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US Gov finds that piracy estimates are bogus

No shock. The piracy fight has never been a fight over actual piracy. It's about establishing monopoly over media distribution. It's not as if they've hidden that fact.
 
mmntech said:
No shock. The piracy fight has never been a fight over actual piracy. It's about establishing monopoly over media distribution. It's not as if they've hidden that fact.
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uh no

it's about preventing the FREE distribution of media

free downloads don't pay residuals.


I know this is really hard for you guys to comprehend, but free is not a good business model once your production costs hits > 100MM
 
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Ns1 said:
uh no

it's about preventing the FREE distribution of media

free downloads don't pay residuals.


I know this is really hard for you guys to comprehend, but free is not a good business model once your production costs hits > 100MM
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Good maybe they will go out of business and bands/media can make money doing live shows or selling their stuff directly from their own website. Better for them, better for us. We dont need a middleman stuck in archaic methods of distribution. They didnt get with the times and then tried to punish the consumer for their mistakes.

Fuck them.
 
SunSamurai said:
We dont need a middleman stuck in archaic methods of distribution. They didnt get with the times and then tried to punish the consumer for their mistakes.
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When was the last time you watched a movie with no big names that wasn't promoted heavily on TV

You know, all those bullshit movies you see on Fox @ 3pm on a Saturday afternoon.

Never? Yeah, those are the kinds of movies that are made w/o big Hollywood studios. Guess what, NOBODY WANTS TO WATCH THAT SHIT.

People want to watch shit made with Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt w/100MM budgets, and the studios deliver. The studios have a right, hell an OBLIGATION to protect their investment.


BTW, a certain title was made specifically for internet distribution, powered only by ad supported revenue. As of this writing, it's made about 200k after a year.

How much production do you think that can afford? How much advertising do you think that can afford?


Oh yeah, these middlemen that you hate so much create tens of thousands of jobs worldwide. Pirates most certainly don't fund our paychecks.
 
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Ns1 said:
When was the last time you watched a movie with no big names that wasn't promoted heavily on TV

You know, all those bullshit movies you see on Fox @ 3pm on a Saturday afternoon.

Never? Yeah, those are the kinds of movies that are made w/o big Hollywood studios. Guess what, NOBODY WANTS TO WATCH THAT SHIT.

People want to watch shit made with Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt w/100MM budgets, and the studios deliver. The studios have a right, hell an OBLIGATION to protect their investment.


BTW, a certain title was made specifically for internet distribution, powered only by ad supported revenue. As of this writing, it's made about 200k after a year.

How much production do you think that can afford? How much advertising do you think that can afford?


Oh yeah, these middlemen that you hate so much create tens of thousands of jobs worldwide. Pirates most certainly don't fund our paychecks.
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Cool story bro.

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she should've settled


I'm not agreeing with individual damages (yes 60k is too much, $1 is too little), but something needs to be done to protect IP. What that is, I have no idea.
 
Ns1 said:
she should've settled


I'm not agreeing with individual damages (yes 60k is too much, $1 is too little), but something needs to be done to protect IP. What that is, I have no idea.
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Protecting IP and punishing legit consumers is NOT the way to go (read: DRM). Pirates will pirate period. They will circumvent DRM. There is no code that has been produced, or that will be produced that will not get cracked/broken to where pirates can steal.

So, how about instead of making me (who buys stuff legally) jump through all these damn hoops to use the content I purchased legally? The best method I have found is Steam (for games). For movies/music/tv I have yet to find anything that satisfies me completely, but Netflix is about as close as they have gotten with online streaming.

I will gladly pay ~$20/mo for the ability to watch any tv/movie anytime from any computer I login to. I'll do another ~$10/mo for music. So, if there is a business model where for $30/mo I can get movies/music/tv to watch/listen to as I want, when I want to I'm in.
 
