track so that cars with their tires could race, but F1 refused?

Why would this be coming up on the day of the race? Do teams not get practice runs on the track prior to the race?
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They're not allowed to change the tires per the F1 rules.
 
Originally posted by: MrChad
I'm not a racing fan, so forgive me for my foolish questions.

Michelin determined that their tires were unfit for a certain leg of the track? And they asked F1 to modify the track so that cars with their tires could race, but F1 refused?

Why would this be coming up on the day of the race? Do teams not get practice runs on the track prior to the race?
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They found the Michelins unsafe during practice... the FIA did not budge on the "chicane issue" because they think modifying the track without having a practice session for the new layout, let alone never having qualified on it, is just as dangerous. The rules say the tire manufacturers must bring a backup tire to every weekend in case something goes wrong with their primary tire. From what I know and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, Michelin's backup tire is the same as their primary tire which they think wouldn't run the whole race distance.
 
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: MrChad
I'm not a racing fan, so forgive me for my foolish questions.

Michelin determined that their tires were unfit for a certain leg of the track? And they asked F1 to modify the track so that cars with their tires could race, but F1 refused?

Why would this be coming up on the day of the race? Do teams not get practice runs on the track prior to the race?
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They found the Michelins unsafe during practice... the FIA did not budge on the "chicane issue" because they think modifying the track without having a practice session for the new layout, let alone never having qualified on it, is just as dangerous. The rules say the tire manufacturers must bring a backup tire to every weekend in case something goes wrong with their primary tire. From what I know and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, Michelin's backup tire is the same as their primary tire which they think wouldn't run the whole race distance.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me. :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
well that was a waste. complete crock...wasnt even a 6 car race, it was a 2 car race and you know full well ross braun will try his hardest to make sure Schumacher wins so basically a 1.5 car race. completely rubbish, i wont be supprised if F1 doesnt return next year. they need to sort out who runs the F1 as a whole, its like the flipping european union, too many people wanna try their hand at running the sport...and this is what happens, idiotic rules get made up, you have a couple of different groups of people all vouching for the same thing and they cant agree on anything....michelin are to blame but the blame doesnt lie solely with them

the FIA, team bosses, GPWC, and the drivers group (what ever that is) must have some of the blame reside with them also
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Why is the FIA to blame for this? Those new tire regulations are crap sure, but Bridgestone didn't have a problem. GPWC? What does the GPWC have to do with this? Minardi is part of the GPWC and they were racing today. Driver's group? What were they going to do if the team told them they can't race?
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sorry i havent been clear...my point is theres all these groups to have a say in whats what...and becuase of that none of them can work together to solve anything. miniardi wern't gonna race, neither were jordan, then jordan decided against what they'd agreed to and miniardi went back on their word....ferrari as usual werent having any of it, michelin teams asked for a chicane to be put in, and the FIA turn round and remind them about some stupid rule.

michelin offered to ship new tyres over night, again the FIA turn round to remind them that it'll break 5 different rules. bridgestone runners said why should they get penalised for something that isnt their fault

and with all this disagreement going on......they forgot completely as to why 100+ thousand people were sitting in the stands

they came to see a race, and the people in charge of the F1 world were more bothered about themselves and probably their money

you can blame who you want...for me theyre all as bad as each other, and if i was there id be asking for a refund
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Well Iagree with that, those guys were all adults who couldn't reach a compromise and we were left to watch a joke of a race.

But I'm not going to take anything away from the Bridgestone runners, I honestly don't think any of this is their fault. If there was someone that could've prevented all this it was definitely Michelin. After that, well it's pretty much finger pointing at everybody.
 
Originally posted by: MrChad
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: MrChad
I'm not a racing fan, so forgive me for my foolish questions.

Michelin determined that their tires were unfit for a certain leg of the track? And they asked F1 to modify the track so that cars with their tires could race, but F1 refused?

Why would this be coming up on the day of the race? Do teams not get practice runs on the track prior to the race?
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They found the Michelins unsafe during practice... the FIA did not budge on the "chicane issue" because they think modifying the track without having a practice session for the new layout, let alone never having qualified on it, is just as dangerous. The rules say the tire manufacturers must bring a backup tire to every weekend in case something goes wrong with their primary tire. From what I know and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, Michelin's backup tire is the same as their primary tire which they think wouldn't run the whole race distance.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me. :thumbsup:
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Good thing you missed out on that farce... it was an ugly sight seeing fans boo, throw debris on the track, holding up signs of "refund" and "fvck you michelin". At around $60-70 a ticket, I don't blame them.
 
