US drops MOAB bomb in Afghanistan

[[DHT]Osiris]

That bomb is a joke compared to a full salvo from a TOS-1A (which has been used already during the battle for Ramouseh Artillery College in east alleppo. The Rebels and isis have been on the receiving end of some of the most devastating weaponry for years They will shake this off. The bomb itself is flawed, It cannot be dropped from any medium bomber (F111, F18, F35). It also has to be air-dropped from a C-130 Cargo plane and therefore is completely useless against anyone with any kind of modern air defenses. It' might have some use in hitting a cave, in that it is massive. There are specific munitions for cave penetration that can only be carried by B-1s because they have to be dropped at supersonic speeds to penetrate 100m+ concrete. This is just a giant barrel filled with RDX. It's definitely dangerous, though. But it has to be 25% of news coverage right now. Russia scandal is maybe 1% and that's on the "liberal" networks like CNN and msnbc.


I think Trump is learning a new trick: Launch some missiles or bomb somebody, and suddenly all the attention being payed to your corrupt and likely criminal administration disappears. Suddenly, Lindsay Graham is praising you on national television. People who hated you, now pretend to think you're smart! What do you do? Well, you start bombing more stuff!

People won't have time to hear anything about your crazy russian bank ties and pee pee videos if we go to war and all the nationalist military ball-lickers will suddenly act like Trump is a God. You saw that already with Graham, a man who called Trump a lying scam artist.


Trump is going to start a war soon. He has to, and I think Syria is his "easiest' pick.

Expect another big one (or a War on X declaration) soon, if the stuff coming out of the British Intel catches any traction.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I thought that the primary reason for the story on the 3rd was that traditionally, new campaigns/pushes in a given campaign are going through the WH before being implemented, and this is something that Trump has altered to remove the WH from the equation. Is that incorrect? I wouldn't consider this to be the case during something large-scale (like a world war) due to time constraints being more pertinent.

For the record, I agree regarding the MOAB, I think it's great to see some of this multimillion dollar hardware actually put to use instead of us paying to maintain it in a warehouse/bunker.

This strike was in Afghanistan and we have established authority to strike. This is certainly the largest single explosive we've dropped but it's an ongoing mission. I shouldn't be surprised of Trump was briefed but he is notorious for not wanting to be bothered, but again his permission isn't needed.

Most likely there was a lot of intel work which went into this so the Pentagon and probably Mattis would have been informed, but Afghanistan operations have been refined for many years. While the weapon used is novel the operation itself isn't materially different than what's been going on.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

This strike was in Afghanistan and we have established authority to strike. This is certainly the largest single explosive we've dropped but it's an ongoing mission. I shouldn't be surprised of Trump was briefed but he is notorious for not wanting to be bothered, but again his permission isn't needed.

Most likely there was a lot of intel work which went into this so the Pentagon and probably Mattis would have been informed, but Afghanistan operations have been refined for many years. While the weapon used is novel the operation itself isn't materially different than what's been going on.

Fair enough, I wonder why the hubub from the media regarding Spicer/Trump being asked about authorization, and why he announced 'changing things' wrt Libya if it was mostly par for the course? Chasing smoke and mirrors?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That bomb is a joke compared to a full salvo from a TOS-1A (which has been used already during the battle for Ramouseh Artillery College in east alleppo. The Rebels and isis have been on the receiving end of some of the most devastating weaponry for years They will shake this off. The bomb itself is flawed, It cannot be dropped from any medium bomber (F111, F18, F35). It also has to be air-dropped from a C-130 Cargo plane and therefore is completely useless against anyone with any kind of modern air defenses. It' might have some use in hitting a cave, in that it is massive. There are specific munitions for cave penetration that can only be carried by B-1s because they have to be dropped at supersonic speeds to penetrate 100m+ concrete. This is just a giant barrel filled with RDX. It's definitely dangerous, though. But it has to be 25% of news coverage right now. Russia scandal is maybe 1% and that's on the "liberal" networks like CNN and msnbc.


I think Trump is learning a new trick: Launch some missiles or bomb somebody, and suddenly all the attention being payed to your corrupt and likely criminal administration disappears. Suddenly, Lindsay Graham is praising you on national television. People who hated you, now pretend to think you're smart! What do you do? Well, you start bombing more stuff!

