US Destroys al-Sadir's Baghdad Office

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From the NY Times (sub site):

"American forces said today that they had killed some three dozen militiamen loyal to a rebel Shiite cleric during two days of fighting that included the destruction of the cleric's Baghdad headquarters in the Sadr City slum district here.

American armored vehicles bombarded the walls of the compound, which contains the offices of the cleric, Moktada al-Sadr, and a small mosque, witnesses said. The building had been evacuated and there were no casualties, witnesses said.

But later, the United States military said 18 of Mr. Sadr's followers had been killed during heavy nighttime fighting that echoed around the capital. Those deaths came on top of at least 18 militiamen reported killed in fighting on Sunday."

"The American military said that all of the 18 fighters it killed on Sunday had been carrying rocket-propelled grenades. No American casualties were reported. A Sadr City hospital official, Abdul-Jabbar Soulagh, said that at least 9 had been killed and 32 wounded in the battle.

The militia fighters took to the streets of the neighborhood after Americans detained several people, including Mr. Sadr's lieutenant and a man accused of being his financier, at Mr. Sadr's office on Saturday.

The militia was reported to have taken over some municipal buildings in Sadr City, in northeastern Baghdad, and to have blocked off roads in parts of the district. Many shops were closed there on Sunday."

In Sadr City, the walls of Mr. Sadr's headquarters were pocked with big holes, and shrapnel from a missile lay among the rubble.

"At 2:00 a.m., tanks and armored vehicles entered out street," said a tribal leader, Sheikh Fakher al-Azawi, who was helping to clean up the small mosque. "Our youth responded to that force. People were hiding in their houses. It was a street battle."

"I think the Mahdi Army attacks will continue until the complete withdrawal from our land," he added. "We are all Mahdi Army."
 

syzygy

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too awesome. the more who discover to their disappointment that 70 virgins do not await,
the better.

your selective quoting overlooked an even rosier development. further down we read about
a certain leaflet distribution:
The leaflets carried this warning: "To al-Sadr followers: If you continue fighting you will
be killed in the end. You must be killed. It is your choice." The leaflets' reverse side showed
worshipers and people eating in a restaurant. "There is a chance for Iraqi people to live in
peace," the reverse side read. "Just put your weapons aside and be happy with what your
country has given to you."

The leaflet was not signed, but in the last few weeks a shadowy death squad calling itself
the Thulfiqar Army has reportedly killed at least seven of Mr. Sadrs' militiamen in Najaf.

hello thulfiqar army.
 

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And Sadr City (Bagdahd) falls as an result of this action.
 

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Originally posted by: syzygy
too awesome. the more who discover to their disappointment that 70 virgins do not await,
the better.

your selective quoting overlooked an even rosier development. further down we read about
a certain leaflet distribution:
The leaflets carried this warning: "To al-Sadr followers: If you continue fighting you will
be killed in the end. You must be killed. It is your choice." The leaflets' reverse side showed
worshipers and people eating in a restaurant. "There is a chance for Iraqi people to live in
peace," the reverse side read. "Just put your weapons aside and be happy with what your
country has given to you."

The leaflet was not signed, but in the last few weeks a shadowy death squad calling itself
the Thulfiqar Army has reportedly killed at least seven of Mr. Sadrs' militiamen in Najaf.

hello thulfiqar army.
Yes. More "shadowy" militias killing each other, that's the shining example of democracy we killed 10,000 Iraqis to achieve.
 

syzygy

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: syzygy
too awesome. the more who discover to their disappointment that 70 virgins do not await,
the better.

your selective quoting overlooked an even rosier development. further down we read about
a certain leaflet distribution:
The leaflets carried this warning: "To al-Sadr followers: If you continue fighting you will
be killed in the end. You must be killed. It is your choice." The leaflets' reverse side showed
worshipers and people eating in a restaurant. "There is a chance for Iraqi people to live in
peace," the reverse side read. "Just put your weapons aside and be happy with what your
country has given to you."

The leaflet was not signed, but in the last few weeks a shadowy death squad calling itself
the Thulfiqar Army has reportedly killed at least seven of Mr. Sadrs' militiamen in Najaf.

hello thulfiqar army.
Yes. More "shadowy" militias killing each other, that's the shining example of democracy we killed 10,000 Iraqis to achieve.


there is nothing 'shadowy' about this militia - not that being 'shadowy' is wrong when only
their precise identities, and not their thoughts, are unknown.

their program is available for all to read. the leaflet, assuming its theirs, is telling. their
frustration is shared with the vast majority of iraqis, who, regardless of how they may
feel about the american presence now, do not care for the likes of sadr.

i think sadr commands a force of a few thousand loyalists. sistani has his own people, is
more influential, and has directed his 'people', fellow shiites, and other iraqis not to antagonize
the americans and other foreigners working within iraq.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: syzygy
too awesome. the more who discover to their disappointment that 70 virgins do not await,
the better.

your selective quoting overlooked an even rosier development. further down we read about
a certain leaflet distribution:
The leaflets carried this warning: "To al-Sadr followers: If you continue fighting you will
be killed in the end. You must be killed. It is your choice." The leaflets' reverse side showed
worshipers and people eating in a restaurant. "There is a chance for Iraqi people to live in
peace," the reverse side read. "Just put your weapons aside and be happy with what your
country has given to you."

The leaflet was not signed, but in the last few weeks a shadowy death squad calling itself
the Thulfiqar Army has reportedly killed at least seven of Mr. Sadrs' militiamen in Najaf.

hello thulfiqar army.
Yes. More "shadowy" militias killing each other, that's the shining example of democracy we killed 10,000 Iraqis to achieve.

no, no, NO, it was ALL about the WMD's and the links to 9/11, remember... focus man, FOCUS. or eh, i mean the LIBERATION, did you know that Saddam TORTURED them? and KILLED them? not like... well, they will have a democracy, if they vote right, without any control of the security forces or the law enforcement, but it will be a STRONG government of the people....

