US consulate attacked by beloved patriot taliban

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I wonder what the response from Obama will be? The Dems are typically soft on terror (yah, a catch phrase, but accurate). No Americans were killed. I remember the days when attacking a consulate was a declation of war...not anymore. There will be strongly worded letters sent out very soon.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/04/05/pakistan.blast/?hpt=T1

Explosions near U.S. consulate in Peshawar kill at least 6

By the CNN Wire Staff
April 5, 2010 9:12 a.m. EDT


Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- A terrorist attack near the U.S. Consulate in Peshawar, Pakistan, killed two consulate security guards and at least four others Monday, authorities said.
The two consulate employees who died were Pakistani, the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad said, and "a number of others were seriously wounded."
At least six people were killed in all, a government official said.
All U.S. citizens were accounted for, and some had minor injuries, State department spokesman P.J. Crowley said.
The coordinated attack involved a vehicle suicide bomb and attackers who tried to enter the consulate by using grenades and weapons fire, the U.S. Embassy said in a statement.
The blasts in the capital of the North West Frontier Province came hours after a suicide attack killed at least 30 people and wounded 50 others in another part of the province.
The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for both attacks. In a phone call to CNN, Azam Tariq, spokesman for Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, said the group was behind the attacks in Peshawar and Dir.
The U.S. Embassy, in its statement, said the two attacks reflect "the terrorists' desperation as they are rejected by people throughout Pakistan."
Peshawar is about 75 miles (120 kilometers) from Islamabad, the country's capital.
Bashir Ahmad Bilour, a senior provincial minister, told reporters at the scene that several militants came in two vehicles. The first vehicle exploded near a security checkpoint, and gunmen in the second car opened fire.
There remained confusion about those killed. While the U.S. Embassy identified two of the dead as Pakistani employees, Bilour said four militants and a police officer died, as well as a civilian who died later.
"They were well-organized. They were well-equipped," he said of the attackers.
The three explosions went off within a span of 15 minutes in the area of Saddar and Hayatabad Avenue, near the American consulate and the Peshawar headquarters of Pakistan's intelligence agency, which was the target of a deadly car bomb attack in November.
The North West Frontier Province is rife with Islamic extremists and has been the site of recent clashes between Pakistani security forces and militants.
Monday's suicide attack took place at a rally for the province's ruling Awami National Party in Timargarah in the lower Dir district, said lawmaker Mehmood Zeb Khan.
Hundreds of the participants had gathered for a rally to change the name of the province to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
The bomber walked into the government building where the meeting was going on and blew himself up, said provincial spokesman Mian Iftikhar Hussain.
The province was given its current name during the British colonial rule. The party, which heads a coalition government in the province, wants the area's name to reflect its majority Pashtun population.
A bill to amend the constitution in support of the name change was expected to be introduced in parliament on Monday.
 

EagleKeeper

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The US is already at war with the beloved patriot Taliban. We just do not have official boots on the ground

It was determined that is was not the beloved patriot's themselves that did the attack.
 

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hi ho... hi ho...
it's up more drones will go...
we find their hut
and bomb their butt...
hi ho... hi ho...
 

yllus

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If only the Democrats were as tough on terror as Nixon (rubbing shoulders with Mao and Brezhnev) and Reagan (where to even begin).
 

Lemon law

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If only the Democrats were as tough on terror as Nixon (rubbing shoulders with Mao and Brezhnev) and Reagan (where to even begin).
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That is just the problem, Nixon did not have any more success with North Vietnamese infiltrators than either GWB or Obama have had with the Taliban.

After years of trying, we have to realize that an army seldom can kill their way out of an insurgency.
 

Jaskalas

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I wonder what the response from Obama will be? The Dems are typically soft on terror (yah, a catch phrase, but accurate). No Americans were killed. I remember the days when attacking a consulate was a declation of war...not anymore. There will be strongly worded letters sent out very soon.

Thus the rise in terrorism. Strongest military on the planet will sit back and let attacks such as these continue unchallenged. Quite a glaring weakness for which we have no proper response.
 

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I can only say Jaskalas shows a shocking ignorance of a guerrilla war.

