US going to give it to Iraq
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[conspiracy theory]
saoudi arabia and koeweit want to export as much oil as they can, at the highest price possible. But to get the highest price possible, the amount of oil supply must be kept low. This can be done at several ways: either SA/K pump up less oil, or they eliminate another major producer of oil: iraq.
Therefor, SA/K pay the US/UK big $$$ or give them oil at a discount price in exchange for keeping the embargo against a major supplier and competitor, iraq, going.
[/conspiracy theory]
now, doesn't that sound alot more appealing than the story in which the US is so opposed against the big bad dictator?
Aelus
saoudi arabia and koeweit want to export as much oil as they can, at the highest price possible. But to get the highest price possible, the amount of oil supply must be kept low. This can be done at several ways: either SA/K pump up less oil, or they eliminate another major producer of oil: iraq.
Therefor, SA/K pay the US/UK big $$$ or give them oil at a discount price in exchange for keeping the embargo against a major supplier and competitor, iraq, going.
[/conspiracy theory]
now, doesn't that sound alot more appealing than the story in which the US is so opposed against the big bad dictator?
Aelus
I don't care the reason, I'm just sick of Hussein messing with half the mid east. Get rid of him!
Do you really know anything about Iraq...He could very well be the prodigal son of Adolf Hitler. I suggest you rethink your oil proposal.
That's probably why the US was supporting Iraq considerably during the war against Iran, back when sadam was the nice guy and iran the bad guy.
Too many people believe too much propaganda. Yes, he is evil. No, he's not going to nuke the world. But it's not like he's eating children for breakfast.
Where was the US when pinochet was in power and eliminating thousands of political enemies? Oh, that's right, it was with US support that pinochet overthrew the democratic government to enact a dictatorship.
It seems to me it's hard for my brain to keep changing which dictator is the good guy and which one is the bad guy daily.
Aelus
Too many people believe too much propaganda. Yes, he is evil. No, he's not going to nuke the world. But it's not like he's eating children for breakfast.
Where was the US when pinochet was in power and eliminating thousands of political enemies? Oh, that's right, it was with US support that pinochet overthrew the democratic government to enact a dictatorship.
It seems to me it's hard for my brain to keep changing which dictator is the good guy and which one is the bad guy daily.
Aelus
As any student of Middle Eastern politics will tell you....
The US will never bomb Saddam out of power. They will only bomb him enough to keep him crippled, but not to kill him.
Why?
Because were it not for Saddam, US military would never, ever, have been permitted to set foot, much less encampment, inside of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
And if Saddam (the evil dictator) were removed from power, the Saudis would thank us very much for our assitance and then ask us to leave.
The US wants to maintain a presence in the Middle East, know what I mean? Saddam is our ticket in.
The US will never bomb Saddam out of power. They will only bomb him enough to keep him crippled, but not to kill him.
Why?
Because were it not for Saddam, US military would never, ever, have been permitted to set foot, much less encampment, inside of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
And if Saddam (the evil dictator) were removed from power, the Saudis would thank us very much for our assitance and then ask us to leave.
The US wants to maintain a presence in the Middle East, know what I mean? Saddam is our ticket in.
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Aelus
Two men in a bar are fighting, one looks at you and socks you dead in the choppers. You get up and start helping the guy who DIDNT sock you by giving him brass knuckles, a blackjack and any other old thing to can hand him to bludgeon his opponent. Everytime the guy who hit you gets up, the other guy, whom you supplied with the weapons, gives him a sock in the chops thus leveling him once again. This goes on for hours. Suddenly, the man whom you are backing, has his children come to him in the middle of this fight and begins using the weapons WHICH YOU PROVIDED TO HIM on his children. Mashing them just as brutally as if they were his opponent too. Who do you back now? Nothing in this conflict is black and white unfortunately. There are millions of shades of gray, and as we increase our presence anywhere in the middle east, we also increase our chances of becoming a target. Nothing we do, will help in the long run, this is a conflict that has gone on for more than a quarter of a century. These people have to WANT peace to gain peace. We need to be here, so when they're ready, we can help. I am by far not advocating standing back and allowing the innocent slaughter of peoples involved, or taking continual punch after punch from them without recourse, but I do not believe we as a nation can do anything helpful by policing these nations. We should, setup radio and TV signals allowing these people, in these particular countries, EASY access to OBJECTIVE WORLD NEWS. With the knowledge of whats going on in neighboring countries as well as their own, without their governments censorship, maybe just maybe the people will tire of the rampant despotism and dictatorships that have plagued their people for so long and finally rise up to begin building a better government more productive for their people and their nation.