You are a communist nazi racist if you deny that!
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Klixxer

You are a communist nazi racist if you deny that!

I don't think anybody is going to deny that you aren't, especially since you've spilled your racist views on this forum.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: syzygy
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: syzygy
too awesome. the more who discover to their disappointment that 70 virgins do not await,
the better.

your selective quoting overlooked an even rosier development. further down we read about
a certain leaflet distribution:
The leaflets carried this warning: "To al-Sadr followers: If you continue fighting you will
be killed in the end. You must be killed. It is your choice." The leaflets' reverse side showed
worshipers and people eating in a restaurant. "There is a chance for Iraqi people to live in
peace," the reverse side read. "Just put your weapons aside and be happy with what your
country has given to you."

The leaflet was not signed, but in the last few weeks a shadowy death squad calling itself
the Thulfiqar Army has reportedly killed at least seven of Mr. Sadrs' militiamen in Najaf.

hello thulfiqar army.
Yes. More "shadowy" militias killing each other, that's the shining example of democracy we killed 10,000 Iraqis to achieve.


there is nothing 'shadowy' about this militia - not that being 'shadowy' is wrong when only
their precise identities, and not their thoughts, are unknown.

their program is available for all to read. the leaflet, assuming its theirs, is telling. their
frustration is shared with the vast majority of iraqis, who, regardless of how they may
feel about the american presence now, do not care for the likes of sadr.

i think sadr commands a force of a few thousand loyalists. sistani has his own people, is
more influential, and has directed his 'people', fellow shiites, and other iraqis not to antagonize
the americans and other foreigners working within iraq.

The problem, as i see it, and for once i will not be sarcastic, is that the US kills them just as effectively as Saddam did, they did not like him, and they do not like the US, there will be no flowers, there will be no winning of their hearts, get out and let them settle it, or stand in the middle and let them shoot you while they settle it.

This war was a mistake, a supported revolution would have been a success for a few years to come, of course they would eventually turn against you, just like previous leaders in Iran, Iraq and so on and so forth.

They are fighting occupying forces, i would do the same, even if it meant certain death, and i have a feeling that you would too.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer

You are a communist nazi racist if you deny that!

I don't think anybody is going to deny that you aren't, especially since you've spilled your racist views on this forum.

Yes, as a semitic with a jewish heritage, i am certainly a Nazi, you see, i am against the US world order, then you have to be a Nazi communist racist.

How wrong you are, only you can tell. I have a suggestion for you, join the army, fight for what you think is right, i did, what have you done except stated that a semitic with jewish heritage is a Nazi?

To me, that is an insult that i cannot even begin to explain to you. You know my heritage, you should be banned.

I fought for your ass in Afghanistan, where were you?
 

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Originally posted by: syzygy
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: syzygy
too awesome. the more who discover to their disappointment that 70 virgins do not await,
the better.

your selective quoting overlooked an even rosier development. further down we read about
a certain leaflet distribution:
The leaflets carried this warning: "To al-Sadr followers: If you continue fighting you will
be killed in the end. You must be killed. It is your choice." The leaflets' reverse side showed
worshipers and people eating in a restaurant. "There is a chance for Iraqi people to live in
peace," the reverse side read. "Just put your weapons aside and be happy with what your
country has given to you."

The leaflet was not signed, but in the last few weeks a shadowy death squad calling itself
the Thulfiqar Army has reportedly killed at least seven of Mr. Sadrs' militiamen in Najaf.

hello thulfiqar army.
Yes. More "shadowy" militias killing each other, that's the shining example of democracy we killed 10,000 Iraqis to achieve.


there is nothing 'shadowy' about this militia - not that being 'shadowy' is wrong when only
their precise identities, and not their thoughts, are unknown.

their program is available for all to read. the leaflet, assuming its theirs, is telling. their
frustration is shared with the vast majority of iraqis, who, regardless of how they may
feel about the american presence now, do not care for the likes of sadr.

i think sadr commands a force of a few thousand loyalists. sistani has his own people, is
more influential, and has directed his 'people', fellow shiites, and other iraqis not to antagonize
the americans and other foreigners working within iraq.

Funny thing is that Sistani also was very passive with Saddam as well. Many Shiites still have not forgiven him for staying quite when Saddam killed Sadr's father. When the majority of Shiite opinion sways towards revolt I think Sistani will either swing with that opinion or become irrelevant.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer

You are a communist nazi racist if you deny that!

I don't think anybody is going to deny that you aren't, especially since you've spilled your racist views on this forum.

Yes, as a semitic with a jewish heritage, i am certainly a Nazi, you see, i am against the US world order, then you have to be a Nazi communist racist.

How wrong you are, only you can tell. I have a suggestion for you, join the army, fight for what you think is right, i did, what have you done except stated that a semitic with jewish heritage is a Nazi?

To me, that is an insult that i cannot even begin to explain to you. You know my heritage, you should be banned.

I fought for your ass in Afghanistan, where were you?

Actually, I'm referring to the racist part. It's interesting how you're not denying that you're racist. I'm not sure how you would deny it anyways. You claimed people under apartheid were equal, that it's OK to discriminate against people who are different than you, etc.

I don't know your heritage or anything about you, nor do I care much. All I know is that you have openly expressed your racist views.

You did not fight for me. If you look at my posts, you'll see that I don't give automatic respect to soldiers, police officers, etc. I don't put people on pedestals just because they do a job that requires no mental abilities. A lot more people can be a soldier or police officer, not many can be a doctor or scientist. Actually, if you truly are a soldier, then it explains more about your behavior in a stereotypical way.