Were it the Pakistani army that carried out the consulate attack, it would be an act of war, but because it was a outlaw movement in Pakistan, namely the Taliban, that carried out the attack, its not an act of war.

Nor is it a matter of our military allowing such attacks to go on unchallenged, its simply that the Taliban can choose where and when to attack, and no army can be everywhere at once. As it is, the consulate itself was not penetrated by a well planned and organized attack, and for an insurgent movement, a consulate is almost bound to be the grade A target list.
 

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So you want to declare war on the Taliban? I think you're 8 1/2 late on that.
 

Jaskalas

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I can only say Jaskalas shows a shocking ignorance of a guerrilla war.

I said, in other words, terrorism is effective and we have no proper response.

Do tell, what is not absolute fact there? I may as well have said the sun rises in the east and you'd no doubt spit vitriol on that too.
 

Blackjack200

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As soon as I saw the OP, I knew this would be Obama's fault.

I guess it's fair criticism. Although I have to say, our skyskrapers have significantly fewer holes in them than they did under Bush.
 

kage69

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I wonder what the response from Obama will be? The Dems are typically soft on terror (yah, a catch phrase, but accurate). No Americans were killed. I remember the days when attacking a consulate was a declation of war...not anymore. There will be strongly worded letters sent out very soon.

Always nice to see a thread start with FAIL, just surprised PrevaricatorJohn wasn't involved. Sorry, accuracy not found.

Obama, a Dem, has prosecuted the war in Afghanistan (current global terrorism capital) more ardently than his Repub predecessor. Even staunch Obama critics on The Hill admit this. Sorry to hear you didn't know, please give my sympathies to your stereotypes.
 

kage69

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As soon as I saw the OP, I knew this would be Obama's fault.

I guess it's fair criticism. Although I have to say, our skyskrapers have significantly fewer holes in them than they did under Bush.


LOL, and did you hear how Obama treated those Somali pirates? Had the Navy dole out water, MREs, and fresh daisies for all before sending them on their way. If only we had a caped Republican crusader to save us! Oh teh noes!

Seriously though, how will Obama react? Probably a standard announcement on the realities of combating terrorism, maybe followed by another appearance of his friends "Hellfire" and "missile."
 

blackangst1

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I said, in other words, terrorism is effective and we have no proper response.

Do tell, what is not absolute fact there? I may as well have said the sun rises in the east and you'd no doubt spit vitriol on that too.

Yep.
 

blackangst1

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As soon as I saw the OP, I knew this would be Obama's fault.

I guess it's fair criticism. Although I have to say, our skyskrapers have significantly fewer holes in them than they did under Bush.

I will paypal you $1000 if you can quote where I said it's Obama's fault.
 

blackangst1

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LOL, and did you hear how Obama treated those Somali pirates? Had the Navy dole out water, MREs, and fresh daisies for all before sending them on their way. If only we had a caped Republican crusader to save us! Oh teh noes!

Seriously though, how will Obama react? Probably a standard announcement on the realities of combating terrorism, maybe followed by another appearance of his friends "Hellfire" and "missile."

Offer open to you also. I will paypal you $1000 if you can quote where I blamed Obama.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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Always nice to see a thread start with FAIL, just surprised PrevaricatorJohn wasn't involved. Sorry, accuracy not found.

Obama, a Dem, has prosecuted the war in Afghanistan (current global terrorism capital) more ardently than his Repub predecessor. Even staunch Obama critics on The Hill admit this. Sorry to hear you didn't know, please give my sympathies to your stereotypes.

Are you claiming Dems are typically softer and more forgiving on terror than GOP? Really? And youre claiming Afghanastan is a step in the right direction? Really? Please provide an example of Obama "prosecuting the war in Afghanastan". WTF does that even mean? That he sent troops there?

You did have one right though in your response. FAIL.
 

Blackjack200

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I will paypal you $1000 if you can quote where I said it's Obama's fault.

I will paypal you $1000 if you can quote where I said that you said it's Obama's fault.

Are we done playing snot-nosed school children games yet? Go back to crying about graduated income taxes and single mothers on welfare.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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I will paypal you $1000 if you can quote where I said that you said it's Obama's fault.