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
well that was a waste. complete crock...wasnt even a 6 car race, it was a 2 car race and you know full well ross braun will try his hardest to make sure Schumacher wins so basically a 1.5 car race. completely rubbish, i wont be supprised if F1 doesnt return next year. they need to sort out who runs the F1 as a whole, its like the flipping european union, too many people wanna try their hand at running the sport...and this is what happens, idiotic rules get made up, you have a couple of different groups of people all vouching for the same thing and they cant agree on anything....michelin are to blame but the blame doesnt lie solely with them

the FIA, team bosses, GPWC, and the drivers group (what ever that is) must have some of the blame reside with them also
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Why is the FIA to blame for this? Those new tire regulations are crap sure, but Bridgestone didn't have a problem. GPWC? What does the GPWC have to do with this? Minardi is part of the GPWC and they were racing today. Driver's group? What were they going to do if the team told them they can't race?
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sorry i havent been clear...my point is theres all these groups to have a say in whats what...and becuase of that none of them can work together to solve anything. miniardi wern't gonna race, neither were jordan, then jordan decided against what they'd agreed to and miniardi went back on their word....ferrari as usual werent having any of it, michelin teams asked for a chicane to be put in, and the FIA turn round and remind them about some stupid rule.

michelin offered to ship new tyres over night, again the FIA turn round to remind them that it'll break 5 different rules. bridgestone runners said why should they get penalised for something that isnt their fault

and with all this disagreement going on......they forgot completely as to why 100+ thousand people were sitting in the stands

they came to see a race, and the people in charge of the F1 world were more bothered about themselves and probably their money

you can blame who you want...for me theyre all as bad as each other, and if i was there id be asking for a refund
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Well Iagree with that, those guys were all adults who couldn't reach a compromise and we were left to watch a joke of a race.

But I'm not going to take anything away from the Bridgestone runners, I honestly don't think any of this is their fault. If there was someone that could've prevented all this it was definitely Michelin. After that, well it's pretty much finger pointing at everybody.
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ok ill agree with that...michelin definatley deserve the majority of blame, but ill stand by my opinion that they shouldnt be the only ones. put it this way, the other guys at the top didnt really help the issue did they?

also people always give the impression that ferrari always have something todo with whats happening...yes they were the only team who didnt agree to what the other 9 agreed, but at the end of the day why should they? the michelin runners never listened when ferrari had a plea against the tire rules.
 
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
well that was a waste. complete crock...wasnt even a 6 car race, it was a 2 car race and you know full well ross braun will try his hardest to make sure Schumacher wins so basically a 1.5 car race. completely rubbish, i wont be supprised if F1 doesnt return next year. they need to sort out who runs the F1 as a whole, its like the flipping european union, too many people wanna try their hand at running the sport...and this is what happens, idiotic rules get made up, you have a couple of different groups of people all vouching for the same thing and they cant agree on anything....michelin are to blame but the blame doesnt lie solely with them

the FIA, team bosses, GPWC, and the drivers group (what ever that is) must have some of the blame reside with them also
Click to expand...


Why is the FIA to blame for this? Those new tire regulations are crap sure, but Bridgestone didn't have a problem. GPWC? What does the GPWC have to do with this? Minardi is part of the GPWC and they were racing today. Driver's group? What were they going to do if the team told them they can't race?
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sorry i havent been clear...my point is theres all these groups to have a say in whats what...and becuase of that none of them can work together to solve anything. miniardi wern't gonna race, neither were jordan, then jordan decided against what they'd agreed to and miniardi went back on their word....ferrari as usual werent having any of it, michelin teams asked for a chicane to be put in, and the FIA turn round and remind them about some stupid rule.

michelin offered to ship new tyres over night, again the FIA turn round to remind them that it'll break 5 different rules. bridgestone runners said why should they get penalised for something that isnt their fault

and with all this disagreement going on......they forgot completely as to why 100+ thousand people were sitting in the stands

they came to see a race, and the people in charge of the F1 world were more bothered about themselves and probably their money

you can blame who you want...for me theyre all as bad as each other, and if i was there id be asking for a refund
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Well Iagree with that, those guys were all adults who couldn't reach a compromise and we were left to watch a joke of a race.

But I'm not going to take anything away from the Bridgestone runners, I honestly don't think any of this is their fault. If there was someone that could've prevented all this it was definitely Michelin. After that, well it's pretty much finger pointing at everybody.
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ok ill agree with that...michelin definatley deserve the majority of blame, but ill stand by my opinion that they shouldnt be the only ones. put it this way, the other guys at the top didnt really help the issue did they?

also people always give the impression that ferrari always have something todo with whats happening...yes they were the only team who didnt agree to what the other 9 agreed, but at the end of the day why should they? the michelin runners never listened when ferrari had a plea against the tire rules.
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Well yea the FIA did shoot down every alternative the Michelin teams proposed. I think that was to show that they're not going to bend down for them just because Michelin got themselves in deep sh*t. I don't think it was worth it though... those fans deserved better.

I don't like the IRL but seeing Tony George take the heat on the podium made me think a little better of him.
 
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