US Exposure to EU Bailout: $50 Billion and Counting

highland145

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This may have been posted in the Greece imploding thread but I didn't see it.

WTF is all I can say.

US taxpayers could be on the hook for $50 billion or more as part of the European debt bailout, which is likely to be a close cousin to the strategy used to rescue the American financial system.

Determining the exact exposure at this point is nearly impossible until governments start stepping up to the window created by the European Union and the International Monetary Fund to stem the crisis in Greece and elsewhere on the continent.
But one rule-of-thumb formula puts potential US exposure at $54 billion should the entire IMF loan fund be tapped.
And that doesn't count the added exposure created by the Federal Reserve's decision over the weekend to participate in currency swaps to provide liquidity to jittery European banks. The swaps move resembles the Term Auction Facility the Fed instituted when the worst of the US financial crisis hit in 2007-08.
And the entire bailout package has been nicknamed "Le Tarp" by some for its similarity to the Troubled Asset Relief Program that bailed out US companies with taxpayer-backed loans.

US involvement in the European crisis already has drawn critics from Congress and economists who think the domestic financial issues should be cleared up first.
"Inflation and debt is not the answer to a problem caused by inflation and debt," said Michael Pento, chief economist at Delta Global Advisors and a critic of both the European plan and the Fed's approach to US fiscal stability. "It's a European problem that should have been dealt with by Europeans."
In Washington, the White House said taxpayers will not be liable for the European bailout. (See video)


But the US is a participant in the International Monetary Fund, which has agreed to work with the European Union to help countries that come under debt duress.
The IMF has pledged a one-third share of the 750 billion-euro ($952 billion) rescue package—typical of the fund's arrangements with central banks in such cases.
That would come to 250 billion euros, though that is only a rough figure and dependent on a variety of circumstances, according to an IMF official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the uncertainty still involved.
The US would be responsible for 17.09 percent, or $54 billion, of the cost using a quota contribution system the IMF uses in such instances. The US is the leading contributor under the quota setup.
But pinpointing the exact figure is difficult because all loans are not created equal, and will depend on the currencies in which they are issued and the arrangements between the parties.
Also, the basis of the loans won't be solely on the quota calculation, which accounts for only half the formula. The other half is a pro-rated basis for which the US does not currently have an agreement but is likely to in the future. That pool comes from wealthier countries with "useable resources," with the typical arrangement for the US being higher than the 17 percent for the quota share.
Love that last line " higher than the 17% share."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/37084075
 

sandorski

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The US has a long way to go to get in their position. Not that it should carry on with business as usual once the current situation has been left behind though.
 

boomerang

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They won't be there for themselves.

Edit: Aren't.
Yeah, my post was pure sarcasm.

Why we continue on this path of emulating a failed governmental model is distressing. It's said one should learn from their mistakes. It appears we're unwilling to learn from the mistakes of others.

But our government is run by people who are developmentally stalled. Stuck in a state of perpetual adolescence, where anything is possible with no consideration for the costs and consequences. Blind to anything but the goal.

The country has survived progressive thinking before, let's hope we survive it once again.
 
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highland145

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Yeah, my post was pure sarcasm.

Why we continue on this path of emulating a failed governmental model is distressing. It's said one should learn from their mistakes. It appears we're unwilling to learn from the mistakes of others.

But our government is run by people who are developmentally stalled. Stuck in a state of perpetual adolescence, where anything is possible with no consideration for the costs and consequences. Blind to anything but the goal.

The country has survived progressive thinking before, let's us hope we survive it once again.
Figured since I don't remember them ever being there...

The thinking is one thing. The passing of laws/ installing institutions that will ensure that we head that way is another.
 

Noobtastic

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Fuck Europe.

They can take care of themselves. They wouldn't do the same for us. Their population hates America.

They love the Muslim world more than us.
 

Schadenfroh

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We first bailed them out with The Marshall Plan and they still hate us. Give them nothing, as I would expect that they would also give us nothing.. If I was in Europe, I would give the Greeks nothing for digging themselves into that hole.
 

rudder

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The US has a long way to go to get in their position. Not that it should carry on with business as usual once the current situation has been left behind though.

Explain to me how federal government can pay on its national debt, provide subsidized healthcare, pay social security, provide medicare, pay for peoples caulking, pay federal pensions to all current and new federal employees whose numbers as salaries grow, maintain national security, give people tax credits to buy homes, now pay for all the poor drug addicted people, etc., etc., etc.

The situation will not be left behind anytime soon.
 

StageLeft

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Yeah, my post was pure sarcasm.

Why we continue on this path of emulating a failed governmental model is distressing. It's said one should learn from their mistakes. It appears we're unwilling to learn from the mistakes of others.

But our government is run by people who are developmentally stalled. Stuck in a state of perpetual adolescence, where anything is possible with no consideration for the costs and consequences. Blind to anything but the goal.

The country has survived progressive thinking before, let's hope we survive it once again.
The main problem really seems to me that it's systemic to the political system in the US and other democracies. The election cycle literally rewards above all else short term (until next election and one after that at the absolute latest) thinking and reward.
If I was in Europe, I would give the Greeks nothing for digging themselves into that hole.
That's just heartless. At least give them a shovel.
 

sandorski

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Explain to me how federal government can pay on its national debt, provide subsidized healthcare, pay social security, provide medicare, pay for peoples caulking, pay federal pensions to all current and new federal employees whose numbers as salaries grow, maintain national security, give people tax credits to buy homes, now pay for all the poor drug addicted people, etc., etc., etc.