Are we done playing snot-nosed school children games yet? Go back to crying about graduated income taxes and single mothers on welfare.

As soon as I saw the OP, I knew this would be Obama's fault.

Need my email?
 

kage69

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Offer open to you also. I will paypal you $1000 if you can quote where I blamed Obama.

Are you really that insecure? I didn't say you blamed anyone. I did however laugh at someone else's choice of words, if that unsettles you, well, tough shit.
 

kage69

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Are you claiming Dems are typically softer and more forgiving on terror than GOP?

No, I'm not. Why are you incredulously attributing your stereotype to me after I just went on record and disagreed with it? Long day at the office? You feelin alright?

And youre claiming Afghanastan is a step in the right direction?

I didn't make that claim. I stated that a Dem president putting much needed greater emphasis on the appropriate warzone doesn't support your stereotype of Dems being soft on terror. What is it with your reading difficulties today?

Please provide an example of Obama "prosecuting the war in Afghanastan".

Ok. From Matt Apuzzo, courtesy of the Salt Lake Tribune:

"Pakistan's cooperation is key to U.S. counterterrorism efforts because much of the best intelligence still comes from Pakistan's intelligence agency. Ensuring that cooperation has been a struggle for years, in part because Pakistan wants greater control over the drone strikes and its own fleet of aircraft, two things the U.S. has not allowed.

"The efforts overseas are bearing fruit," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., a strident critic of Obama's domestic counterterrorism policies who said Obama has at times shown himself even more aggressive than Bush in his use of force overseas. "I give them generally high marks for their efforts to capture and kill terrorists in Pakistan, and they're pushing the envelope in Yemen."

CIA drones, the remote-controlled spy planes that can hunt terrorists from miles overhead, are responsible for many of the deaths. Drone strikes began increasing in the final months of the Bush administration, thanks in part to expanded use of the Reaper, a newer generation aircraft with better targeting systems and greater, more accurate firepower.

Obama has increased their use even further. A month after Mehsud's death, drone strikes in Pakistan killed Najmiddin Jalolov, whose Islamic Jihad Union claimed responsibility for bombings in 2004 at U.S. and Israeli embassies in Uzbekistan. Senior al-Qaida operatives Saleh al-Somali and Abdallah Sa'id were killed in airstrikes in December. And Mehsud's successor at the Pakistani Taliban, Hakimullah Mehsud, died following an attack last month.


Intelligence officials and analysts say the drawdown of troops in an increasingly stable Iraq is part of the reason for the increase in drone strikes. The military once relied on drones for around-the-clock surveillance to flush out insurgents, support troops in battle and help avoid roadside bombs.

With fewer of those missions required, the U.S. has moved many of those planes to Afghanistan, roughly doubling the size of the military and CIA fleet that can patrol the lawless border with Pakistan, officials said.

"These tools were not Obama creations, but he's increased their use and he has shifted the U.S. attention full front to Afghanistan," said Thomas Sanderson, a defense analyst and national security fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The Obama administration has also benefited from stepped-up cooperation with officials in Osama bin Laden's ancestral homeland of Yemen. Authorities there killed 30 suspected militants in airstrikes in December closely coordinated with U.S. intelligence agencies.

Yemen has had a sometimes rocky relationship with the U.S. and was perceived to have an on-again-off-again approach to fighting terrorism, but officials in Washington are cautiously optimistic about a newly strengthened relationship."


Want more? Open up and say "Ah."

WTF does that even mean? That he sent troops there?

What rock have you been under the last few years? Don't recall how we essentially up and left Afghanistan to go play in Iraq? 9/11, Taliban, any of that ring a bell? Obama goes beyond what hawks wanted to do and now the former Bush apologists act all butthurt when their stereotypes are challenged, poor wittle baaaybies!!!

You did have one right though in your response. FAIL.

Says the guy who can't spell, follow a simple line of dialogue, or understand what's been happening in Afghanistan the last year. FAIL indeed.
 

blackangst1

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kage:

for the first few responses, fair enough. If I misunderstood or you took it as projecting, my apologies.

AFA Afghanistan goes...it looks similar to Iraq defenders 5 years ago to me. We can agree to disagree.