People won't have time to hear anything about your crazy russian bank ties and pee pee videos if we go to war and all the nationalist military ball-lickers will suddenly act like Trump is a God. You saw that already with Graham, a man who called Trump a lying scam artist.


Trump is going to start a war soon. He has to, and I think Syria is his "easiest' pick.

I don't know what that all has to do with anything. The mission was to take out a system of caves and tunnels. A TOS-1A would be completely wrong for this mission as even a MOP would be.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Fair enough, I wonder why the hubub from the media regarding Spicer/Trump being asked about authorization, and why he announced 'changing things' wrt Libya if it was mostly par for the course? Chasing smoke and mirrors?

People seem to be assuming Trump is micromanaging everything and looking for a story. I'm more concerned about the announcement from the administration that if NK tests a nuke we will strike. The MOAB is just a tool finally used for the first time. An attack on NK is a whole new level.

 

[FIVR]

People seem to be assuming Trump is micromanaging everything and looking for a story. I'm more concerned about the announcement from the administration that if NK tests a nuke we will strike. The MOAB is just a tool finally used for the first time. An attack on NK is a whole new level.

I don't think people generally think he is micromanaging anything. It's more like he has his imbecilic minions (remember Lewandowski?) doing him "solids" in every way possible. They know the best possible way to win his favor is to get him better news coverage. So, they act. If one of his advisors (perhaps McMaster) can be convinced to order an operation using that huge bomb... and perhaps he can find out that there is a surplus of very old MOABs that will be unusable if not used in the next few years... and he can therefore write off the cost (minus fuel and operational costs) and "test" a weapon in combat at the same time. "Win Win"

All the while, the media follows and covers it for hours. Biggest bomb ever? You can bet 1/10 americans are now convinced we used an atomic bomb in Afghanistan. What happened to Nunes and his investigations? What happened to Russia? Never mind, let's blow some stuff up!

 

[UglyCasanova]

I don't have a problem with this. They used the appropriate weapon to demolish an isis stronghold and killed upwards of 100 fighters. What's the issue?

 

[alien42]

killed upwards of 100 fighters.

do you have a source for this? i haven't seen any damage assessments yet.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Not sure the legitimacy of the site

http://ijr.com/2017/04/847666-first-reports-coming-afghanistan-moab-killed-100-isis-fighters/

 

[UglyCasanova]

 

[TechBoyJK]

tahts from yemennnnn

 

[alien42]

yeah, that's not a MOAB, they explode in the air. there is also no chance we dropped a MOAB that close to a city.

 

[trenchfoot]

Of course, the response from Isis will be "Oh yeah?, just wait 'til we get everything lined up and squared away in London, New York, Paris and Berlin. It will be the "Mother of All Bombings."

Escalating tit-for-tat is as natural as how animals adapt their behavior to the changes around them.

We should expect some kind of like response from Isis. We'd be fools not to.

 

[alien42]

Of course, the response from Isis will be "Oh yeah?, just wait 'til we get everything lined up and squared away in London, New York, Paris and Berlin. It will be the "Mother of All Bombings."

Escalating tit-for-tat is as natural as how animals adapt their behavior to the changes around them.

We should expect some kind of like response from Isis. We'd be fools not to.

funny you say that, i heard a General say today that "The Mother of All Bombs" was originally an inside joke mocking Saddam's press guy using the phrase "the mother of all battles"

 

[Victorian Gray]

I don't have a problem with this. They used the appropriate weapon to demolish an isis stronghold and killed upwards of 100 fighters. What's the issue?

Apparently not that many.

"Up to 36 suspected Islamic State militants were killed in Afghanistan when the US dropped the largest non-nuclear bomb ever used in combat, the Afghan defence ministry said on Friday.

To target what the military described as a “tunnel complex” used by the Isis’s Afghanistan affiliate, the US for the first time used what the military colloquially calls the “mother of all bombs”, the GBU-43/B.

Dawlat Waziri, an Afghan ministry spokesman said of Thursday’s strike: “No civilian has been hurt and only the base, which Daesh used to launch attacks in other parts of the province, was destroyed.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ps-non-nuclear-bomb-afghanistan-islamic-state

To be fair, that's not it's main use. It's for destroying the complex itself. Casualties would be a bonus.