The situation will not be left behind anytime soon.

Revenues>Expenditures
 

boomerang

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The main problem really seems to me that it's systemic to the political system in the US and other democracies. The election cycle literally rewards above all else short term (until next election and one after that at the absolute latest) thinking and reward.
Yeah, we're doomed. It's the natural order of things. This higher brain function that we have, that sets us apart from other species, is our ultimate undoing.

Evidently it's contested whether Ben Franklin said this or not. “When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” It doesn't matter who said it, we're there. What emerges from the other side will be interesting.

I'm a firm believer that the form of government we're rapidly leaving behind, a Republic based on Capitalism, is the best thing going. It's certainly not perfect, but it's far from being a failed model. Millions have sought our shores to share in the prosperity it offers. They're still coming. But, we seem hell bent on embracing another form of government that has failed over and over in experiment after experiment. That being Socialism. It's been a well orchestrated takeover. Decades in the making. But the people haven't given up yet.

There hasn't been a presidential candidate in my lifetime that inspired me. Maybe there never has been one. We're in need of one. I don't think he or she exists.
 

werepossum

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B-b-b-but we're not funding the bailout! All we're doing is giving some third party billions of dollars, we have no control over how they spend it!
[/sarcasm]
 

bamacre

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Explain to me how federal government can pay on its national debt, provide subsidized healthcare, pay social security, provide medicare, pay for peoples caulking, pay federal pensions to all current and new federal employees whose numbers as salaries grow, maintain national security, give people tax credits to buy homes, now pay for all the poor drug addicted people, etc., etc., etc.

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CycloWizard

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Yeah, my post was pure sarcasm.

Why we continue on this path of emulating a failed governmental model is distressing. It's said one should learn from their mistakes. It appears we're unwilling to learn from the mistakes of others.
One definition of insanity is trying things over and over again and expecting different results.
 
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We'll see if they're there for us, because our day is coming.
Nah. Our day has come and gone already. The US has already bottomed out and is slowly beginning another economic upswing.

A couple of years ago in this forum I responded to those certain glee-meisters (You know who they are) who were pointing out how the US economy was in a tailspin while the EU was doing so well. I pointed out that, traditionally, when the US economy tanked the RoTW would soon follow, which is really no big surprise when the US economy is such a huge factor on the International stage. That's exactly what has happened.

Now that the US economy is slowly trending upward we have to deal with the economic aftershock of that on EU, which will benefit eventually from a recovering US economy and will itself heal eventually because of it. It's just the cycle of things. They lag behind. In 2 or 3 more years things will be nearly fully recovered, barring any major natural disasters with a worldwide impact, and all will be good again. Be happy. This is a sign of the light at the end of the tunnel, not a brick wall. Things could have gotten much worse.
 

bfdd

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They can't support Greece with the money they stole from Microsoft and Intel?
 

IGBT

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the socialist slobs did everything the obama is doing to the US. what part of the obama's plan did they screw up on?? oh. Maybe not enough public debt? or entitlements? or no show jobs?
 

werepossum

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Nah. Our day has come and gone already. The US has already bottomed out and is slowly beginning another economic upswing.

A couple of years ago in this forum I responded to those certain glee-meisters (You know who they are) who were pointing out how the US economy was in a tailspin while the EU was doing so well. I pointed out that, traditionally, when the US economy tanked the RoTW would soon follow, which is really no big surprise when the US economy is such a huge factor on the International stage. That's exactly what has happened.

Now that the US economy is slowly trending upward we have to deal with the economic aftershock of that on EU, which will benefit eventually from a recovering US economy and will itself heal eventually because of it. It's just the cycle of things. They lag behind. In 2 or 3 more years things will be nearly fully recovered, barring any major natural disasters with a worldwide impact, and all will be good again. Be happy. This is a sign of the light at the end of the tunnel, not a brick wall. Things could have gotten much worse.

I read somewhere that 1/2 of all automobile profits in the world were generated in US sales, and that of all world profits roughly a quarter came from the USA. (Though I'm assuming that counts only for multinational corporations.) Although Europe sells itself a lot of stuff, it relies on the USA for its profit margins. Therefore any big downswing in the US economy will have a corresponding but lagging effect on Europe. Since the US economy is based mostly on borrowing money I'd assume the converse is not true . . .
 

boomerang

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One definition of insanity is trying things over and over again and expecting different results.
Yup

But I can't really blame the youth that are so on board with Socialism for several reasons. First, they've been brainwashed from an early age. Second, on the surface it truly sounds good. The goals and ideology of that form of government are admirable. They sound like something humanity should aspire to.

What they're never taught is why it continually fails. It fails because of human nature. When the incentive is removed to exceed, when there is no reward for taking risk, when the reward for hard work is not the property of the individual but the property of the collective, the high achievers slowly become the underachievers. Why achieve when there is no reward? The system eventually collapses. Human nature.

Arguments have been made here that we need to embrace a European form of Socialism. Look, it's working! For a while, I thought why not? But it's failing. Anyone paying attention to Greece and what's going on in Europe should be able to see that - if they want to see. The one saving grace of the European form in affect today is that it never got to the jackboot, mass killing stage. Still a failure though.

No sense going on. There are two camps. We're all in whatever one works for us and I've never aspired to change minds at the microcosm that is P&N. Everyone really should read the first link in my sig - What's Wrong With Socialism? Even if you have to hold your nose while you read it.