US Economy . . . .

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

dmcowen674: Most of the people I know that live this way own things that they can not afford and live a lifestyle that is beyond their means. Is our economy supposed to be strong enough to overcome the bad choices that people make? Perhaps the economy is bad for the position that you are in, but that does not make the entire economy bad. But hey, go ahead and sell your negativism if that is what trips your trigger. I just don't see how it will accomplish anything, especially for you. 😕 [/quote]

Ah, gotcha, should turn the house over to Rich people and go live in a Trailer because I am Trailer Trash, Check. :thumbsup:[/quote]


Well, dmcowen674, if you can't afford the payment on your house, you should figure out how to get your equity out of it and move into something that your income can support. If that is a Trailer, so be it.

The people that choose to live in trailers, because that is what they can afford, are hardly Trash . It is to bad that you see them that way.🙁 They certainly have my respect.
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You missed the whole point which is expected from the Republicans in here and running the Country.

[/quote] What is it that you want from "the Republicans in here and running the country"

A hand out? [/quote]

You are so far out there just like the rest of the Republicans.

This is America and you should expect better of her. It was coined the land of Opportunity for a reason and that is being shredded by the Republican Agenda and attitudes like yours.

If people work their way up to afford a home, Economic factors brought about by a Politcal Regime running the Country should not force them out of their homes into Trailers. If you honestly believe that is the way it should be then America and everything it stood for is truly Dead with no hope for recovery.
[/quote] Maybe you should look into selling Trailers for a living. If everything is as the negativism you try to sell, business should be very good.

Damn, where are the statistics for Trailer sales when you need them? Dave might be onto something here.:evil:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Maybe you should look into selling Trailers for a living. If everything is as the negativism you try to sell, business should be very good.

Damn, where are the statistics for Trailer sales when you need them? Dave might be onto something here.:evil: [/quote]

Except that along the immediate coast here new Trailers are banned because of Hurricane threat. Existing Trailers are Grandfathered until they are blown away in a Hurricane or Tornado.

 

[BBond]

Oh great!

Now you want trailer owners to be blown away in hurricanes!!!

HOW DARE YOU DMCOWEN???

:roll:

 

[nergee]

So, if trailers are the next big thing..how can we make money off of it?....................

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: nergee
So, if trailers are the next big thing..how can we make money off of it?....................

Go for a monopoly. Design, manufacture and sell trailers. How hard can it be?? Start factories in towns that have Walmarts, hire their cheaphelp away from them. Set up shops in the empty stores Walmart put out of business. A vacant mall would do nicely, it would have plenty of parking to display your trailers. I'll bet you could even swing some financing from Kmart.

MUWAHAHAHA!!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BBond
Oh great!

Now you want trailer owners to be blown away in hurricanes!!!

HOW DARE YOU DMCOWEN???

:roll:

Huh? Not that I "want" them to be blown away, they just are.

You're in the North where there isn't a proliferation of these tin light boxes like down here.

They just get blown around like a cardboard box. A little research would help.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: nergee
So, if trailers are the next big thing..how can we make money off of it?....................

Go for a monopoly. Design, manufacture and sell trailers. How hard can it be?? Start factories in towns that have Walmarts, hire their cheap help away from them.

Set up shops in the empty stores Walmart put out of business. A vacant mall would do nicely, it would have plenty of parking to display your trailers. I'll bet you could even swing some financing from Kmart.

MUWAHAHAHA!!

Wrong product for the area but not a bad idea.

There is so many large empty stores these days.

Old empty K-Mart buildings, now many empty Winn-Dixie stores.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BBond
Oh great!

Now you want trailer owners to be blown away in hurricanes!!!

HOW DARE YOU DMCOWEN???

:roll:

Huh? Not that I "want" them to be blown away, they just are.

You're in the North where there isn't a proliferation of these tin light boxes like down here.

They just get blown around like a cardboard box. A little research would help.

Tap the sarcasm meter, DM. 😉

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ozoned
I jumped into this thread without reading any other post in it except the op. I want to make a point.

The question I asked you has the same answer that it has had for as long as I can remember.

I am nearing xx (old), and I can not recall ever being in a bad economy.

I feel for people that buy into negativism, and despise people that try to sell it...

( CMA) Of course, I am not talking about you. You always seem to project a positive attitude.

Congratulations on leading such a sheltered life.

You obviously have no experience living check to check as things get more expensive and your income does not rise despite working harder and longer.

Any bump in the Economy and down you go.

But like you said, looking on the positive side, not going down alone, plenty of other American Sheeple going down the same way so it's one big happy family afterall.

dmcowen674: Most of the people I know that live this way own things that they can not afford and live a lifestyle that is beyond their means.