 

[Thebobo]

I seriously wonder how stupid you are to think that a cave complex of ISIS terrorists in Afghanistan is populated by innocent bystanders? Really?

Thank you for your concern.

 

[Zstream]

Oh, I think Trump's big bomb is a preemptive strike to drown out this potentially devastating bigger boom boom:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

I thought he British didn't spy on Trump? Bahah

 

[vi edit]

I thought he British didn't spy on Trump? Bahah

It was routine monitoring of Russian activity and then things started getting really interesting. They went to the US and said "Ya'll probably want to look into this".

 

[Zstream]

It was routine monitoring of Russian activity and then things started getting really interesting. They went to the US and said "Ya'll probably want to look into this".

Oh yeah, all routine... god you're annoying when you're so gullible. Don't ever complain about other people being unintelligent when you can't even see two feet in front of you.

 

[zinfamous]

Oh yeah, all routine... god you're annoying when you're so gullible. Don't ever complain about other people being unintelligent when you can't even see two feet in front of you.

lol. you still think that some dude being caught in recordings targeting some other dude means that the first dude was being targeted.

 

[alien42]

Oh yeah, all routine... god you're annoying when you're so gullible. Don't ever complain about other people being unintelligent when you can't even see two feet in front of you.

he is absolutely correct and you should do some research on Five Eyes and Echelon. the simple fact is that the UK is the eye on Russia in the UKUSA Agreement.

or continue on with your complete horseshit that has no basis in reality, comrade.

 

[desura]

I don't think people generally think he is micromanaging anything. It's more like he has his imbecilic minions (remember Lewandowski?) doing him "solids" in every way possible. They know the best possible way to win his favor is to get him better news coverage. So, they act. If one of his advisors (perhaps McMaster) can be convinced to order an operation using that huge bomb... and perhaps he can find out that there is a surplus of very old MOABs that will be unusable if not used in the next few years... and he can therefore write off the cost (minus fuel and operational costs) and "test" a weapon in combat at the same time. "Win Win"

All the while, the media follows and covers it for hours. Biggest bomb ever? You can bet 1/10 americans are now convinced we used an atomic bomb in Afghanistan. What happened to Nunes and his investigations? What happened to Russia? Never mind, let's blow some stuff up!

Ironically...Trump's inexperience means that he is gullible means that he just nods his head to whatever the generals tell him. It takes experience to be able to call bullshit. So ironically...Trump's term means that the bureaucracy gets to go even crazier than it would have under Clinton.

 

[Pens1566]

Oh yeah, all routine... god you're annoying when you're so gullible. Don't ever complain about other people being unintelligent when you can't even see two feet in front of you.

First, it wasn't just the brits. It was UK, Poland, Estonia, Germany, Australia, Dutch, and French. Now, what's more likely: that they were all spying specifically on Trump and campaign or they were all spying on a common enemy and all scooped up who the enemy was talking to? We'll wait.

 

[Younigue]

I thought he British didn't spy on Trump? Bahah

Oh yeah, all routine... god you're annoying when you're so gullible. Don't ever complain about other people being unintelligent when you can't even see two feet in front of you.

What's happening two feet in front of you? Certainly not reading comprehension. They don't even make glasses for the kind of prescription you need. I know people in my personal life with reading comprehension issues... Do you know what they do to ensure they don't sound absurd or make ignorant decisions? They ask for help. What they don't do is look for the most ridiculous information out there to guide them. They also have the benefit of having some common sense. Again, there's not much you can do about that, it doesn't appear to be your gift.

If there were no just cause (and there was plenty... your boyfriend and crew are a corrupt bunch) then there'd be nothing to tell, no warrants would have been issued. Oh... and the warrants weren't issued against your boyfriend but he seems to be a common denominator in all things pointing toward collusion. A fact you'd rather be butt hurt about than look at objectively.

You know? Even loved ones have to be held accountable.

Trust me when I say regardless of how this all plays out your abusive, negligent boyfriend will land on his feet to hate, abuse and ignore you another day... just not as your President. Fingers crossed!

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Big boom!!

I want to see before and after shots of a target hit with one of those things.