DisgruntledVirus said:
So, how about instead of making me (who buys stuff legally) jump through all these damn hoops to use the content I purchased legally? The best method I have found is Steam (for games). For movies/music/tv I have yet to find anything that satisfies me completely, but Netflix is about as close as they have gotten with online streaming.
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The few ruin it for the many, and I would agree that Netflix is currently the best way to consume media online.
 
I'm not a fan of people stealing other's creative property. despite what numbers one wants to attach to it.

I never cared for economic impact figures anyway.

I'm all for bands that have freely distributed their music, allowed live recording, whatever. It's all about what the artist chooses to do with their property. If they choose to distribute it privately, fine. If they need big studio or industry support to keep working, and thus rely on the studio to dictate distribution, fine.

bear in mind, I'm all for the record industry collapsing into a steaming pile of shit (uh well...not that it would smell any different), but whatever the artists and creators, and massive production teams dependent on such works choose regarding distribution, is fine with me.

Not a fan of thievery, however you want to sugarcoat it.
 
The US government couldn't estimate their way out of a box.

The original cost of Medicare was $3 billion.
The government estimated that the cost in 1990 would be $12 billion.
In 1990 Medicare cost $107 billion or 792% more than the estimation.

Why would anyone listen to these government ass clowns?
 
Patranus said:
The US government couldn't estimate their way out of a box.

The original cost of Medicare was $3 billion.
The government estimated that the cost in 1990 would be $12 billion.
In 1990 Medicare cost $107 billion or 792% more than the estimation.

Why would anyone listen to these government ass clowns?
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healthcare is an ever increasingly expensive institution. People live longer, we develop new treatments every year, some are simply expensive.

HOLY SHIT! IT GOT MORE EXPENSIVE!!!!
 
zinfamous said:
healthcare is an ever increasingly expensive institution. People live longer, we develop new treatments every year, some are simply expensive.

HOLY SHIT! IT GOT MORE EXPENSIVE!!!!
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The original cost to replace the eastern span of the San Francisco Bay Bridge was estimated to cost $780 million and be completed in 2007.

The actual of the cost is now projected to be 6.2 billion and be completed in 2013.

Again, government can't estimate their way out of a box.
 
Ns1 said:
The few ruin it for the many, and I would agree that Netflix is currently the best way to consume media online.
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As soon as the big studios look after my rights, I'll look after theirs. Pummeling your way through the court room with lawyers, and bribing corrupt politicians isn't the way you look after my rights....
 
lxskllr said:
As soon as the big studios look after my rights, I'll look after theirs. Pummeling your way through the court room with lawyers, and bribing corrupt politicians isn't the way you look after my rights....
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Just because you can't get something the way you want it doesn't give you the right to take it for free

ex) 300 isn't available w/o DRM, fuck them I'll just download it instead = entitlement mentality
 
Ns1 said:
Just because you can't get something the way you want it doesn't give you the right to take it for free
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Yea, to me it does. When they threaten with lawyers over something that's clearly within fair use terms, just to bully people without money into submission that gives me the right to fight with the resources available to me. When they bribe law makers into extending copyrights, yet again; that gives me the right to fight back with the resources available to me. I couldn't give a shit less about their "rights". I support artists, and people that takes my rights into account. The big studios can get fucked.
 
lxskllr said:
Yea, to me it does. When they threaten with lawyers over something that's clearly within fair use terms, just to bully people without money into submission that gives me the right to fight with the resources available to me. When they bribe law makers into extending copyrights, yet again; that gives me the right to fight back with the resources available to me. I couldn't give a shit less about their "rights". I support artists, and people that takes my rights into account. The big studios can get fucked.
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nice way to justify your piracy


i don't see how making a file available for FREE to millions of others to download is "fair use". If you are referring to something else, please be specific.


And please, you're making this a "I'M FIGHTING THE MAN!" type situation. Most people aren't downloading shit to "stick it to the studios", they're doing it because it's fucking free.
 
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