Is our economy supposed to be strong enough to overcome the bad choices that people make?

Perhaps the economy is bad for the position that you are in, but that does not make the entire economy bad.

But hey, go ahead and sell your negativism if that is what trips your trigger. I just don't see how it will accomplish anything, especially for you. 😕

Shame on you and all of the disgusting Republicans that have this attitude aganist what America used to stand for.

Here is written proof of an article that was poublished Nationally today showing that Housing prices have outstripped wages increases for most of the U.S.

Soon only the Rich will still be in house while the rest of the Country will be forced into Trailers or worse.

4-30-2005 Housing is too expensive

Housing prices are outstripping wage increases in many areas, meaning more people are either spending above their means or living in dilapidated conditions, according to a pair of studies being released today by the Center for Housing Policy, a coalition pushing for more affordable housing.

It's generally accepted that a family should not spend more than 30 percent of its income on housing to ensure there is enough money for other necessities.

But in the last five years, the number of low- and middle-income working families paying more than half their income for housing has increased 76 percent. In 2003, 4.2 million working families spent more than half their income on housing, up from 2.4 million in 1997.

Barbara Lipman, the research director for the center, said a full-time job doesn't guarantee families a decent, affordable place to live.

The price is going up faster than the wages of working families.''

One out of every eight families in the United States -- or 14 million -- had critical housing needs in 2003, defined as either paying more than half of income for housing or living in run-down quarters.
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Absolutely disgusting that Republicans are Proud of this.

 

[BBond]

What the matter with you DM? Don't you realize all of those people made bad choices??? It's all their own fault. If they had made good choices they wouldn't find themselves in any predicaments. Their lives would be...perfect.

''Choices are a bit grim -- commuting longer distances, working longer hours, having another wage-earner in the family, taking a second job,'' Lipman said.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


Soon only the Rich will still be in house while the rest of the Country will be forced into Trailers or worse.

I have an unused barn on my property that I am renting to a homeless family .

I would think that they would love to be in a position where they could live in a trailer or dilapidated housing. (or worse as you call them).

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


Soon only the Rich will still be in house while the rest of the Country will be forced into Trailers or worse.

I have an unused barn on my property that I am renting to a homeless family .

I would think that they would love to be in a position where they could live in a trailer or dilapidated housing. (or worse as you call them).

Wow, I bet you are milking them for all you can out that barn too. :thumbsdown:

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


Soon only the Rich will still be in house while the rest of the Country will be forced into Trailers or worse.

I have an unused barn on my property that I am renting to a homeless family .

I would think that they would love to be in a position where they could live in a trailer or dilapidated housing. (or worse as you call them).

Wow, I bet you are milking them for all you can out that barn too. :thumbsdown:

I charge them for the tax that I pay on the barn and what little electricity they use.

What are you doing to help the homeless, in this horrible and terrible economy, Dave?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


Soon only the Rich will still be in house while the rest of the Country will be forced into Trailers or worse.

I have an unused barn on my property that I am renting to a homeless family .

I would think that they would love to be in a position where they could live in a trailer or dilapidated housing. (or worse as you call them).

Wow, I bet you are milking them for all you can out that barn too. :thumbsdown:

I charge them for the tax that I pay on the barn and what little electricity they use.

What are you doing to help the homeless, in this horrible and terrible economy, Dave?

Good for you even though I find it hard to believe you do this since you feel it is their fault to begin with that they are homeless.

If I was not struggling just to stay afloat now and had disposable income, I would be helping absolutely as I have in the past.

 

[1EZduzit]

I can't speak for Dave, but I know he does his best here to stand up for the poor and oppressed.

I can speak for myself and the summer before last I helped build a "Habitat for Humanity" house just 2 blocks down from me. A family with 6 kids moved in. Their father had one of the best blue collar jobs in town, a machinist making over $30,000 anually. His wife doesn't work. They're very religious and she home schools.

Last summer he built on a BIG family room and an attached double garage with a nice 2 car wide cement driway. I can't afford to lay cement in my drivway and it's only a singl;e car garage.

The whole thing was just so totally bogus. I know several crippled people who live in dumps and can't afford to fix them up. I know of several divorced women with several kids who work full time and only make half of what he does. They also work second jobs. For Chris sake, his wife doesn't even work!!

The only thing I can think of is that he contributes heavily to his church. We have a lot of those religious whackos around here. They think they can buy their way into heaven.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I can't speak for Dave, but I know he does his best here to stand up for the poor and oppressed.

I can speak for myself and the summer before last I helped build a "Habitat for Humanity" house just 2 blocks down from me. A family with 6 kids moved in. Their father had one of the best blue collar jobs in town, a machinist making over $30,000 anually. His wife doesn't work. They're very religious and she home schools.

