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I think Turkey will come around. To much for them to lose. They've just been pressured with very little time to sell it to their people. They have a lot to lose, not only financially from the US, but from post-war iraq deals/trade as well. But, they have to have time to sell it to the people.
 
Originally posted by: rickn
I think Turkey will come around. To much for them to lose. They've just been pressured with very little time to sell it to their people. They have a lot to lose, not only financially from the US, but from post-war iraq deals/trade as well. But, they have to have time to sell it to the people.
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A government's job is not to tell the people what they want and then do it. A government's job is to do what the people want.
 
Originally posted by: rickn
I think Turkey will come around. To much for them to lose. They've just been pressured with very little time to sell it to their people. They have a lot to lose, not only financially from the US, but from post-war iraq deals/trade as well. But, they have to have time to sell it to the people.
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I think they'll prove themselves the most honourable country by standing up to huge bribes, even at the expense of their domentic economy, by saying "no". But, I don't think they will...they'll sell out to a cause they not only don't support but likely strongly oppose.

 
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: rickn
I think Turkey will come around. To much for them to lose. They've just been pressured with very little time to sell it to their people. They have a lot to lose, not only financially from the US, but from post-war iraq deals/trade as well. But, they have to have time to sell it to the people.
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A government's job is not to tell the people what they want and then do it. A government's job is to do what the people want.
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right, so you give them incentives to do what you want. Bush throws the american people a bone every now and then. Government is just a big sales organization
 
Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: rickn
I think Turkey will come around. To much for them to lose. They've just been pressured with very little time to sell it to their people. They have a lot to lose, not only financially from the US, but from post-war iraq deals/trade as well. But, they have to have time to sell it to the people.
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I think they'll prove themselves the most honourable country by standing up to huge bribes, even at the expense of their domentic economy, by saying "no". But, I don't think they will...they'll sell out to a cause they not only don't support but likely strongly oppose.
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This is turkey we're talking about.
 
A government's job is not to tell the people what they want and then do it. A government's job is to do what the people want.
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Now that's a novel idea...maybe we should try that here? 😉
 
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: rickn
I think Turkey will come around. To much for them to lose. They've just been pressured with very little time to sell it to their people. They have a lot to lose, not only financially from the US, but from post-war iraq deals/trade as well. But, they have to have time to sell it to the people.
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A government's job is not to tell the people what they want and then do it. A government's job is to do what the people want.
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I want to not pay taxes!

 
Originally posted by: optoman
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: rickn
I think Turkey will come around. To much for them to lose. They've just been pressured with very little time to sell it to their people. They have a lot to lose, not only financially from the US, but from post-war iraq deals/trade as well. But, they have to have time to sell it to the people.
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A government's job is not to tell the people what they want and then do it. A government's job is to do what the people want.
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I want to not pay taxes!
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Maybe at the end of that we should add..."within reason.". 😉
 
Originally posted by: optoman
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: rickn
I think Turkey will come around. To much for them to lose. They've just been pressured with very little time to sell it to their people. They have a lot to lose, not only financially from the US, but from post-war iraq deals/trade as well. But, they have to have time to sell it to the people.
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A government's job is not to tell the people what they want and then do it. A government's job is to do what the people want.
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I want to not pay taxes!
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I see your arguement. The governments job is to govern the nation. However, the people the elected to govern them (i.e. politicians) also agree with the people on this issue. So, what is the point exactly?

Andy
 
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: rickn
I think Turkey will come around. To much for them to lose. They've just been pressured with very little time to sell it to their people. They have a lot to lose, not only financially from the US, but from post-war iraq deals/trade as well. But, they have to have time to sell it to the people.
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I think they'll prove themselves the most honourable country by standing up to huge bribes, even at the expense of their domentic economy, by saying "no". But, I don't think they will...they'll sell out to a cause they not only don't support but likely strongly oppose.
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This is turkey we're talking about.
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So, you think they'll stand up to American demands?

 
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Turkey officials have to balance two things. The desire to avoid war, and the well being of their people. They are not puppets of the people, but are elected to represent them and their best interests. If Washington was obliged to follow the dictates of the majority at every instance, we would have blown up the world a hundred times over if we could have. Fer crying out loud, people watch Rosie, and reality shows. Give em nukes too? Na. Back to Turkey. If the US decides to punish Turkey for not complying, the economy will become even worse. At least with the money, there is something, although if I were them, I would insist on a signature and a delivery date for the funds. I do not believe there is any more intent to fund this than there was money put in the budget for Afghanistan
 
this is just lollygagging on Turkey's part. Once the people get to digest the sticker shock, and the fact they are now going to lose it, and lose out on quite possibly very lucrative rebuilding deals and trade with post-war Iraq, maybe public opinion may change. 95% of the people reject war. Get it down to 75%, maybe they'll vote our way.
 
Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: rickn
I think Turkey will come around. To much for them to lose. They've just been pressured with very little time to sell it to their people. They have a lot to lose, not only financially from the US, but from post-war iraq deals/trade as well. But, they have to have time to sell it to the people.
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I think they'll prove themselves the most honourable country by standing up to huge bribes, even at the expense of their domentic economy, by saying "no". But, I don't think they will...they'll sell out to a cause they not only don't support but likely strongly oppose.
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yeah like you're the voice of Turkey
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Originally posted by: Corn
what if you promise them that Allah will honor and cherish them
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Not enough, you need to sweeten the deal by throwing a gaggle of virgins into the pot.
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I'm not Muslim but I'd be pretty pissed off at comments like these if I was.
 
I'm not Muslim but I'd be pretty pissed off at comments like these if I was.
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Why? Are you telling me that there isn't a single Muslim (I'm not saying "most") out there that could be bribed into doing something they wouldn't ordinarily do if the price was right?
 
I don't think you would be pissed, Mani, if you were a good Moslim. People are ignorant. Are you going to hate them for that? A good Moslim doesn't give a fig about virgins.
 
Sorry Corn, you were posting when I was I guess. I don't know I could go so far as even to say most, but good ones surely.
 
A good Moslim doesn't give a fig about virgins.
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By what standard are you judging "good"? Osama bin laden is very devout in his faith, does that not make him good?

 
Originally posted by: Corn
A good Moslim doesn't give a fig about virgins.
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By what standard are you judging "good"? Osama bin laden is very devout in his faith, does that not make him good?
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So you think Osama is a "good" Muslim. I'm speechless.
 
Originally posted by: Mani
Originally posted by: Corn
A good Moslim doesn't give a fig about virgins.
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By what standard are you judging "good"? Osama bin laden is very devout in his faith, does that not make him good?
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So you think Osama is a "good" Muslim. I'm speechless.
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Seeing how he never said that, i'm not sure where you're coming from 🙂
 
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