WnIeD
Two men in a bar are fighting, one looks at you and socks you dead in the choppers. You get up and start helping the guy who DIDNT sock you by giving him brass knuckles, a blackjack and any other old thing to can hand him to bludgeon his opponent. Everytime the guy who hit you gets up, the other guy, whom you supplied with the weapons, gives him a sock in the chops thus leveling him once again. This goes on for hours. Suddenly, the man whom you are backing, has his children come to him in the middle of this fight and begins using the weapons WHICH YOU PROVIDED TO HIM on his children. Mashing them just as brutally as if they were his opponent too. Who do you back now? Nothing in this conflict is black and white unfortunately. There are millions of shades of gray, and as we increase our presence anywhere in the middle east, we also increase our chances of becoming a target. Nothing we do, will help in the long run, this is a conflict that has gone on for more than a quarter of a century. These people have to WANT peace to gain peace. We need to be here, so when they're ready, we can help. I am by far not advocating standing back and allowing the innocent slaughter of peoples involved, or taking continual punch after punch from them without recourse, but I do not believe we as a nation can do anything helpful by policing these nations. We should, setup radio and TV signals allowing these people, in these particular countries, EASY access to OBJECTIVE WORLD NEWS. With the knowledge of whats going on in neighboring countries as well as their own, without their governments censorship, maybe just maybe the people will tire of the rampant despotism and dictatorships that have plagued their people for so long and finally rise up to begin building a better government more productive for their people and their nation.
WnIeD
<< Aelus
Two men in a bar are fighting, one looks at you and socks you dead in the choppers. You get up and start helping the guy who DIDNT sock you by giving him brass knuckles, a blackjack and any other old thing to can hand him to bludgeon his opponent. Everytime the guy who hit you gets up, the other guy, whom you supplied with the weapons, gives him a sock in the chops thus leveling him once again. This goes on for hours. Suddenly, the man whom you are backing, has his children come to him in the middle of this fight and begins using the weapons WHICH YOU PROVIDED TO HIM on his children. Mashing them just as brutally as if they were his opponent too.
Who do you back now?
WnIeD >>
can you explain your little metaphor, because it doesn't make sense to me. Who represents who?
What, like we haven't been giving it to them for the past 8 years??? I think it is time for the US to take a new stance on Iraq because the old one isn't working. Europe interacts with iraq fine but the US and GB still see it in their interest to bomb them day after day. Of course, US public opinion is strong behind our government because of the crap propaganda that we are fed. Love, not bombs.
They dont abide by the rules set forth to them, when they lost Desert Storm. I wouldnt worry about nukes, those really arent the problem, no world leader or terrorist group will ever use them, because they arent that stupid. Sure their followers might be overzealous and would die for the cause, but the leaders wouldnt thus no nukes. However, bio and chemical weapons which would prove far more deadly than a single nuke ever would, are a real threat of being launched. Iraq has all three, nukes, bio and chemical weapons. How? The money they get from selling oil goes to massing weaponry and not feeding their people as was intended with the Oil for Food agreement.
Personally I wish the middleeast would cease to exsist. Maybe if Iraq would be forthcoming with the agreement they signed, we wouldnt be bombing them every few months(not day after day). Its really simple, if they would stop producing their missles, like they agreed to, we wouldnt be doing this.
Its basically to cripply their military. Will probably get rid of all those AA guns in the no fly zones, as well as quite alot of their ground units. Its going to happen sooner or later, sooner would be better than later in this case.
Personally I wish the middleeast would cease to exsist. Maybe if Iraq would be forthcoming with the agreement they signed, we wouldnt be bombing them every few months(not day after day). Its really simple, if they would stop producing their missles, like they agreed to, we wouldnt be doing this.
Its basically to cripply their military. Will probably get rid of all those AA guns in the no fly zones, as well as quite alot of their ground units. Its going to happen sooner or later, sooner would be better than later in this case.
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