Last summer he built on a BIG family room and an attached double garage with a nice 2 car wide cement driway. I can't afford to lay cement in my drivway and it's only a singl;e car garage.

The whole thing was just so totally bogus. I know several crippled people who live in dumps and can't afford to fix them up. I know of several divorced women with several kids who work full time and only make half of what he does. They also work second jobs. For Chris sake, his wife doesn't even work!!

The only thing I can think of is that he contributes heavily to his church. We have a lot of those religious whackos around here. They think they can buy their way into heaven.

Thanks for noticing. I worked on several HFH homes in Atlanta with my Ex.

It's unfortunate it seems that a decent income guy's family got through the system like that but the homes are not hand outs. They expect the family that gets the home to succeed and not lose the home because they are on the edge. There is a lot of criteria involved and the fact the family was large with 6 kids I'm sure played a big factor as well as church.

They cover a large spectrum and this guy was at the high end of the spectrum, those at the low end of the spectrum pull at heart strings more but they can have a higher chance of failing which would be even more cruel to the family. Choices are tough but they still have to be made.

Maybe because of their Church affilation got a super good deal on concrete and materials for the expansion projects a well and probably also got Church folks to help with the labor too.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Good for you even though I find it hard to believe you do this since you feel it is their fault to begin with that they are homeless.

If I was not struggling just to stay afloat now and had disposable income, I would be helping absolutely as I have in the past.

Pretty good job of twisting what I said into the lies that you typed, Dave.

Whose fault is it, Dave, in thishorrible and terrible economy, that you are struggling to stay afloat?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Good for you even though I find it hard to believe you do this since you feel it is their fault to begin with that they are homeless.

If I was not struggling just to stay afloat now and had disposable income, I would be helping absolutely as I have in the past.

Pretty good job of twisting what I said into the lies that you typed, Dave.

Whose fault is it, Dave, in thishorrible and terrible economy, that you are struggling to stay afloat?

The Policies of the Republican Regime destroying the U.S.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Good for you even though I find it hard to believe you do this since you feel it is their fault to begin with that they are homeless.

If I was not struggling just to stay afloat now and had disposable income, I would be helping absolutely as I have in the past.

Pretty good job of twisting what I said into the lies that you typed, Dave.

Whose fault is it, Dave, in thishorrible and terrible economy, that you are struggling to stay afloat?

The Policies of the Republican Regime destroying the U.S.

The people in that Regime :roll: , have broad shoulders and spines.


Blame away, Dave..

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Good for you even though I find it hard to believe you do this since you feel it is their fault to begin with that they are homeless.

If I was not struggling just to stay afloat now and had disposable income, I would be helping absolutely as I have in the past.

Pretty good job of twisting what I said into the lies that you typed, Dave.

Whose fault is it, Dave, in thishorrible and terrible economy, that you are struggling to stay afloat?

The Policies of the Republican Regime destroying the U.S.

The people in that Regime :roll: , have broad shoulders and spines.

Blame away, Dave..

Yep, will blame them and those that support them until they are gone or the Country is gone.

Unfortunately at the rate it is going the Country will be gone.

Nov 2006 and Nov 2008 cannot get here fast enough.

 

[CMC79]

Soon only the Rich will still be in house while the rest of the Country will be forced into Trailers or worse.

Not the case. Remember Stein's Law: If something can't go on, it won't.

Housing prices are indeed rising a great deal, and are approaching the point where first time homebuyers are unable to afford a house. Currently, rents, in comparision, are relatively low however. Especially in light of rising interest rates rise, the divergence between rents and mortgages will entice more people into renting instead. Housing prices will have to rise more slowly or even come down in response. Eventually, as demand for rental housing rises, the relative cost of renting will increase, and the divergence between mortages and rents will close. The housing market will then resume its climb.

 

[wchou]

To the OP, it didn't crawl into a hole it fell into the a hell hole and it will be very difficult to crawl out of it.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Of course the reason for the economy slumping now is because of a certain previous president. Yes, energy costs are affecting it I won't deny that, but Clinton messed with the economy so much that it is all screwed up. It takes several years to see the full effect of economic policy. And if you look at the numbers, the economy was already going into a downturn before the 2000 election of Bush. Hmm, I wonder why? CLINTON MESSED IT UP. What we saw in the good economy during his term in office was the effect of what Reagan had done. What Reagan had to clean up during his term in office was what Ford and Carter had made a mess of.

I know I'll probably get flamed for this but o well it wouldn't be the first time. Liberals always talk about tolerance of everybody EXCEPT when it deals with conservatives, Christians.. well basically anyone who doesn't agree with them :roll: They tolerate those who are just as messed up as they are I guess